That's No Moon Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: Princess diva That's Hungarian for "wide receiver" 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafi$ Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share Posted February 19, 2020 Vikings would have to eat 9 million if they did trade him. Hard to really see them trading him but seems like he really does not want to be in Minny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, H2o said: Diggs is young, productive, and on a VERY reasonable contract for the next 4 years. We would be fools to not be all over this. I agree, he'd immediately be our #1 wr and we could still draft a wr either first or 3rd. Only 26 and the contract is not overwhelmingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just now, LABILLBACKER said: I agree, he'd immediately be our #1 wr and we could still draft a wr either first or 3rd. Only 26 and the contract is not overwhelmingly. There is no way you don't pull the trigger on this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, aristocrat said: just makes sense. and he'd be a smurf He's 6' tall so less "smurf-y" than the rest. But the man has a freakin' 36" vertical leap IN GAME TIME, with pads and a helmet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) Just to inject a little logic here. He's angry with the Vikings because they are now a run heavy offense and they don't throw him the ball enough. How exactly would coming here solve that problem for him? Edited February 19, 2020 by That's No Moon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Salary cap hell this year already $12M over yeah. I get that, and that could definitely be the issue. But I think there’s more to it and I’m always hesitant when the cap is used as a reason for otherwise illogical personnel moves. Not that it doesn’t happen, but teams usually have a lot of options to get out of SC hell without selling talent for pennies on the dollar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: I don’t understand why the Vikings are always trying to get rid of him. What’s the deal? They need cap space and it’s the best WR class in years to replace him cheap. I don’t think he’s a huge fan of Cousins either so maybe a change Of scenery would be good for him Edited February 19, 2020 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said: Vikings would have to eat 9 million if they did trade him. Hard to really see them trading him but seems like he really does not want to be in Minny I agree hard to see a trade, and even harder to see it for a 2nd. I would think they'd want the bidding to start at a 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: He's 6' tall so less "smurf-y" than the rest. But the man has a freakin' 36" vertical leap IN GAME TIME, with pads and a helmet. 5'9" is a smurf. 5'11" plus with vertical and ability to fight for the ball. 2 inches for a wr around this range is not going to matter that much Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I agree hard to see a trade, and even harder to see it for a 2nd. I would think they'd want the bidding to start at a 1st. Like yolo said hard to ask for a lot in a deep class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just now, That's No Moon said: Just to inject a little logic here. He's angry worth the Vikings because they are now a run heavy offense and they don't throw him the ball enough. How exactly would coming here solve that problem for him? You’re right, I’m sure Josh wouldn’t utilize someone like Diggs. Decoy SZN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just now, whatdrought said: I don’t hate the idea, but there’s a lot of red flags. - why is a team wanting to give up its best weapon? - what differentiates him from other diva receivers we’ve seen moved lately? (Moves that at the time seemed like no-brainers for the buyers, but turned out to be huge wins for the sellers) - is he going to want more money? If so, how much? - is it better to trade commodities and pay him as opposed to getting someone in this loaded draft class? Cook is pry their best weapon but salary cap reasons come into play. He doesn't punch nets or call GM's crackers. He's making around 14.4 million a year so that puts him just outside the top 10 in terms of average annual salary. We have the cap space to maybe sweeten the contract a little. I'd rather go with a proven commodity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just now, SCBills said: You’re right, I’m sure Josh wouldn’t utilize someone like Diggs. Decoy SZN Josh doesn't call the plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just now, That's No Moon said: Josh doesn't call the plays. Brown and Beasley put up some of their best numbers of their career. That’s with Josh spending 90% of the season unable to calibrate his deep ball. I’m not too worried about Diggs getting targets in our offense. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just saw him at Duffs on Sheridan, not gonna lie 8 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Really talented player. I think he wants his contract re-done, so we would have to give him new guaranteed money like when we got Shady. We are getting close enough to really contending that it may be worth it if it’s just a 2nd round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Just saw him at Duffs on Sheridan, not gonna lie Seifert: table for 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: Just to inject a little logic here. He's angry with the Vikings because they are now a run heavy offense and they don't throw him the ball enough. How exactly would coming here solve that problem for him? He wound up being unhappy to the tune of 94 targets and 1130 yds. I think there's stuff that's overblown. I don't think the trade gets made, personally. They lose Diggs, who was their #1 WR this past year and close #2 the year before. They eat $9M in cap and only save $5.5M. No point. But if it were true? Go for it in a heartbeat unless they're something we don't know that precludes (like they think he couldn't master Daboll's offense or something) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I know that Beane values draft picks, but I don't know how you pass this up for a 2nd rounder if he can get it done. As another wise poster noted above, there is a learning curve for the WR position for most coming out of college and I don't think it's a pie in the sky statement to to say that the Bills are entering a window where they can compete for a Championship with Allen still on his rookie contract. To bring in a polished elite WR right now with no learning curve would be huge for this roster. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said: Vikings would have to eat 9 million if they did trade him. Hard to really see them trading him but seems like he really does not want to be in Minny Minny is going to need to do something. $12 M over the cap right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Does the whole athlete deletes everything from social media ever turn into anything ? I don’t social media 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Bingo. Or better yet “why take on that contract when we can draft a cheaper option?” I know!! Next thing people will start saying you should look both ways before you cross the street! Or that you have to look at all the consequences of major actions!! It's crazy the things people will say. As far as Diggs specifically, I'd consider it. I'd have to know a lot more. If he's angry with them for only getting him 1190 yards last year he might not be a good fit here. Edited February 19, 2020 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 50 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said: What would you give up for him? I’d give out 2nd in a heart beat Meh, I'd trade for Thielen instead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Watkins redux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I don’t hate the idea, but there’s a lot of red flags. - why is a team wanting to give up its best weapon? - what differentiates him from other diva receivers we’ve seen moved lately? (Moves that at the time seemed like no-brainers for the buyers, but turned out to be huge wins for the sellers) - is he going to want more money? If so, how much? - is it better to trade commodities and pay him as opposed to getting someone in this loaded draft class? Because they aren't, Thielen is then Cook 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Cook is pry their best weapon but salary cap reasons come into play. 10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: He doesn't punch nets or call GM's crackers. i'm a little confused here - are you saying Diggs does not do those things? I agree, he does not. The Vikes did a fluff locker room piece where a bunch of players said he was the guy they least wanted to date their sister. Josh Allen's older sister is married. The younger I think is a rising college sophomore. No factor. Memo to everyone else: Keep your sisters away from Diggs. Problem solved. 10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: He's making around 14.4 million a year so that puts him just outside the top 10 in terms of average annual salary. He's got a cap hit of $14.5M, but the receiving team would only get his annual salary and bonuses of around $11.5-$12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafi$ Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share Posted February 19, 2020 seems like he’d be a player that wouldn’t want to come to buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Because they aren't, Thielen is then Cook Diggs was much better than Thielen last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: I know that Beane values draft picks, but I don't know how you pass this up for a 2nd rounder if he can get it done. As another wise poster noted above, there is a learning curve for the WR position for most coming out of college and I don't think it's a pie in the sky statement to to say that the Bills are entering a window where they can compete for a Championship with Allen still on his rookie contract. To bring in a polished elite WR right now with no learning curve would be huge for this roster. So very true. We don't have the time or luxury to wait 2-3 years for a young wr to develop. We have to strike now over these next 3-4 years before big contracts come up. Trade for Diggs, sign Hunter Henry to compliment Knox and draft Tee Higgins or Reagor to learn. Our offense would explode. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said: seems like he’d be a player that wouldn’t want to come to buffalo That's why teams trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He wound up being unhappy to the tune of 94 targets and 1130 yds. Exactly. Just for comparison Allen Robinson had 158. Tyler Boyd had 148, DJ Moore had 135, etc. Hell, John Brown had 115. Let's assume for a moment that Diggs sees himself as minimally a 140 target WR. Where are those targets coming from in this offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Diggs was much better than Thielen last year. I'm not sure that's true. Teams took Thielen away and Diggs got opportunities, would have some truth to it. But Diggs did go hard IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Diggs was much better than Thielen last year. Thielen was injured for half the season, probably more 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm not sure that's true. Teams took Thielen away and Diggs got opportunities, would have some truth to it. But Diggs did go hard IMO. I mean, Diggs had nearly 3x the yardage of Theilan. At some point teams stop “taking away” the guy who isn’t producing and cover the guy is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Diggs was much better than Thielen last year. Theilen was hurt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Thielen was injured for half the season, probably more yeah, and that’s no fault of his. But Diggs is the better athlete, and I think most people would take Diggs over Theilen straight up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 This has Patriots written all over it. Not sure Josh is ready to handle a diva receiver at this point in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, whatdrought said: yeah, and that’s no fault of his. But Diggs is the better athlete, and I think most people would take Diggs over Theilen straight up. Yup. He’s progressively gotten better every year. He averaged a ridiculous 12.0 yards per target in 2019, which makes him a great fit for a QB that was top-5 in air yards per attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, whatdrought said: yeah, and that’s no fault of his. But Diggs is the better athlete, and I think most people would take Diggs over Theilen straight up. His age is the biggest plus for Diggs...also his speed, other than that he doesn't do anything better than Thielen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I mean, Diggs had nearly 3x the yardage of Theilan. At some point teams stop “taking away” the guy who isn’t producing and cover the guy is. Theilen was hurt early in Game 7 and didn't come back to full snaps until game 15. Before he was hurt, Theilen was pulling in 61 ypg. That's less than Diggs ended up with (75) but it's not 3x less. Diggs did have a pahty in some of those Theilan-lessgames, but in others he got shut down. When they were both there, it was kind of "pick your poison" for other teams. Don't mistake me I like Diggs. If they want to trade him, we should be "IN". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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