Beane and McDermott interviews from Combine

[CookieG]

Did Wawrow really need to add "and I quote", the team "needs to score more points"?

 

That's a bit of an obvious open secret, don't cha think?

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, CookieG said:

Did Wawrow really need to add "and I quote", the team "needs to score more points"?

 

That's a bit of an obvious open secret, don't cha think?

I think he’s just throwing in a little snark 

[Allen2Moulds]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I watched them both live today.  Good interviews.  My biggest takeaway is that I think we are going to look at the right side of the OL or DE in the first round.  Many times it was mentioned just how deep this WR group is.  And Beane said they weigh is that the next guy or two at that position close in ranking where say another position there is a big drop off.  

 

With how many times he kept saying how deep WR is and how much value he put on the EDGE and OL, I think that unless there is some surprise slip of Juedy or Lamb, that they are going to go another direction in the first and look at the 2nd and 3rd rounds for WR help.

 

McD was very adamant that Ford is not locked into guard or tackle.  If there is a RT at 22, I have no doubt they would pull the trigger if he is a guy they covet.  They don't appear to have any hesitation to move Ford to guard if they feel its best for the team to draft another RT at 22 or even in the 2nd.  

 

None of this was much of a surprise of course, I had felt DE was the most likely pick at 22 unless one of the premiere WR prospects slip.  I do think the Drugger is potential guy for us at 22 too.  I did not at first, but after hearing how much time they invested in scouting him and more and more I hear about him, I am starting to think he is a guy that could be in play, maybe even in a trade down scenario picking up an extra 2nd or 3rd depending on how far we actually moved.

I would love for our draft to go like this..DE, WR, OT

[BuffaloBills1998]

2 hours ago, somnus00 said:

 

Ruggs is the guy I want. Aside from his 40 time which will be around 4.3, he just plays at a different speed than everyone else. He's a playmaker. 

 

If not Ruggs, I hope we get Denzel Mims in the 2nd. Great size and jump ball ability. 

 

With Josh Allen's accuracy, we need guys who can make tough catches. Guys who are "open even when they're covered." Ruggs and Mims are those guys. 

Ruggs is my top choice as well, familiarity with Dabboll’s Offensive scheme. Not a receiver you would have to train and teach from the ground up. Hope the bills get him if he falls to us

[SWATeam]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yo!  Scott!  CBF!  NG! Chand! Simon!  We got a volunteer for next TBD moderator RIGHT HERE!

 

From what I understand, @Alphadawg7 is not one for moderation.

[NoSaint]

5 hours ago, Magox said:

This isn’t just an empty answer on Star L. it’s what he and McDermott believe.  They have earned the right by having a top 3 defense to make these judgements despite what some from the peanut gallery have to say.

 

”It gives us a little money to use elsewhere. Unfortunately, he doesn’t get the credit he deserves. I'm probably his biggest defender out there and will continue to be... he eats blockers and helps our run defense. He got some guaranteed money that protected him and he gave us something back in return.”

the more telling thing is the pay cut. He’s fine in his role but not great.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think he’s just throwing in a little snark 

 

Agreed, he was throwing snark, and IMO pretty unworthy.  McDermott is just repeating something he's said in pressers he doesn't assume the league hears.

But if Wawrow truly wants to throw snark, he missed some low hanging fruit in what McDermott said about WR

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Agreed, he was throwing snark, and IMO pretty unworthy.  McDermott is just repeating something he's said in pressers he doesn't assume the league hears.

But if Wawrow truly wants to throw snark, he missed some low hanging fruit in what McDermott said about WR

Nope! 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

41 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Nope! 

 

 

Wawrow doesn't disappoint.   Bloom has worn off McDermott and Beane in reporter's eyes, News at 11.

Next year wait for it: Wawrow sardonically notes that Allen in presser says he needs to play better. 

 

Is Wawrow auditioning for the new Jerry Sullivan podcast or something?  What does he expect them to say?

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

What does Mrs. Beane say ?

 

 

 

 

 

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HEY-OHHHHHHH!

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

They did sign Brown and Beasley, but it was clear during the season that those 2 were limited when teams shaded coverage on Brown.

 

This season will once and for all define whether or not the HC will transition to being focused on building an elite offense.  To do that, yes, they need another solid receiving option.

 

Over the past 20 years I've seen coaches talk about offense, but no one has built one here to compete with the elite teams.  Hopefully that is coming to an end, because leading with defense paired with a pedestrian offense cannot vault a team into the competing for division titles or more.

I agree with what you're saying, and I want to see this happen too.

 

I loved that we signed John Brown & Cole Beasley last season and they were a big help to us.

 

The problem is that Zay Jones could not be counted on & Robert Foster disappeared.

 

What I think the Bills should do is approach the off season with a strong emphasis on improving the offense.

 

Get a veteran WR in free agency and then draft 2 more WR's. Hell, draft 3 WR's. The Bills need all the help they can get.

 

After Brown & Beasley, every other spot should be open competition, and Brown & Beasley aren't getting any younger.

 

I'm not saying we should completely ignore the defense this off season, we do need help at DE and getting another CB would be wise.

 

I do trust Beane, and I think he we will do everything he can to help the Bills get even better than last year. Just have to wait and see.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Seems like Daboll was just put on notice. 

 

I expect Daboll had an interesting end of season interview with McDermott and Beane

I think it was probably more two-sided than one might expect.

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

That would be Bad.

 

 

Yo!  Scott!  CBF!  NG! Chand! Simon!  We got a volunteer for next TBD moderator RIGHT HERE!

 

Hahaha ok, I’m in haha

[Alphadawg7]

6 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

Just leaving this here
 

 

You forgot to add Higgins, Shenault, Mims, Jefferson and a bunch of other WRs they also met with that all also had good things to say about Buffalo

[Reed83HOF]

32 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

You forgot to add Higgins, Shenault, Mims, Jefferson and a bunch of other WRs they also met with that all also had good things to say about Buffalo

Shenault isn't the 6 yard catch and turn it into 50 type of guy; he is more a jack of all trades and master of none. Higgins we have met with a lot if I recall from Astro's list - I just don't like him that much as a player either. Mims is a solid choice and I have been up and down on Jefferson. Just don't see any of these guys being an immediate help for Josh and pick #22 is an overdraft for all of them. It is either a trade up or CB at 22.

 

I'm okay with the non-top 3 if we get a AJ Green type player who can give us some time for the rookie to develop. I'm definitely not saying everyone else will suck, just that it will take time (longer than we want right now) and I really don't want to have to use the 5th year option on Allen for another year to decide.  

 

I really believe if Beane can find a palatable trade he is going to move up and not back. There is a big reason why he said it is imperative that they get the Board right. IIRC, according to Astro, the only 2 FO guys who went to Alabama this year are Beane & Schoen; not even scout visits - that just seems strange (not saying there is anything to it - other than it is F-ing strange.

[Happy]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I expect Daboll had an interesting end of season interview with McDermott and Beane

I think it was probably more two-sided than one might expect.

 

What was Daboll's side of the conversation?  That he didn't have 11 all-pros and therefore couldn't produce a quality offense?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Nope! 

 

 

I listened to the Beane “we need to score more points” and in context, it’s not nearly as trite or “well duh” as Wawrow’s out of context “and I quote” remark made it sound.  He said there’s a lot of stuff that goes into that , we need to protect better, run better, throw better, catch better “and it starts with me” (repeated that several times in different ways “no more blame on anyone than with the guy I see when I look in the mirror”).

 

Similar thing about the “get our board right” comment, he was talking about looking at the value for a 1st round guy how much better is he than a 2nd round guy and when they’re on the clock if there’s a player at another position where there’s a big (talent) gap before the next guy, but a WR who is close in talent they could draft later, they might take the other position - it made a lot of sense in context with the full remarks.

 

I haven’t gone to listen to the McDermott interview yet but I’m gonna go out on a limb here and guess McDermott’s WR remarks might have some similar sensible context around them.

[YoloinOhio]

18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I listened to the Beane “we need to score more points” and in context, it’s not nearly as trite or “well duh” as Wawrow’s out of context “and I quote” remark made it sound.  He said there’s a lot of stuff that goes into that , we need to protect better, run better, throw better, catch better “and it starts with me” (repeated that several times in different ways “no more blame on anyone than with the guy I see when I look in the mirror”).

 

Similar thing about the “get our board right” comment, he was talking about looking at the value for a 1st round guy how much better is he than a 2nd round guy and when they’re on the clock if there’s a player at another position where there’s a big (talent) gap before the next guy, but a WR who is close in talent they could draft later, they might take the other position - it made a lot of sense in context with the full remarks.

 

I haven’t gone to listen to the McDermott interview yet but I’m gonna go out on a limb here and guess McDermott’s WR remarks might have some similar sensible context around them.

McDermott said “they need to be able to catch the football”.  Right to the point. 

[Reed83HOF]

36 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Similar thing about the “get our board right” comment, he was talking about looking at the value for a 1st round guy how much better is he than a 2nd round guy and when they’re on the clock if there’s a player at another position where there’s a big (talent) gap before the next guy, but a WR who is close in talent they could draft later, they might take the other position - it made a lot of sense in context with the full remarks.

 Or the receiver will be better and we will take him is what he says after what you stated....

 

In regards to what you posted, I think this starts to ring true once the top 3 WRs are gone, after them, the next couple groups are relatively close in talent and it will be easier to push the WRs down in RD2 into RD3, especially with RT talent that should start in RD2.

 

Not a comment to you, but just in general:

 

None of this is different than he has said in the past. Need to get the board right and draft the best player on it; if you see a top tier guy drop, especially in a position of need, we will be aggressive in moving up to get him. Everything is very fluid. While i am glad we made the playoffs this year and won as many games as we did, man it would be nice to be sitting around the mid to late teens...

 

Edited February 26, 2020 by Reed83HOF

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 Or the receiver will be better and we will take him is what he says after what you stated....

 

 

 

Not a comment to you, but just in general:

 

None of this is different than he has said in the past. Need to get the board right and draft the best player on it; if you see a top tier guy drop, especially in a position of need, we will be aggressive in moving up to get him.

 

He definitely clearly stated multiple times how deep WR is in draft and also stated that if there are comparable guys available in the next round, he may go with a player at another position where there is a bigger talent gap after that round.

 

Personally, unless Juedy or Lamb slip, I think the pick is more likely to be DE or right side of the OL.  He put a lot of emphasis on DE in the presser too.  Then WR in the second or even a move up to get back to first or higher in second could be in play.

 

Also wouldn’t surprise me if they moved down from 22 a little bit if the the right guys are on the board.  

[Reed83HOF]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

He definitely clearly stated multiple times how deep WR is in draft and also stated that if there are comparable guys available in the next round, he may go with a player at another position where there is a bigger talent gap after that round.

 

Personally, unless Juedy or Lamb slip, I think the pick is more likely to be DE or right side of the OL.  He put a lot of emphasis on DE in the presser too.  Then WR in the second or even a move up to get back to first or higher in second could be in play.

 

Also wouldn’t surprise me if they moved down from 22 a little bit if the the right guys are on the board.  

 

Beane very clearly stated your first comment last year in regards to the TE class and that is why they took Knox, he was the last one available in the  talent range and the drop off after that was huge.

 

In regards to pick #22, and assuming we stay there, it is very likely that DE and RT will not be the positions of value at that pick (RT would be a horrible overdraft based on talent and the actual positional value itself in relation to RD1) - as of now CB is a great position of value at that pick.

 

At #22 if the top 3, I like how you conveniently leave Ruggs out (who is being viewed now as possibly the best WR in the class) - that shows some bias on your part or not fully looking at him as a player, I'm not sure what it is, but you should really spend some time looking at him and also look at alot of the recent commentary coming out regarding him - you seem to have a bias against him.

 

A deep WR draft means that talent can be found throughout x number of rounds, but top end talent is still top end and limited as far as the WRs or any other positions go. The fact is  there are 3 very high ceiling WRs that the depth of the draft does not impact in terms of elite talent; they are a cut above the rest. And we are very light on elite talent at WR adn on offense in general, which is directly tied to not scoring enough points.

 

Anyways, if those top 3 are gone, WR should get pushed down to another RD the difference between Higgins, Shenault, Jefferson, Aiyuk et al and Mims and further down is much closer in talent than those top guys. DE looks better in RD2/RD3 than at 22 as well. Epenesa, does not look like that much better of a pass rusher than Lawson (who was in hindsight overdrafted based on his pass rush ability - players like him can be found later in the draft).

 

I will eat my hat if we trade down from #22 and that would be an awful decision, we need impact players and not trying to fill out a roster. Beane has even said that he would prefer to trade picks to move up (in any round) or for future picks; since those players will likely not push the vets or make the team. We either stay put or move up.

 

RD1 should be used for positions that have a high AAV in contract terms and are highly sought after skill positions (Beane has also said this); frankly RT is not that. DE is most likely to be addressed in FA; there are clear upgrades that will hit FA.

 

With your comments, it comes off as you are pushing talent up the board to fit needs and that is what our past GMs have done and that is how you get into trouble.

[Alphadawg7]

I don’t believe Ruggs is a guy they would trade up for.  I don’t have anything against him, but find it hard to believe they would give up picks to move up and draft another small receiver.  I also don’t think he will last to pick 22.  

So for me, I don’t see us landing Ruggs given I think he goes well before our pick and that he wouldn’t likely be a guy Beane trades up for IMO.  Now if Juedy or Lamb get to say pick 15, then I could see him on the phone.  They are more complete and better compliments to our existing group.
 

Than can take a guy like Reagor potentially in the second vs trading up for Ruggs.  
 

If Ruggs lasts to 22, absolutely he’s in play as a potential pick.  But after he smokes the 40 at the combine, I think he will be off the board by 22.  

 

Honestly, there isn’t a WR projected in first 2 rounds they could take that I wouldn’t be excited for.  I don’t have a bias against any of them.  My comments are about who I think will be on the board at 22 and how they will weigh WR or another position based on the board.  
 

As of today, I expect Lamb, Juedy, and Ruggs is to be gone by 22.  And honestly Ruggs could be first or second WR taken once he lights up the combine and given Chiefs just won the SB and in a copy cat league, getting a Tyreek Hill type guy could be even more tempting this year.

Edited February 26, 2020 by Alphadawg7

[Buffalo Junction]

2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

Shenault isn't the 6 yard catch and turn it into 50 type of guy; he is more a jack of all trades and master of none. Higgins we have met with a lot if I recall from Astro's list - I just don't like him that much as a player either. Mims is a solid choice and I have been up and down on Jefferson. Just don't see any of these guys being an immediate help for Josh and pick #22 is an overdraft for all of them. It is either a trade up or CB at 22.

 

I'm okay with the non-top 3 if we get a AJ Green type player who can give us some time for the rookie to develop. I'm definitely not saying everyone else will suck, just that it will take time (longer than we want right now) and I really don't want to have to use the 5th year option on Allen for another year to decide.  

 

I really believe if Beane can find a palatable trade he is going to move up and not back. There is a big reason why he said it is imperative that they get the Board right. IIRC, according to Astro, the only 2 FO guys who went to Alabama this year are Beane & Schoen; not even scout visits - that just seems strange (not saying there is anything to it - other than it is F-ing strange.

Ruggs, Reagor, Aiyuk, and Bowden are the turn a slant, dig or crosser into a TD guys. I’m still not sure why folks seem to think Shenault is that guy. Granted, it’s pretty easy to picture him slipping a tackle on a deep route and taking off up the sideline. He has RB size and contact balance. 
 

Also.... I’m going to spam about Bowden till the draft since no one is really talking about him. Seems like most forgot about his WR play. 

Edited February 26, 2020 by Buffalo Junction

[YoloinOhio]

Interesting note from the Joe Marino podcast- the Bills were one of only 3 teams who didn’t meet with the national media at the Combine podium yesterday. They only met informally with the local media (as you can see in this thread). Pats and Saints were the other two teams. 

Edited February 26, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Pete]

12 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

I agree with what you're saying, and I want to see this happen too.

 

I loved that we signed John Brown & Cole Beasley last season and they were a big help to us.

 

The problem is that Zay Jones could not be counted on & Robert Foster disappeared.

 

What I think the Bills should do is approach the off season with a strong emphasis on improving the offense.

 

Get a veteran WR in free agency and then draft 2 more WR's. Hell, draft 3 WR's. The Bills need all the help they can get.

 

After Brown & Beasley, every other spot should be open competition, and Brown & Beasley aren't getting any younger.

 

I'm not saying we should completely ignore the defense this off season, we do need help at DE and getting another CB would be wise.

 

I do trust Beane, and I think he we will do everything he can to help the Bills get even better than last year. Just have to wait and see.

I would like to see the Bills prioritizing skill positions, adding 2-3  quality WR, 1 TE, 1 RB between draft and FA- along with edge, cb, online.  This is the draft to add a trio of solid WR and get our offense up to 2020

[CorkScrewHill]

One thing I found interesting is that if Josh had not been available neither Rosen nor Lamar would have been the choice at number 12. With Lamar they may have felt that he could be had later in the first, but the not taking a QB first would have been a big surprise.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

21 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Nope! 

 

 

OK, again....the remark in context sounded a lot less dumb:

Bills head coach Sean McDermott went back to the basics when talking about what he wants out of any receiver added to the Bills roster this offseason.

"Let's start with a guy that can catch the football," McDermott explained. "That's something I think people look past sometimes, right? Speed. People get enamored with speed and the things that stand out, or will be talked about here in a couple days when these young men run the 40. That's great, but at the end of the day you have to be able to play the position and one of the key elements for playing the wide receiver position is being able to catch the football on a consistent basis. It's that trust with the quarterback that develops because of that and being able to catch the football, that's important."

 

It seems pretty clear what he's saying in a kind of brusque way is that we're not going to get too caught up on great numbers in the Pajama Olympics vs. what's been seen on tape in a WR's fundamental ability to catch the ball.

 

 

[K-9]

There was nothing “dumb” about McD’s comment, regardless. 
 

Can anyone here say our receivers were “consistent” in catching the ball as a group last year? More than anything, consistent means catching the damned ball at critical junctures in games. We were lacking in that area to say the least.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

McDermott said “they need to be able to catch the football”.  Right to the point. 

 

 

...gonna spend some time researching tonight to see if this is a league wide consensus vs McD being "cutting edge"..............

[3rdand12]

On 2/25/2020 at 11:48 AM, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

Big offseason for this team. We need to nail it. 

isn't it always : )

[3rdand12]

On 2/25/2020 at 3:32 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

Yup, probably the same amount of heads that exploded when we took the “wrong Josh”.  
 

Haha ? I kinda want it to happen so I can grab some popcorn and laugh at the meltdown of TSW.

 

At this point, Beane and McD have earned my trust.  I’m quite pleased with how they have rebuilt this roster in 3 years.  Anyone freaking out over one of their picks needs to take a step back and realize these guys know a heck of a lot more than any of us and bet their future on these draft picks.  If they feel so strongly about a division 2 safety at 22 that they need to pick him or trade down and pick him, then I trust they know what they are doing.  

well , it is not how strongly Bills feel alone. It might be how Other Teams feel about him when it comes to when pursue the Kid.
 it is surely an interesting sensation for us Bills fans. Young and Old. 

 To finally have some sense of faith and Trust, we have a couple focks who know what the are doing.  Gee whiz it really is good fun after all !
Go Bills

[3rdand12]

23 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I expect Daboll had an interesting end of season interview with McDermott and Beane

I think it was probably more two-sided than one might expect.

Would wager those 3 have great dialogue actually. 

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...gonna spend some time researching tonight to see if this is a league wide consensus vs McD being "cutting edge"..............

deep dive my friend !

 awaiting your full and extensive report.
 

 My concern is that McD is truly old school in young school shoes.
 :  D


 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[TigerJ]

Lots of interviews with WRs and RBs reveal that Beane and McDermott have similar thoughts about draft strategy to most Bills fans.  Have there been any with offensive linemen and edge rushers?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Parrino article trying to unpack and decode McDermott and Beane's pressers:

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2020/02/nfl-combine-2020-deciphering-7-brandon-beane-sean-mcdermott-comments-for-offseason-clues.html

 

[Don Otreply]

A good take by MP, I would not be surprised if they did what he mentioned sticking with Singletary, Yeldon, and Wade, of course this would presume that Wade is up to the task at hand. Doing so would make it easier to sign FAs or draft an additional WR etc, one less need. I do like that they absolutely prioritize the O & D lines, get those right and you have a fighting chance every game. 
 

BB & SM do the coach and GM speak thing well, never committing to anything publicly ?
 

Go Bills!!!

[Reed83HOF]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Parrino article trying to unpack and decode McDermott and Beane's pressers:

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2020/02/nfl-combine-2020-deciphering-7-brandon-beane-sean-mcdermott-comments-for-offseason-clues.html

 

McD is full of coach speak and he has to say the right thing about his players at all time being the leader of them all. It is hard to use much of what he says as far as insight, Beane on the other hand is absolutely as transparent as he can be without divulging his board and rankings or otherwise tipping his hand. You can also easily match up what he says with his past behavior as well which allows us a certain degree of predictability 

Edited February 27, 2020 by Reed83HOF

[YoloinOhio]

Awe, Duke ?