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5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

As I've said elsewhere, I strongly believe that BB was bored with the Brady situation and wants a new challenge. He has nothing left to prove and his legacy is fully cemented as the greatest coach ever. I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to run with a new QB type. The bottom line: Belichick is in a different situation than practically any coach in league history. By way of comparison, look at Shula and Tom Landry, who were looking over their shoulders to the end. BB is better than both, and knows that he can do whatever the hell he wants at this point with no risk of losing his job.

 

Good point. And while he doesnt risk losing his job, he does risk tarnishing his legacy or his "aura".

 

And with that, maybe bringing in Newton is the perfect idea, because if it doesnt work out, he knows CAM will take most of the blame on that and BB will keep his reputation. The narrative will be "Cam is broken physically and done" and/or "Cam couldnt conform his personality to the Patriot Way", it wouldnt be "Belichick failed Cam as a coach". So maybe it is the smart move for BB...

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2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I don't dislike Dalton and think he might pleasantly surprise people in a new environment.

 

As for Newton, it really depends on his health. He was having the best season of his career in 2018 before the shoulder injury. I have no idea how much he has healed from that. If he has healed enough to the point where he can make all of the throws, he's still probably going to be a good player.

As I've said elsewhere, I strongly believe that BB was bored with the Brady situation and wants a new challenge. He has nothing left to prove and his legacy is fully cemented as the greatest coach ever. I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to run with a new QB type. The bottom line: Belichick is in a different situation than practically any coach in league history. By way of comparison, look at Shula and Tom Landry, who were looking over their shoulders to the end. BB is better than both, and knows that he can do whatever the hell he wants at this point with no risk of losing his job.

 

Regarding BB, no doubt, likely the best coach of all time. 

 

We know his history prior to TB and with TB. He needs to show what he can do without TB. Bares watching.

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7 hours ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Regarding BB, no doubt, likely the best coach of all time. 

 

We know his history prior to TB and with TB. He needs to show what he can do without TB. Bares watching.


Didn’t Belichick go 11-5 the season Brady was out with knee injury .  His QB was none other than Matt Aka Meh Cassel

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6 minutes ago, prissythecat said:


Didn’t Belichick go 11-5 the season Brady was out with knee injury .  His QB was none other than Matt Aka Meh Cassel

 

Are you suggesting the winning with Cassel was sustainable over subsequent seasons? 

 

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16 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

??? - It'd be nice if people actually looked at data before making these claims. Dalton's best season in terms of AV (average value) was 14, which would have qualified for Newton's 6th best season. He brings so much to the table with his run game and ability to score on running plays, and I feel like some fans simply resent having to factor that into the evaluation of a QB's play (which is funny because of, you know, Josh Allen). Christ, someone in this thread actually said that Carson Palmer had a better 2015 season than Newton. I mean, jeez: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201601240car.htm. The dislike for Newton among some folks on this board cripples their ability to fairly evaluate him.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NewtCa00.htm

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaltAn00.htm 

 

Not at all. Newton is a complete jerk, but a great athlete. Now, that's fair, right? 

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Newtons good... but not for buffalo .

Hopefully not for NE either.... but i could see cam taking a honey pot deal to team up with BB and win SB.

 

Pray not!

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8 hours ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Are you suggesting the winning with Cassel was sustainable over subsequent seasons? 

 


nope I didn’t suggest that . I merely was pointing out that New England didn’t exactly collapse with no Brady. Though I believe KC made the playoffs the following year when they had Cassel.  So probably was not a quite a one off .

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On 3/24/2020 at 10:10 AM, BuffaloBills1998 said:

They can’t afford him plus BB is not dealing with his attitude or ego

100 bucks says they roll with Tyrod since he’s being paid and they roll with a rookie in the draft. Plus newton turned down a trade to the chargers

I say he’s signing with Miami. They reportedly said they want to go into the season with 4 QBS on their roster. Assuming they don’t trade Rosen 


you can do a lot to afford guys without drastic changes in the roster 

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41 minutes ago, NoSaint said:


you can do a lot to afford guys without drastic changes in the roster 

Not true for BBs case. Brady’s departure alone put them over 13.5 million in dead money 

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1 hour ago, prissythecat said:


nope I didn’t suggest that . I merely was pointing out that New England didn’t exactly collapse with no Brady. Though I believe KC made the playoffs the following year when they had Cassel.  So probably was not a quite a one off .

 

The 2008 Patriots had a far more talented roster than the 2020 Pats.

 

Welker, Randy Moss, and a young Ben Watson. Kevin Faulk, Lawrence Maroney, and Sammy Morris at RB.


Defense had Wilfork, Bruschi, Seymor, Mayo, Merriweather, and Vrabel. And even Junior Seau as a backup.

 

The current roster looks nothing like that.

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10 hours ago, prissythecat said:

Didn’t Belichick go 11-5 the season Brady was out with knee injury .  His QB was none other than Matt Aka Meh Cassel

With a roster that went 18-1 the previous season. 

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Not being able to do a physical is going to be tough for him right now.  His shoulder issue in 2018 was still showing up in 2019 before the ankle ended last season prematurely.  If he's sapped of arm strength, and isn't able to run the ball as much - he really isn't the same QB that he was.  

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2 hours ago, prissythecat said:


nope I didn’t suggest that . I merely was pointing out that New England didn’t exactly collapse with no Brady. Though I believe KC made the playoffs the following year when they had Cassel.  So probably was not a quite a one off .

 

Fair point. 👍

 

time will tell 

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5 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Not true for BBs case. Brady’s departure alone put them over 13.5 million in dead money 


meh. If they thought it was securing their qb of the future- to create space I’d say they would be willing to look into restructuring a few guys and giving a qb a deal that’s signing bonus heavy. 
 

it’s a commitment to a few guys to be there a bit but not thaaaaat difficult. Just have to bet on the right people.

4 hours ago, dneveu said:

Not being able to do a physical is going to be tough for him right now.  His shoulder issue in 2018 was still showing up in 2019 before the ankle ended last season prematurely.  If he's sapped of arm strength, and isn't able to run the ball as much - he really isn't the same QB that he was.  


that’s the larger issue here. A short term deal has little flexibility in structure. If they trust him on a 4-5 year option they can do a lot more to flow money how they want. 

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I wouldn't be least bit surprised if Cam has a better year than Teddy next season.

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