The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Warren Zevon]

11 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

 

You both have gone on about Trump disbanding the pandemic response team or making it ineffective in some way. There are pandemic experts and teams around the world. I have asked you before and you haven't provided an answer, so I will ask again:

 

1. Tell us which contries in the world, with these experts and teams, have been successful in stopping or curtailing this virus or decreasing the death rate.

 

2. Show us how the lack of the pandemic response team here has affected the rate of the spread of infection in the US or the death rate in the US is in comparison to these countries

 

I'll wait.

 

South Korea seems to be the most successful. We won't know the answer to #2 for quite sometime - or maybe by Easter if Trump's wish comes true.

 

Edit: Seems like Germany is doing a good job as well. 

Edited March 26, 2020 by Gary Busey

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, GG said:

 

It's not people.  It's the anti-Trump faction in the news that are deliberately twisting his words.  Look at his words and match them up to the headlines.  In fact, there was the first source for the headline that Trump wants to open up the country by Easter, and all other news outlets simply repeated it.

And why the news outlets so desperately want the pressers to end. They are being exposed as idjits, and people can watch in real-time what President Trump is actually saying.    I wish I could say that is stopping the headline-narratives; it is not. It is just exposing them as narratives to more people. And the "msm" does not like that. At all.

 

[B-Man]

 

 

COLLUSION: Did WHO director ‘help’ China downplay coronavirus? This professor says yes.

 

 

 

 

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[Tiberius]

Florida and Mississippi's governors are just like, whatever. Let it flow! Those states will be test cases for how and if the stay at home orders are working or not in other states. 

 

All those elderly people in those states are so vulnerable. 

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Come on Tibs, calm down and you'll see things in a much more realistic way 

No, Trump only cares about his reelection and just wants the poor workers to go out there, like canaries in the coal mines. 

[billsfan1959]

19 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

That "storm of criticism" should be easy to post, especially since it was on social media. The only thing I have seen is a fake Schumer tweet posted dozens of times. Biden is a moron but he did not call the travel ban xenophobic. I haven't seen what Sanders said. Please let me know.

 

Bernie Sanders says he wouldn't close borders as part of coronavirus response

 

Sanders: “But let’s not go back to the same old thing,” said Mr. Sanders, a top contender for the Democratic presidential nomination. “Isn’t it interesting that a president who has been demagoguing and demonizing immigrants, the first thing that he could think about is closing down the border?”

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/10/bernie-sanders-says-he-wouldnt-close-borders-part-/

Criticisms of Trump’s coronavirus response are sickening

 

Biden: “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia — hysterical xenophobia — and fearmongering,” said Biden the day after the travel restrictions were imposed.

 

https://nypost.com/2020/03/01/criticisms-of-trumps-coronavirus-response-are-sickening-devine/

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/nevada-governor-bans-malaria-drugs-for-coronavirus-patients/

 

Nevada’s governor on Tuesday banned the use of anti-malaria drugs chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine to treat coronavirus patients.

Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak’s executive order came after President Trump touted the medication as holding promise for combating the illness.

Sisolak said there was no consensus among experts or Nevada doctors that the drugs can treat people with COVID-19.

His order also limits a prescription of the medicines — which are also used to treat illnesses like lupus and arthritis — to a 30-day supply to ensure it’s available for “legitimate medical purposes” and so people don’t stockpile the drug.

 

This guy sick.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

WRONGFUL DEATH LAWSUITS. LOTS OF WRONGFUL DEATH LAWSUITS:  

 

Governor of Nevada bans use of chloroquine.

 

 

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Fauci Would Prescribe Chloroquine to Patient Suffering From ...

townhall.com › columnists › larryoconnor › 2020/03/25 › fauci-woul...

 

1 day ago - In the past 24 hours, Dr. Anthony Fauci has said there is no ... we learn that he would prescribe hydroxychloroquine to a patient if he were treating ... "Yeah, of course, particularly if people have no other option," Fauci said.

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Bernie Sanders says he wouldn't close borders as part of coronavirus response

 

Sanders: “But let’s not go back to the same old thing,” said Mr. Sanders, a top contender for the Democratic presidential nomination. “Isn’t it interesting that a president who has been demagoguing and demonizing immigrants, the first thing that he could think about is closing down the border?”

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/10/bernie-sanders-says-he-wouldnt-close-borders-part-/

Criticisms of Trump’s coronavirus response are sickening

 

Biden: “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia — hysterical xenophobia — and fearmongering,” said Biden the day after the travel restrictions were imposed.

 

https://nypost.com/2020/03/01/criticisms-of-trumps-coronavirus-response-are-sickening-devine/

 

Bernie Sanders doesn't care about American people only whats in his pockets. Like Nancy Pelosi. 

[PetermansRedemption]

19 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

South Korea seems to be the most successful. We won't know the answer to #2 for quite sometime - or maybe by Easter if Trump's wish comes true.

 

Edit: Seems like Germany is doing a good job as well. 

You should have stopped at South Korea. You just unwillingly helped his argument by citing Germany. Germany has 82 million people, roughly one quarter of the US’ 327 million. Yet Germany has 39,502 cases. If you extrapolate that data to the US’ population figures the US would have nearly 160,000 cases. Therefore, by your own definition of doing a good job, the US is doing a phenomenal job. Because we currently only have 69,197 cases. For deaths, they are about identical figures as well. Germany has 206 deaths. Again, for a country one quarter the size of the US. If you apply that 4x multiplier they would be at 824 deaths. The US currently stands at 869. South Korea is a good example. But I doubt it’s because of their pandemic response team. I’m not versed in how many countries have them, but ask Italy, Spain, France, the UK, etc how well their pandemic response teams are helping. 
 

Source: Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Tracker

Edited March 26, 2020 by PetermansRedemption

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

Bernie Sanders says he wouldn't close borders as part of coronavirus response

 

Sanders: “But let’s not go back to the same old thing,” said Mr. Sanders, a top contender for the Democratic presidential nomination. “Isn’t it interesting that a president who has been demagoguing and demonizing immigrants, the first thing that he could think about is closing down the border?”

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/10/bernie-sanders-says-he-wouldnt-close-borders-part-/

Criticisms of Trump’s coronavirus response are sickening

 

Biden: “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia — hysterical xenophobia — and fearmongering,” said Biden the day after the travel restrictions were imposed.

 

https://nypost.com/2020/03/01/criticisms-of-trumps-coronavirus-response-are-sickening-devine/

 

Regarding Biden - correlation does not imply causation. Any Democrat campaigning versus Trump is going to say Trump has a record of xenophobia and fearmongering. It's part of the reason the right can't stand the libs.  

Sanders also never says he would not have closed the border to China. The article is referring to the Mexican border.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

50 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Agree with you.  Sadly there government blaming other countries. It's sad that they are doing that. 

 

 

The "cure" is worse than the disease.

 

[billsfan1959]

15 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

South Korea seems to be the most successful. We won't know the answer to #2 for quite sometime - or maybe by Easter if Trump's wish comes true.

 

Edit: Seems like Germany is doing a good job as well. 

 

South Korea is the only country that seemed to be somewhat successful. The death rate there (1.3 %) is lower than anywhere else with a substantail amount of cases except Germany (.05%). The death rate in the US has been tracking between 1.2% and 1.4% of confirmed cases - similar to South Korea and, I believe, only behind Germany in all countries that have any substantial number of cases.

 

So, I'm not sure how the pandemic response team would have made any difference.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

The "cure" is worse than the disease.

 

 

Don't quite understand what you are trying to say man. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Don't quite understand what you are trying to say man. 

 

I'm saying that we're nuking the economy from orbit for no reason.

 

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, PetermansRedemption said:

You should have stopped at South Korea. You just unwillingly helped his argument by citing Germany. Germany has 82 million people, roughly one quarter of the US’ 327 million. Yet Germany has 39,502 cases. If you extrapolate that data to the US’ population figures the US would have nearly 160,000 cases. Therefore, by your own definition of doing a good job, the US is doing a phenomenal job. Because we currently only have 69,197 cases. For deaths, they are about identical figures as well. Germany has 206 deaths. Again, for a country one quarter the size of the US. If you apply that 4x multiplier they would be at 824 deaths. The US currently stands at 869. South Korea is a good example. But I doubt it’s because of their pandemic response team. I’m not versed in how many countries have them, but ask Italy, Spain, France, the UK, etc how well their pandemic response teams are helping. 
 

Source: Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Tracker

 

Germany has done an insane amount of testing per person when compared with the US. Their numbers are and should be much higher because Germany has been aggressively testing since day 1. Their death rate, though, is less than half a percentage point which is good in comparison with other countries.

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

The "cure" is worse than the disease.

 

And unless every city public transportation system is scrubbed down with Lysol, it will just keep perpetuating until a vaccine is found, or we all develop immunity.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I'm saying that we're nuking the economy from orbit for no reason.

 

 

Ya know what you mean now.

[billsfan1959]

4 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

Regarding Biden - correlation does not imply causation. Any Democrat campaigning versus Trump is going to say Trump has a record of xenophobia and fearmongering. It's part of the reason the right can't stand the libs.  

Sanders also never says he would not have closed the border to China. The article is referring to the Mexican border.

 

In that article: Sen. Bernard Sanders of Vermont on Monday said he wouldn’t shutter U.S. borders as part of a potential response to the coronavirus outbreak.

 

That has nothing to do with Mexico. It was a response in direct reply to the travel bans. Please, I have personally heard both Biden and Sanders say they would not have closed the borders or instituted travel bans early on in response to the virus.

 

Just accept it. Things would be even worse now if either one of them were in charge and didn't institute the travel bans. Look at every country that delayed shutting down their borders.

[B-Man]

5 Major Paradigm Shifts The Wuhan Flu Crisis Has Revealed Americans Need

By Ben Weingarten

 

Our first priority amid coronavirus must be neutralizing immediate threats to health and safety, but the disruption also provides a chance to engage in national reflection.

1. Communist China Is a Global Menace

2. Coronavirus Starkly Illustrates Globalism’s Downsides

3. We Must Establish Principles for Dealing with Crises

4. The GOP Needs a Real Response for Democrats’ Games

5. We Need to Get Our Fiscal House in Order

 

(There is discussion and links at each of the five)

 

It is paramount that the American people get healthy and that our country gets back to the business of business. But we must not simply gloss over the truths this crisis has revealed. Recognizing them and incorporating them into future policies will ensure the long-term vitality of our country.

 

 

 

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[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

And unless every city public transportation system is scrubbed down with Lysol, it will just keep perpetuating until a vaccine is found, or we all develop immunity.

 

Biggest thing to worry about coronavirus changes mutates or whatever. (flu changes each year with different shots) But reseachers said won't change much and some said will change. Dr Fauci said cycle's. Might become a season  diseases. 

 

 

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

South Korea is the only country that seemed to be somewhat successful. The death rate there (1.3 %) is lower than anywhere else with a substantail amount of cases except Germany (.05%). The death rate in the US has been tracking between 1.2% and 1.4% of confirmed cases - similar to South Korea and, I believe, only behind Germany in all countries that have any substantial number of cases.

 

So, I'm not sure how the pandemic response team would have made any difference.

  I don't know how impressed we should be by South Korea. A lot of their efforts are driven by having two irresponsible neighbors in North Korea and China.  How motivated they would be without those two nations I question.  It's like having a good home bordered by two neighbors that let trash build up and don't cut the lawn.  The good home owner hates picking up the trash that migrates over from the neighbors but knows if he does nothing then there will be issues with pestilence.  

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Biggest thing to worry about coronavirus changes mutates or whatever. (flu changes each year with different shots) But reseachers said won't change much and some said will change. Dr Fauci said cycle's. Might become a season  diseases. 

 

 

If the word yesterday is true that there is not much mutation, that will make a vaccine much easier. Here's hoping!

 

[billsfan1959]

6 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

Germany has done an insane amount of testing per person when compared with the US. Their numbers are and should be much higher because Germany has been aggressively testing since day 1. Their death rate, though, is less than half a percentage point which is good in comparison with other countries.

 

And yet we have been running only about three-quarters of a percent behind Germany and better than every other European country

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

In that article: Sen. Bernard Sanders of Vermont on Monday said he wouldn’t shutter U.S. borders as part of a potential response to the coronavirus outbreak.

 

That has nothing to do with Mexico.

 

The article is from over a month after Trump banned travel from China. Your original assignment was to find Democrats who were calling Trump racist for that specific travel ban. You have failed to do so. Came close with Biden! Of ***** course we would be worse off if the travel ban wasn't instituted! Trump gets mad props for closing off China! But what you're claiming about the dreaded libz just ain't true. 

 

From article... President Trump said recently that the administration was looking at the United States’ southern border as part of travel restrictions amid the increasing outbreak.

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

And yet we have been running only about three-quarters of a percent behind Germany and better than every other European country

 

Good. Let's get that number lower. More testing is how it's done. The lower that number gets, the quicker we all safely go back to work.

[Foxx]

Is it working? UK records 43 coronavirus deaths in past 24 hours compared to 87 yesterday... and new infections level out

The UK has recorded 43 coronavirus deaths in the past 24 hours compared to 87 on Tuesday, but new infections have increased by a record 1,452 to 9,529 as Britons continued to flout the lockdown.

 

Twenty-eight more patients died in England, six more patients died in Scotland, five in Wales and four in Northern Ireland - bringing the total death toll to 465 in Britain.

 

They included a 47-year-old who did not have an underlying health condition. The others who died, including one person aged 93, did have underlying health conditions. 

 

In contrast, eighty-seven infected Brits died the day before. Despite the death rate falling by half, the country saw a record spike in cases on Wednesday, with 1,452 more patients known to have caught the deadly virus, bringing the total number of cases to 9,529. ...

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Gary Busey said:

 

The article is from over a month after Trump banned travel from China. Your original assignment was to find Democrats who were calling Trump racist for that specific travel ban. You have failed to do so. Came close with Biden! Of ***** course we would be worse off if the travel ban wasn't instituted! Trump gets mad props for closing off China! But what you're claiming about the dreaded libz just ain't true. 

 

From article... President Trump said recently that the administration was looking at the United States’ southern border as part of travel restrictions amid the increasing outbreak.

 

The only thing I ever claimed in this thread was that there was a lot of criticism of Trumps travel ban as xephobic on CNN, MSNBC, and in social media. The only Democrats I ever mentioned were Biden and Sanders.

 

What I quoted were remarks made by Biden and Sanders immediately following the travel bans - I don't care the date of the articles. Both have clearly stated they would not have instuted travel bans or closed the borders. Even if you refuse to acknowledge they outright said it was xenophobic, to refuse to acknowedge that didn't even insinuate it or there was absolutely no correlation between their remarks about xenophobia and the travel bans is to engage in nothing short of willful blindness.

[Foxx]

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1242897547171004417

 

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

Both have clearly stated they would not have instuted travel bans or closed the borders. 

 

This is not true. If it was you'd be able to post the clear quotes. 

 

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

The only thing I ever claimed in this thread was that there was a lot of criticism of Trumps travel ban as xephobic on CNN, MSNBC, and in social media.

 

If true it should be extremely easy to find tweets that support this. I haven't seen any.

[Foxx]

Why Did Hundreds Of CEOs Resign Just Before The World Started Going Absolutely Crazy?

In the months prior to the most ferocious stock market crash in history and the eruption of the biggest public health crisis of our generation, we witnessed the biggest exodus of corporate CEOs that we have ever seen.  And as you will see below, corporate insiders also sold off billions of dollars worth of shares in their own companies just before the stock market imploded.  In life, timing can be everything, and sometimes people simply get lucky.  But it does seem odd that so many among the corporate elite would be so exceedingly “lucky” all at the same time.  In this article I am not claiming to know the motivations of any of these individuals, but I am pointing out certain patterns that I believe are worth investigating. ...

[meazza]

4 minutes ago, Foxx said:

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1242897547171004417

 

 

There must be more to it that that as Cuomo himself was pushing for the drug to be given.

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Gary Busey said:

This is not true. If it was you'd be able to post the clear quotes. 

If true it should be extremely easy to find tweets that support this. I haven't seen any.

 

You are now just being obtuse. The quotes I provided weren't conjured out of thin air. A quick google will provide you with plenty of CNN attacks and plenty of social media attacks. Look them up yourself. 

[TPS]

48 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

South Korea seems to be the most successful. We won't know the answer to #2 for quite sometime - or maybe by Easter if Trump's wish comes true.

 

Edit: Seems like Germany is doing a good job as well. 

Singapore, Taiwan, and a couple others can be found with a little googling. 

 

Germany is an interesting case and hopefully researchers are investigating.

It’s probably because more bavarians pray to saint Corona, the patron saint of pandemics....

[GG]

2 minutes ago, meazza said:

 

There must be more to it that that as Cuomo himself was pushing for the drug to be given.

 

The obvious reason is to control the black market for these scripts.  Don't want it to turn into another oxy fiasco with unscrupulous MDs and pharmacists  

[B-Man]

 

 

 

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

You are now just being obtuse. The quotes I provided weren't conjured out of thin air. A quick google will provide you with plenty of CNN attacks and plenty of social media attacks. Look them up yourself. 

 

Again, neither quote relates directly to shutting down travel to and from China. I tried a quick google and there are not plenty of CNN attacks or social media attacks. You claim they exist. Prove it.

Just now, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

The quote from 2/5 is 100% fake

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[LB3]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

it is really self inflicted.

 

when one is wrong so often, it develops a certain mindset.

Dunning–Kruger effect.

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, TPS said:

Singapore, Taiwan, and a couple others can be found with a little googling. 

 

Germany is an interesting case and hopefully researchers are investigating.

It’s probably because more bavarians pray to saint Corona, the patron saint of pandemics....

 

Singapore has 638 cases and Taiwan has 252 cases. What exactly does that show?

[B-Man]

 

 

ISRAEL WHO?

 

 

 

Yesterday: “The WHO has become another pointless organization pandering to the world’s worst actors.”

 

 

 

 

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[Buffalo_Gal]