Deranged Rhino Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 @IDBillzFan here's the tweet you mentioned. Still up. Not deleted or flagged. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 Virginia: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, Hedge said: Virginia: 30 days!? That is a lot of businesses that will be closing without government money and assistance. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: 30 days!? That is a lot of businesses that will be closing without government money and assistance. Same state that is declining to follow the fed tax filing extension because it'll hurt the budget... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Please Trump don't ease on social distancing. To reopen the government you need to do like a different country does lots of testing. But America is soo huge. I don't think reopen until things get better is the key word here. Flatten the curve , slow down the virus. For the American people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 For my personal knowledge, how does an asymptomatic person transmit the disease? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Not trying to throw a wet blanket on things but if the United States loses 50,000 plus people each week to all sorts of causes doesn’t this seem like a tremendous effort and inflicted damage for the 500 virus victims we’ve seen this past week? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 What are we looking at for latest mortality rates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Not trying to throw a wet blanket on things but if the United States loses 50,000 plus people each week to all sorts of causes doesn’t this seem like a tremendous effort and inflicted damage for the 500 virus victims we’ve seen this past week? I'm not sure we're talkign about 500 victims a week if no action is taken though I'm not expecting the doomsday projections as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Not trying to throw a wet blanket on things but if the United States loses 50,000 plus people each week to all sorts of causes doesn’t this seem like a tremendous effort and inflicted damage for the 500 virus victims we’ve seen this past week? 500 and sadly growing. Just started to grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, dubs said: What are we looking at for latest mortality rates? There are some nice websites that track it all worldwide and by country. They update regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Please Trump don't ease on social distancing. To reopen the government you need to do like a different country does lots of testing. But America is soo huge. I don't think reopen until things get better is the key word here. Flatten the curve , slow down the virus. For the American people. He hasn't closed the government, though, so what is there to reopen? Private corporations and states have made their own decisions on staying at home/etc. with the federal government's guidance only being the "15 days" talk Trump has already started to walk back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, Buffalo Bills Fan said: 500 and sadly growing. Just started to grow. Growing yes, but not at the rates you‘re being lead to believe. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Trump needs to stop talking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, meazza said: I'm not sure we're talkign about 500 victims a week if no action is taken though I'm not expecting the doomsday projections as well. The USA isn’t anywhere near the top of the list in deaths per million citizens. Interesting to see China with their huge population is way below us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 hours ago, ALF said: 2020 Tokyo Olympics Will Be Postponed Due to Coronavirus, Says IOC's Dick Pound The 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo will be postponed because of the coronavirus pandemic, likely until 2021, International Olympic Committee member Dick Pound told Christine Brennan of USA Today. "On the basis of the information the IOC has, postponement has been decided," Pound said. "The parameters going forward have not been determined, but the Games are not going to start on July 24, that much I know." + https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2881956-2020-tokyo-olympics-will-be-postponed-due-to-coronavirus-says-iocs-dick-pound?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral Dick Pound...wish that was my name, lucky bastard 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realtruelove Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, meazza said: For my personal knowledge, how does an asymptomatic person transmit the disease? it is thought (can't verify myself), that the first 5 days one is infected is when they are most contagious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, meazza said: Trump needs to stop talking... It’s taking the place of his rallies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: The USA isn’t anywhere near the top of the list in deaths per million citizens. Interesting to see China with their huge population is way below us. This outbreak hasn't peaked in the US. Also, China is much more authoritarian. They track people of interest just to be able to properly trace the spreading. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Growing yes, but not at the rates you‘re being lead to believe. 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: There are some nice websites that track it all worldwide and by country. They update regularly. I haven’t seen anything above 4.4% and as low as 1%. I get all the denominator and testing issues as well. Point being, I have a feeling the mortality rate is probably pretty low compared to SARS, MERS, Ebola, etc.. im wondering at what point we start moving from complete shut down to more of a risk management approach. This doesn’t seem very sustainable for long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, TPS said: It’s taking the place of his rallies. The woman behind him (the doctor) looks like she wants to break down and cry. 1 minute ago, Foxx said: it is thought (can't verify myself), that the first 5 days one is infected is when they are most contagious. Yes but I meant, how do they transmit it. I understand if someone sneezes or coughs but if they have no symptoms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Growing yes, but not at the rates you‘re being lead to believe. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ WORLD / COUNTRIES / UNITED STATES Last updated: March 23, 2020, 23:03 GMT We are working with State and local officials to constantly improve the accuracy and timeliness of the data. Please bear with us while we fine-tune the process. United States Coronavirus Cases: 43,449 Deaths: 545 Recovered: 295 Now Yesterday Search: USA State Total Cases New Cases Total Deaths New Deaths Active Cases Source New York 20,875 +5,085 157 +43 20,610 [source] [source] [source] [source] [source] [source] [source] New Jersey 2,844 +930 27 +7 2,817 [source] [source] Washington 2,221 +225 110 +15 1,987 [source] California 2,065 +310 40 +6 2,019 [source] [source] [source] Michigan 1,328 +293 15 +6 1,313 [source] [source] [source] Illinois 1,285 +236 12 +3 1,271 [source] Florida 1,227 +220 18 +5 1,209 [source] [source] Louisiana 1,172 +335 34 +14 1,138 [source] Texas 788 +190 9 +3 768 [source] [source] [source] [source] [source] Massachusetts 777 +131 9 +4 767 [source] [source] Georgia 772 +172 25 +2 747 [source] Colorado 720 +129 7 +1 713 [source] [source] [source] Pennsylvania 644 +165 4 +1 640 [source] [source] [source] Tennessee 615 +110 2 613 [source] [source] [source] Ohio 442 +91 6 +3 436 [source] Wisconsin 416 +35 5 +1 410 [source] Connecticut 415 +192 10 +5 405 [source] [source] [source] North Carolina 348 +77 348 [source] [source] South Carolina 299 +104 5 +2 294 [source] Maryland 288 +44 3 281 [source] Indiana 259 +58 7 +1 252 [source] Utah 257 +76 1 256 [source] Virginia 254 +35 6 +3 247 [source] Mississippi 249 +42 1 248 [source] Nevada 245 +55 4 +2 241 [source] Minnesota 235 +66 1 210 [source] Arizona 234 +82 2 231 [source] Oregon 191 +30 5 +1 186 [source] [source] Missouri 183 +93 3 180 [source] Arkansas 174 +9 174 [source] [source] Alabama 167 +10 167 [source] District of Columbia 116 +18 2 114 [source] Maine 107 +18 104 [source] Rhode Island 106 +23 106 [source] [source] Iowa 105 +15 105 [source] [source] Kentucky 104 +1 3 99 [source] [source] New Hampshire 101 +23 1 +1 100 [source] [source] New Mexico 83 +18 83 [source] Kansas 82 +18 2 80 [source] [source] [source] Oklahoma 81 +14 2 78 [source] Hawaii 77 +21 77 [source] Vermont 75 +23 5 +3 70 [source] Delaware 68 +12 68 [source] Nebraska 50 +8 50 [source] Idaho 47 +5 47 [source] Montana 45 +11 45 [source] Alaska 32 +10 32 [source] [source] North Dakota 32 +2 32 [source] South Dakota 28 +7 1 21 [source] Wyoming 26 +2 26 [source] West Virginia 16 +4 16 [source] [source] Diamond Princess Cruise 49 49 Grand Princess Cruise 30 1 29 Total: 43,449 9,883 545 132 42,609 Total Coronavirus Cases in the United States linear logarithmic Total Coronavirus CasesTotal Cases(Linear Scale)Feb 15Feb 17Feb 19Feb 21Feb 23Feb 25Feb 27Feb 29Mar 02Mar 04Mar 06Mar 08Mar 10Mar 12Mar 14Mar 16Mar 18Mar 20Mar 22010k20k30k40kCasesMar 16● Cases: 4 663 Daily New Cases in the United States Novel Coronavirus Daily CasesDaily New CasesCases per DayData as of 0:00 GMT+0Feb 15Feb 17Feb 19Feb 21Feb 23Feb 25Feb 27Feb 29Mar 02Mar 04Mar 06Mar 08Mar 10Mar 12Mar 14Mar 16Mar 18Mar 20Mar 2202.5k5k7.5k10kDaily CasesMar 22● Daily Cases: 9 359 Active Cases in the United States Total Coronavirus Currently InfectedActive Cases(Number of Infected People)Feb 15Feb 17Feb 19Feb 21Feb 23Feb 25Feb 27Feb 29Mar 02Mar 04Mar 06Mar 08Mar 10Mar 12Mar 14Mar 16Mar 18Mar 20Mar 22010k20k30k40kCurrently InfectedMar 13● Currently Infected: 2 157 Total Coronavirus Deaths in the United States linear logarithmic Total Coronavirus DeathsTotal Deaths(Linear Scale)Feb 15Feb 17Feb 19Feb 21Feb 23Feb 25Feb 27Feb 29Mar 02Mar 04Mar 06Mar 08Mar 10Mar 12Mar 14Mar 16Mar 18Mar 20Mar 220100200300400500DeathsMar 05● Deaths: 12 Daily New Deaths in the United States Latest Updates March 23 (GMT) 9883 new cases and 132 new deaths in the United States March 22 (GMT) 9359 new cases and 111 new deaths in the United StatesNew deaths and cases include: 4 new deaths and 590 new cases in New Jersey [source] 6 new deaths in Georgia [source] 4 new deaths in California: including the 1st death in Monterey County (an adult with an underlying health condition) [source] 4 new deaths in Louisiana (the other 2 mentioned in the report have been already counted in yesterday's totals for the state): an 83-year-old Orleans Parish resident, a 50-year-old Orleans resident, a 77-year-old Jefferson Parish resident and a 90-year-old Orleans Parish resident. All aside from the 83-year-old individual had underlying medical conditions [source] 3 new deaths in Michigan: a 52-year-old man with underlying health conditions [source], the first death in West Michigan: a man in his 70s [source] and an 90-year-old woman [source] 1 new death in Florida 1 new death in Colorado [source] 1 new death in Virginia, the 1st in Fairfax County: a man in his 60s who acquired COVID-19 through contact with a previously reported case [source] 1 new death in Indiana [source] 1 new death in Kentucky: a 67-year-old man from Anderson County with underlying health conditions [source] 1 new death in Kansas. Health officials have ordered Kansas City-area residents to stay at home for 30 days, starting Tuesday [source] March 21 (GMT) 4824 new cases and 46 new deaths in the United States 269 new cases and 11 new deaths in Washington State [source] 112 new cases in Massachusetts, total rises to 525 [source] New York now has over 10,000 cases [source] New York is doing more tests than any other state in the United States, according to Governor Cuomo, who said 45,000 tests have been performed in New York State, compared to 23,000 in California (which has twice the population) and 23,000 in Washington State (with 1/3 of the population, therefore maintaining a higher number of tests per capita compared to New York) New deaths include: 1st death in Minnesota: a Ramsey County resident in their 80s [source] 10 new deaths in New York [source] 5 new deaths in New Jersey [source] 1 new death in Oregon, first in Marion County [source] 1st death in Tennessee: a 73-year old man with underlying health conditions in Nashville [source] 1st death in Arizona: a Maricopa County man in his 50s with underlying health conditions [source] 1 death in Ohio: an 85-year-old man was an Erie County [source] 2 new deaths in South Carolina: elderly people suffering from underlying health conditions [source] 1 death in California: the first death in Contra Costa County: a patient in their 70s [source] 1 death in Maryland: a Baltimore County resident in his 60s who suffered from underlying medical conditions [source] D.C. schools will be closed until April 27 1 death in Missouri: a woman in her 60s, who suffered from multiple health problems prior to being diagnosed with COVID-19 [source] March 20 (GMT) https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ Italy Coronavirus Cases: 63,927 Deaths: 6,077 Recovered: 7,432 ACTIVE CASES 50,418 Currently Infected Patients 47,214 (94%) in Mild Condition 3,204 (6%) Serious or Critical Show Graph Feb 15Feb 18Feb 21Feb 24Feb 27Mar 01Mar 04Mar 07Mar 10Mar 13Mar 16Mar 19Mar 22025k50k Show Statistics CLOSED CASES 13,509 Cases which had an outcome: 7,432 (55%) Recovered / Discharged 6,077 (45%) Deaths Show Graph Feb 15Feb 27Mar 10Mar 22Feb 19Feb 23Mar 02Mar 06Mar 14Mar 180%50%100% Show Statistics Total Coronavirus Cases in Italy linear logarithmic Total Coronavirus CasesTotal Cases(Linear Scale)Feb 15Feb 17Feb 19Feb 21Feb 23Feb 25Feb 27Feb 29Mar 02Mar 04Mar 06Mar 08Mar 10Mar 12Mar 14Mar 16Mar 18Mar 20Mar 22020k40k60k80kCases Daily New Cases in Italy Novel Coronavirus Daily CasesDaily New CasesCases per DayData as of 0:00 GMT+0Feb 15Feb 17Feb 19Feb 21Feb 23Feb 25Feb 27Feb 29Mar 02Mar 04Mar 06Mar 08Mar 10Mar 12Mar 14Mar 16Mar 18Mar 20Mar 2202k4k6k8kDaily Cases Active Cases in Italy Total Coronavirus Currently InfectedActive Cases(Number of Infected People)Feb 15Feb 17Feb 19Feb 21Feb 23Feb 25Feb 27Feb 29Mar 02Mar 04Mar 06Mar 08Mar 10Mar 12Mar 14Mar 16Mar 18Mar 20Mar 22010k20k30k40k50kCurrently Infected Total Coronavirus Deaths in Italy linear logarithmic Total Coronavirus DeathsTotal Deaths(Linear Scale)Feb 15Feb 17Feb 19Feb 21Feb 23Feb 25Feb 27Feb 29Mar 02Mar 04Mar 06Mar 08Mar 10Mar 12Mar 14Mar 16Mar 18Mar 20Mar 2201k2k3k4k5k6kDeathsFeb 15● Deaths: 0 Daily New Deaths in Italy Novel Coronavirus Daily DeathsDaily DeathsDeaths per DayData as of 0:00 GMT+8Feb 15Feb 17Feb 19Feb 21Feb 23Feb 25Feb 27Feb 29Mar 02Mar 04Mar 06Mar 08Mar 10Mar 12Mar 14Mar 16Mar 18Mar 20Mar 2201000250500750Daily DeathsMar 20● Daily Deaths: 627 Newly Infected vs. Newly Recovered in Italy New Daily Coronavirus Cases+CuredNew Cases vs. New Recoveries(Number of newly infected vs. number of recovered and discharged patients each day)Feb 15Feb 17Feb 19Feb 21Feb 23Feb 25Feb 27Feb 29Mar 02Mar 04Mar 06Mar 08Mar 10Mar 12Mar 14Mar 16Mar 18Mar 20Mar 22-2k02k4k6k8kNew RecoveriesNew Cases Outcome of Cases (Recovery or Death) in Italy Percent (%)Outcome of total closed cases (recovery rate vs death rate)(Cumulative total deaths and recoveries over cumulative number of closed cases)Feb 15Feb 17Feb 19Feb 21Feb 23Feb 25Feb 27Feb 29Mar 02Mar 04Mar 06Mar 08Mar 10Mar 12Mar 14Mar 16Mar 18Mar 20Mar 220255075100Death RateRecovery RateFeb 15Recovery Rate: 0.00% Latest Updates March 23 (GMT) 4789 new cases and 601 new deaths in Italy (Italian Officials had incorrectly reported 602 new deaths - instead of 601 - in the live press briefing. We have corrected the number once the written report was made public). Statistics and trends by province [source] [source] March 22 (GMT) 5560 new cases and 651 new deaths in Italy: 15% decline in new cases and 18% decline in new deaths with respect to yesterday [source] [source] Among the deaths: a 34-year-old man in Rome with no existing health conditions (according to reports) who died after being hospitalized for 4 days in sub‐intensive care. He had developed a fever after returning from Barcelona, Spain [source] "We expect to see the first effects of the stringent lockdown measures adopted on March 11 after 2-3 weeks, so the coming week will be absolutely crucial in this sense: we expect to finally see a sign of trend reversal," said Franco Locatelli, President of the Health Council [source Pretty detailed. USA just getting started. Not the tip of the ice burg just of yet. 1 minute ago, meazza said: This outbreak hasn't peaked in the US. Also, China is much more authoritarian. They track people of interest just to be able to properly trace the spreading. Agree with this post!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 This is what I am saying. What is Trump actually going to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: The USA isn’t anywhere near the top of the list in deaths per million citizens. Interesting to see China with their huge population is way below us. Those numbers aren’t fixed. Give it another week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, meazza said: The woman behind him (the doctor) looks like she wants to break down and cry. Yes but I meant, how do they transmit it. I understand if someone sneezes or coughs but if they have no symptoms? Could be some ways touching there face and other stuff (simple things). Have to look more detailed myself on this one. But he did test positive (Paul guy) 3 minutes ago, TPS said: Those numbers aren’t fixed. Give it another week. Agree with this post. Edited March 23, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, meazza said: ... Yes but I meant, how do they transmit it. I understand if someone sneezes or coughs but if they have no symptoms? symptoms have nothing to do with being contagious. transmission is thought to be from expelling particulates from the air pathway. whether straight up coughing, sneezing or emptying one's nasal cavity... putting these particulates out into the atmosphere around you. they could then land on a surface and be picked up by anyone who happens to be in the unfortunate position of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Edited March 24, 2020 by Foxx 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, Foxx said: symptoms have nothing to do with being contagious. transmission is thought to be from expelling particulates from the air pathway. whether straight up coughing, sneezing, emptying one's nasal cavity... putting these particulates out into the atmosphere around you. they could then land on a surface and be be picked up by anyone who happens to be in the unfortunate position of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Great post. Thanks man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: The USA isn’t anywhere near the top of the list in deaths per million citizens. Interesting to see China with their huge population is way below us. We’ve been told that this disease is ten times deadlier than the seasonal flu and twice as easy to transmit...So where are the deaths? China (the epicenter) has only 80,000 cases and less than 4000 deaths. Some states have zero deaths and states like Texas (7) and Arizona (2) have only a handful. Half the counties in Oregon have zero cases. The numbers and the hype don’t add up. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, mannc said: We’ve been told that this disease is ten times deadlier than the seasonal flu and twice as easy to transmit...So where are the deaths? China (the epicenter) has only 80,000 cases and less than 4000 deaths. Some states have zero deaths and states like Texas (7) and Arizona (2) have only a handful. Half the counties in Oregon have zero cases. The numbers and the hype don’t add up. Coronavirus hasn't peaked or tip of iceberg not as yet for USA. Like recovered cases so low right now. WiIth 44,499 cases. Just getting started to say. NYC getting hit right now. The cases went straight up pretty fast. Was behind lots of countries. Now in like 3rd most cases. USA is pretty big as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, mannc said: We’ve been told that this disease is ten times deadlier than the seasonal flu and twice as easy to transmit...So where are the deaths? China (the epicenter) has only 80,000 cases and less than 4000 deaths. Some states have zero deaths and states like Texas (7) and Arizona (2) have only a handful. Half the counties in Oregon have zero cases. The numbers and the hype don’t add up. don't worry, be happy! you will be told that, 'see, our measures saved millions of lives'. of course, there will be no way to actually prove the negative. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, mannc said: We’ve been told that this disease is ten times deadlier than the seasonal flu and twice as easy to transmit...So where are the deaths? China (the epicenter) has only 80,000 cases and less than 4000 deaths. Some states have zero deaths and states like Texas (7) and Arizona (2) have only a handful. Half the counties in Oregon have zero cases. The numbers and the hype don’t add up. 4,000 deaths out of 80,000 cases definitely makes it more deadly than the flu. Regardless of personal opinion on the hoopla, that’s a fact. You do bring up the most intriguing point though, we really don’t know how many people it will infect. China only had 80,000 cases which is much lower than seasonal flu. If we can keep it in the hundred thousands, the numbers won’t look terrible. If as many people get Covid 19 as the seasonal flu, the deaths will be awful. Let’s hope the numbers level off, and fewer people continue to get infected. That’s the real question that has yet to be answered. We already know the fatality rate is greater than the flu. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, mannc said: We’ve been told that this disease is ten times deadlier than the seasonal flu and twice as easy to transmit...So where are the deaths? China (the epicenter) has only 80,000 cases and less than 4000 deaths. Some states have zero deaths and states like Texas (7) and Arizona (2) have only a handful. Half the counties in Oregon have zero cases. The numbers and the hype don’t add up. It adds up when you consider that most Federal Governments around the world are projecting 40-70% of their population to get the virus. Considering that it kills 1-2% of the people it infects, you're talking about millions and millions of deaths. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Just now, jrober38 said: It adds up when you consider that most Federal Governments around the world are projecting 40-70% of their population to get the virus. Considering that it kills 1-2% of the people it infects, you're talking about millions and millions of deaths. Exactly, my greatest hope is that it doesn’t infect as many as those predictions indicate. With a novel strain its impossible to guess how it will behave. There are a lot of worst case scenarios being thrown around, since it’s better to be over prepared as opposed to being unprepared. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 This is our go-to link to see what's happening around our state and the world. I'm sure it's already been posted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: Exactly, my greatest hope is that it doesn’t infect as many as those predictions indicate. With a novel strain its impossible to guess how it will behave. There are a lot of worst case scenarios being thrown around, since it’s better to be over prepared as opposed to being unprepared. Given how contagious it is the projections seem possible. Those models have been put together by health experts who know more about this stuff than any of us could ever imagine. The other issue to consider is that things get worse as the health care system gets strained. As things stand the US still has masks, protective equipment and other supplies. In a week or so some hospitals will be out of protective equipment. Once the rush comes, and the system is strained is when it will get bad. NYC has about 2500 available ventilators and currently around 500 people in ICUs hooked up. In two weeks once this thing has spread exponentially again, the number of people in need of a ventilator will exceed the number available in some hospitals. This is what happened in Italy where they've had to leave people to die in the hallways. More people need ventilators than are available and the healthcare system collapses. In Italy the mortality rate is almost 10% because their hospitals were completely overwhelmed with people in need of critical care. Edited March 24, 2020 by jrober38 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, Foxx said: don't worry, be happy! I'm sure that's what doctors in NYC hospitals are saying right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: It adds up when you consider that most Federal Governments around the world are projecting 40-70% of their population to get the virus. Considering that it kills 1-2% of the people it infects, you're talking about millions and millions of deaths. that's the point. There is no evidence that it will ever cause "millions and millions of deaths". It's been in the US for at least two months and its caused barely 500. In China, it's been around for the entire winter and it's killed only 4000 out of a population of 1.4 billion. It's nowhere near reaching even the number of deaths from seasonal flu, even in Italy, which is one of the worst countries in the world for seasonal flu deaths. If in fact CV is more deadly than seasonal flu, then it's MUCH harder to transmit, based on the much lower number of deaths. 12 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: 4,000 deaths out of 80,000 cases definitely makes it more deadly than the flu. It depends how you define "cases". If "cases" includes everyone who's infected, then yes, but it is probably only people who have shown fairly serious symptoms. 12 minutes ago, jrober38 said: It adds up when you consider that most Federal Governments around the world are projecting 40-70% of their population to get the virus. Considering that it kills 1-2% of the people it infects, you're talking about millions and millions of deaths. "Projecting" doesn't make it so. What I'm saying is that the numbers so far don't match the projections of the "experts". 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, mannc said: that's the point. There is no evidence that it will ever cause "millions and millions of deaths". It's been in the US for at least two months and its caused barely 500. In China, it's been around for the entire winter and it's killed only 4000 out of a population of 1.4 billion. It's nowhere near reaching even the number of deaths from seasonal flu, even in Italy, which is one of the worst countries in the world for seasonal flu deaths. If in fact CV is more deadly than seasonal flu, then it's MUCH harder to transmit, based on the much lower number of deaths. You don't seem to understand how pandemics spread. Everyone doesn't get it the same time. It spreads. Person A gives COVID-19 to 3 people (the average transmission based off data I've seen), who each give it to 3 people, who each give it to 3 people, etc. By the time it's been transmitted 10 times, 30,000 people have it. That's how this thing will spread. 45,000 people (knowingly) have it right now in the US. In a few days after each of them have given it to 3 more people, 135,000 people will have it. A few days after that 400,000 people will have it. In a month if the curve isn't flatter, millions of people might have it, and tens of thousands will be dead. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, mannc said: that's the point. There is no evidence that it will ever cause "millions and millions of deaths". It's been in the US for at least two months and its caused barely 500. In China, it's been around for the entire winter and it's killed only 4000 out of a population of 1.4 billion. It's nowhere near reaching even the number of deaths from seasonal flu, even in Italy, which is one of the worst countries in the world for seasonal flu deaths. If in fact CV is more deadly than seasonal flu, then it's MUCH harder to transmit, based on the much lower number of deaths. It depends how you define "cases". If "cases" includes everyone who's infected, then yes, but it is probably only people who have shown fairly serious symptoms. "Projecting" doesn't make it so. What I'm saying is that the numbers so far don't match the projections of the "experts". You make a great point about defining “cases”, and you are 100% percent correct. If we are saying Covid 19 mortality rate is anywhere between 1-5%, it’s probably much lower in comparison to actual cases. However, if we are saying that the mortally rate for seasonal flu is 0.02%, that is probably actually lower as well. How many people with the flu aren’t defined as “cases”? The last time I had the flu I didn’t go to the doctor, so I wouldn’t be a case. Using that metric, Covid 19 is still worse than the flu. I do agree the rate of fatalities is probably much lower than what we think. It’s certainly not a death sentence. Things are a bit hysterical right now because Italy has a terrible mortality rate. Germany’s is less than 1%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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