The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Tiberius]

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COVID-19 could lead to more than 80,000 deaths in the US and overwhelm hospital capacity nationally as soon as early April even if social distancing measures are respected, new research showed Thursday.

The US death toll for the pandemic has already soared past 1,000, with 68,000 confirmed infections.

Forecasters at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington's School of Medicine analysed the latest COVID-19 data at a local, national and international level.

These include hospitalisation and mortality rates, as well as patient date in terms of age, gender and pre-existing health problems.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/us-virus-deaths-may-top-80-000-despite-161924116.html

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Reading comprehension is difficult when you lack a fully functioning frontal lobe, I know. I pray you get the neurological assistance you clearly need. 

Says the sheep who gets all his ideas from right wing twitter trash 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Israeli Company Is Donating Potential Coronavirus Treatment to Hospitals Across US

An Israeli pharmaceutical company is donating to US hospitals more than 6 million doses of hydroxychloroquine, a malaria drug touted by President Donald Trump and others as a potential new treatment for COVID-19 patients.
 

Teva, a pharmaceutical giant in Israel, has announced it will begin donating millions of hydroxychloroquine sulfate tablets to hospitals across the US starting March 31.
 

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[Rob's House]

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You miss the point. 

 

The media ran with his initial predictions. They're not running with his retraction. An honest person (which you've proven you're not) would ask why.

 

Why ask why?

 

Trust Dems' lies.

[GG]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

 

These types of headlines are incendiary because they blare large numbers without providing the true context that the rate of infections is slowing!

[Prickly Pete]

I wanna see Bill Maher tell everyone how an economic crash would be "worth it", now.

[billsfan1959]

20 minutes ago, TPS said:

As I posted yesterday, I jumped in with a bit more an d"bought dip" on Tuesday, but I'm really not confident that was the bottom.  Investors are happy about the passage of a bill, but I believe the news is going to be overwhelming for the next 2-3 weeks, leading to the next big move down.  Just my 2 cents...

 

4 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

That's where I am. It's killing me to sit on the sidelines, but I just can't imagine we don't see another drop.

 

I kind of feel the same. I was fortunate in that I moved all of our retirement out of the market when it was still around 27,000. I never did that before. When China started shutting down and the market started dropping, I felt like people might be looking for a reason to sell off. I told my wife I thought it would be best to just keep our money safe untill things stabilized. I didn't think it would drop as much as it did.

 

I thought about moving it back in when it dropped to about 18,000; however, I just don't feel like we are close to any kind of stability yet. We have literally seen record one day drops and one day climbs and everything in between. I just don't feel the volatility is over. Particularly when we have no idea what the peak of this virus in the US is going to look like, no certainties as to when the workforce might be up and running again, and what kind of long-term economic damage we might sustain.

 

I hope things stabilize on all fronts in the not too distant future.

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

Why ask why?

 

Trust Dems' lies.

Aren't the racists the liars? That's all they really do. 

[Doc Brown]

7 hours ago, Magox said:

So there are two arguments here, well actually three if you want to accept the progressive pols one.

 

The progressive argument is just provide as much money as possible despite the warped disincentives to work.

 

The conservative argument is that this does provide a disincentive to work so it’s counterintuitive, from their standpoint.

 

Trumps and Mnuchin’s argument which I think is the most rational one is that even though it may provide a disincentive for some to not work, they think that it will be a minimal effect, it gets more money into the economy but more so than anything is that if they did it the way the conservative group wanted to that opposed it that it would slow the mechanism in getting the money into these affected people’s hands.   In other words there was no way to filter out that “error” without slowing down the payments.

 

Im fine with it.

That's how I saw it and why that motion by Sasse was just grandstanding.  If it was more than four months I would agree with that sentiment but a black swan even calls for an overly aggressive measures to keep this economy somewhat functional.

Edited March 26, 2020 by Doc Brown

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Fusion/CIA Ken gets his talking points jumbled again. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

16 minutes ago, GG said:

 

These types of headlines are incendiary because they blare large numbers without providing the true context that the rate of infections is slowing!

 

With what you say. Like Italy. Goes up than down than up and down. Noone really knows if slowing. Hard to put that into context when it freaking changes daily.  Just posting how many are infected as of right now. 

[RochesterRob]

12 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

 

I kind of feel the same. I was fortunate in that I moved all of our retirement out of the market when it was still around 27,000. I never did that before. When China started shutting down and the market started dropping, I felt like people might be looking for a reason to sell off. I told my wife I thought it would be best to just keep our money safe untill things stabilized. I didn't think it would drop as much as it did.

 

I thought about moving it back in when it dropped to about 18,000; however, I just don't feel like we are close to any kind of stability yet. We have literally seen record one day drops and one day climbs and everything in between. I just don't feel the volatility is over. Particularly when we have no idea what the peak of this virus in the US is going to look like, no certainties as to when the workforce might be up and running again, and what kind of long-term economic damage we might sustain.

 

I hope things stabilize on all fronts in the not too distant future.

  I'm not talking a verbatim parallel to the Great Depression but look at the charts from back then for the DOW and commodities.  The markets had good periods from 1929-1932 but the long term trend was down.  Don't let one good week of market activity convince you that our problems are behind us.  I was out in a couple communities on business earlier today and the downtown activity judging from open parking spaces is about 20 percent of normal.  Does it mean a complete collapse?  Of course not but it tells me business is off for more than bars and restaurants.  The McDonalds I passed did have the window open for drive up traffic.  Must be the other McD's I previously mentioned had something else going on like a complete decontamination going on.  

[Kevbeau]

42 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

That's where I am. It's killing me to sit on the sidelines, but I just can't imagine we don't see another drop.

Same with me. I figured the employment numbers would have been enough to keep the downward trend going

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

 

[Prickly Pete]

33 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Fusion/CIA Ken gets his talking points jumbled again. 

 

 

Yes, the rest of the world is looking to China for leadership and vision.

 

Ken Dilanian -"based in DC. Former AP, LA Times, USA TODAY, Philly Inquirer. Williams College".....know the enemy.

 

 

 

Edited March 26, 2020 by 32ABBA

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

I understand these are tense times so it's easy to see red, which often makes us blind to what's beyond the tip of our nose in front of our face.

 

So for that reason I find the hypocrisy understandable and easily forgivable and forgotten.

 

 

Stay safe and healthy and keep helping those around you who need it.

[TPS]

54 minutes ago, GG said:

 

These types of headlines are incendiary because they blare large numbers without providing the true context that the rate of infections is slowing!

What data are you looking at to conclude this?

According to the Worldometer site, it’s accelerating in the US. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Just now, TPS said:

What data are you looking at to conclude this?

According to the Worldometer site, it’s accelerating in the US. 

Right it's going up.

In Italy couple days ago.  Plus it's hard to say one down tiny one day,  back up and worse numbers...  No even data proof at all in it.  For cases and deaths to be down need consistent proof. Not one day or hell 2 days.  Consistent proof what the rationale,  and logic with this.

[B-Man]

 

 

Update:

 

I guess we are almost in it now.

 

My sister just told me (and she is in a position to know) that almost all of Buffalo's hospital beds are full, and they are being told that "if they don't need 02 (oxygen) to make arrangements for them at home.

 

Stay safe everyone.

 

 

 

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Edited March 26, 2020 by B-Man

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Just now, B-Man said:

 

 

Update:

 

I guess we are almost in it now.

 

My sister just told me (and she is in a position to know) that almost all of Buffalo's hospital beds are full, and they are being told that "if they don't need 02 (oxygen) to make home arrangements for them at home.

 

Stay safe everyone.

 

 

 

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Keep safe man to you both. You're a good guy B-Man

 

[jrober38]

By the end of the day the US will have the most COVID-19 cases in the world.

 

However the rate of which new cases is doubling seems to have slowed down slightly which is positive. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, jrober38 said:

By the end of the day the US will have the most COVID-19 cases in the world.

 

However the rate of which new cases is doubling seems to have slowed down slightly which is positive. 

34.2% on 3/23, 33.4% on 3/24, 32.6% on 3/25. Slight progress, but progress. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

34.2% on 3/23, 33.4% on 3/24, 32.6% on 3/25. Slight progress, but progress. 

 

Still those are bad numbers  

[GG]

13 minutes ago, TPS said:

What data are you looking at to conclude this?

According to the Worldometer site, it’s accelerating in the US. 

 

You must be using a different definition of accelerating, because the increase in US daily cases has declined from the 40% range to under 20%.  That's the number that the "experts" focused on when they were screaming about the pandemic spread and throwing out doomsday scenarios.  There may be a slight uptick in US growth due to spikes In LA, and MA, but that also means that NY growth is slowing big time.

 

In any event focusing on cases misses the bigger picture of the severity of the infections, which is far more important, and is also getting better in NY.

 

But fear mongering works far better, doesn't it?

 

[KD in CA]

Here's an interesting article from today's WSJ.  Some very big and well known employers operate with relatively little cash (and way too much debt) to sustain operations in a period of significant revenue loss.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-puts-a-premium-on-cash-even-for-biggest-u-s-companies-11585153040?mod=itp_wsj&mod=&mod=djemITP_h

[billsfan1959]

9 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

By the end of the day the US will have the most COVID-19 cases in the world.

 

However the rate of which new cases is doubling seems to have slowed down slightly which is positive. 

The death rate is my concern. Would like to see the death rate get below 1% or at worst, stay below 1.5%

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, GG said:

 

These types of headlines are incendiary because they blare large numbers without providing the true context that the rate of infections is slowing!

 

Just wait until our numbers surpass Italy.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, GG said:

 

You must be using a different definition of accelerating, because the increase in US daily cases has declined from the 40% range to under 20%.  That's the number that the "experts" focused on when they were screaming about the pandemic spread and throwing out doomsday scenarios.  There may be a slight uptick in US growth due to spikes In LA, and MA, but that also means that NY growth is slowing big time.

 

In any event focusing on cases misses the bigger picture of the severity of the infections, which is far more important, and is also getting better in NY.

 

But fear mongering works far better, doesn't it?

 

 

Right good like others said decreasing witch is good. But damn still so damn high cases. I think def or way higher than Italy in a day still for cases. Too much high number for lots of people liking. 

1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Just wait until our numbers surpass Italy.

 

For cases maybe. 

[GG]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Right good like others said decreasing witch is good. But damn still so damn high cases. I think def or way higher than Italy in a day still for cases. Too much high number for lots of people liking. 

 

For cases maybe. 

 

Again, Italy appears to be a huge outlier relative to everywhere else, and really shouldn't be used as the sample.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Just now, GG said:

 

Again, Italy appears to be a huge outlier relative to everywhere else, and really shouldn't be used as the sample.

 

Right understand.

[billsfan1959]

4 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Just wait until our numbers surpass Italy.

Right. I’m sure very few headlines will bother to mention we have about 270 million more people than Italy....

[IDBillzFan]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

For cases maybe. 

 

Yes, for cases.  They'll rerun that stupid scrolling video of individual cases by country, where you ultimately see the US jump up to #2 or #3, and the usual leftist nutsuckers will start using  even more exclamation points and emojis on social media platforms to show how horrifying it is that a country with 300M surpassed a country with 60M.

 

 

3 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Again, Italy appears to be a huge outlier relative to everywhere else, and really shouldn't be used as the sample.

 

It shouldn't be.

 

But, you know...

[meazza]

Right now I’m under the impression that Italy isn’t testing anyone that isn’t showing severe symptoms.

 

That being said, though this virus is not as deadly as in Italy, it seems to highly contagious which is scary. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Just now, IDBillzFan said:

 

Yes, for cases.  They'll rerun that stupid scrolling video of individual cases by country, where you ultimately see the US jump up to #2 or #3, and the usual leftist nutsuckers will start using  even more exclamation points and emojis on social media platforms to show how horrifying it is that a country with 300M surpassed a country with 60M.

 

 

 

Ya get what you mean man. Ya I try my best to work with others. But I think you're right. Along with GG try to work with him understand other people points to learn from.

[Nanker]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Israeli Company Is Donating Potential Coronavirus Treatment to Hospitals Across US

An Israeli pharmaceutical company is donating to US hospitals more than 6 million doses of hydroxychloroquine, a malaria drug touted by President Donald Trump and others as a potential new treatment for COVID-19 patients.
 

Teva, a pharmaceutical giant in Israel, has announced it will begin donating millions of hydroxychloroquine sulfate tablets to hospitals across the US starting March 31.
 

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Media: “Trump to tell Israel company to stop the shipment of hydroxychloroquine sulfate. Asked them to send the hydroxychloroquine phosphate version instead.”

Edited March 26, 2020 by Nanker

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

49 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Yes, for cases.  They'll rerun that stupid scrolling video of individual cases by country, where you ultimately see the US jump up to #2 or #3, and the usual leftist nutsuckers will start using  even more exclamation points and emojis on social media platforms to show how horrifying it is that a country with 300M surpassed a country with 60M.

 

 

 

It shouldn't be.

 

But, you know...

 

Ya the biggest problem thinking USA. Those are in hospital, ICU. The police, nurses among others sick at home quarantine. Among fireman.  Drugs many other stuff. Many people.  Biggest concerned for USA right now.

Ya IDBillzFan Usa just pass cases Italy. Might hear it on facebook now soon China. Just letting you prepared ahead of time lol.

Edited March 26, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[3rdnlng]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

She did a lot better job with me than your mother did with you.  

You shouldn't talk about your grandmother that way.

[jrober38]

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

The death rate is my concern. Would like to see the death rate get below 1% or at worst, stay below 1.5%

 

It will likely go higher as NYC hospitals become overwhelmed.

 

I heard Cuomo say that on average patients spend 5 to 11 days hooked up to a ventilator.

 

The major concern is that when hospitals run out of ventilators (as they did in Italy), new patients who turn critical will be left to die because the only way to survive at that point is to be hooked up to one. 

 

This is the whole reason people have been asked to socially distance themselves so that everyone doesn't get sick at the same time and completely incapacitate the healthcare system. 

1 hour ago, meazza said:

Right now I’m under the impression that Italy isn’t testing anyone that isn’t showing severe symptoms.

 

That being said, though this virus is not as deadly as in Italy, it seems to highly contagious which is scary. 

 

Italy's hospitals got over run.

 

So far that hasn't happened in the US, but it likely will in certain spots within the next week or so. 

 

The number of infected people is still doubling about every 3 days. 

 

A few days ago I said there'd be 16,000 cases today simply based off the math (up from 8,000). As things stand that looks pretty likely given the stats out so far today. 

 

The main question is in 3 days will there be 32,000 new cases? If so there's absolutely no chance Trump can try to reopen the country at Easter. 

Edited March 26, 2020 by jrober38

[IDBillzFan]

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

7 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Yup. I would not believe anything coming out of China. Not cases numbers, deaths, recovery, protocols... nuthin’.

 

 

[Nanker]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Yup. I would not believe anything coming out of China. Not cases numbers, deaths, recovery, protocols... nuthin’.

 

 

That does it. I’m making my own xiang long bao from now on... from scratch.