The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Numark3]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Scared of muslims, scared of health care, scared of democracy, scared of strong women, scared of facts, scared of information, scared of the truth...could write all day! 

Mexicans!  Definitely scared of them

[Tiberius]

9 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Where have I been scared? I don't think we should have ever shut down except in NYC. I haven't stopped living. I want my kid in a school that's not all screwed up this fall. 

 

The graph was about bed availability...the mayor's quote was about exponentially rising cases. The data shown from SETAC was thus not the data being discussed in the Tweet. Also as we know, some hospitals hit capacity in Houston. But it's turning out "fine," just like it will elsewhere. "Fine" being a relative state. 

 

 

 

You can't be serious. The left is addicted to the panic around this in the same way the right thinks it's no big deal. 

 

 

Addicted? Or just taking the PANDEMIC seriously? 

1 minute ago, Crayola64 said:

Mexicans!  Definitely scared of them

For sure! 

[dubs]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Got another one for you, Kentucky sends the absolute worse Senators to Congress. Puck 

 

I wish you Paul people could get your own no government country. 

 

Name me one successful country that has tried his libertarian gargage. Just one 

 

Brilliant!  Truly insightful commentary.

 

I do truly feel sorry for you.

[Cinga]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

5 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

the right loves to say how scared and panicked the left is.

 

you know, the right.  The side that was scared of gay marriage, scared of Christmas being under attack, scared of gays in the military, scared of unisex bathrooms, scared of protestors, scared of wearing masks, scared of black people, scared that white people are under attack, scared that being a male is under attack.

 

 

i have never seen a bigger group of pussies than the far right in this country.  DR is running around terrified of Wayfair

Scared of muslims, scared of health care, scared of democracy, scared of strong women, scared of facts, scared of information, scared of the truth...could write all day! 

 

Don't mistake fear with disgust or disagreement.

[Gary M]

13 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Who is actually panicking though?

 

https://www.the-sun.com/news/883434/shoppers-chase-woman-grocery-store-mask-new-york/

[Numark3]

Just now, Cinga said:

 

Don't mistake fear with disgust or disagreement.

Ah, you’re disgusted with Muslims.  
 

totally better.

[bilzfancy]

6 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

the right loves to say how scared and panicked the left is.

 

you know, the right.  The side that was scared of gay marriage, scared of Christmas being under attack, scared of gays in the military, scared of unisex bathrooms, scared of protestors, scared of wearing masks, scared of black people, scared that white people are under attack, scared that being a male is under attack.

 

 

i have never seen a bigger group of pussies than the far right in this country.  DR is running around terrified of Wayfair

so any conservative that wore the uniform of the US Armed Forces is a *****? do I have that right?

[Gary M]

1 minute ago, Cinga said:

 

Don't mistake fear with disgust or disagreement.

 

It's all the same to them you racist! ?

[Cinga]

1 minute ago, Crayola64 said:

Ah, you’re disgusted with Muslims.  
 

totally better.

did you miss the disagreement part?

[Numark3]

1 minute ago, bilzfancy said:

so any conservative that wore the uniform of the US Armed Forces is a *****? do I have that right?

you have trouble with sentences 

[Gary M]

2 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

Ah, you’re disgusted with Muslims.  
 

totally better.

 

Yes

 

 

[LB3]

9 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

the right loves to say how scared and panicked the left is.

 

you know, the right.  The side that was scared of gay marriage, scared of Christmas being under attack, scared of gays in the military, scared of unisex bathrooms, scared of protestors, scared of wearing masks, scared of black people, scared that white people are under attack, scared that being a male is under attack.

 

 

i have never seen a bigger group of pussies than the far right in this country.  DR is running around terrified of Wayfair

Do you pitch or catch? 

[Numark3]

Just now, Cinga said:

did you miss the disagreement part?

you’re in great company.  

Just now, LB3 said:

Do you pitch or catch? 

my girlfriend is the cutest little lawyer.  Conservative, but I can put up with it.  

[Teddy KGB]

13 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Speaking for myself, and the liberals and I know, everyone has continued to live their lives free of panic. 

no one cares, all of your posts are meaningless.    

[bilzfancy]

11 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

you have trouble with sentences 

An English teacher that didn't answer the question

[GG]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

Where have I been scared? I don't think we should have ever shut down except in NYC. I haven't stopped living. I want my kid in a school that's not all screwed up this fall. 

 

The graph was about bed availability...the mayor's quote was about exponentially rising cases. The data shown from SETAC was thus not the data being discussed in the Tweet. Also as we know, some hospitals hit capacity in Houston. But it's turning out "fine," just like it will elsewhere. "Fine" being a relative state. 

 

The graph in the tweet is the SETAC data on general hospital bed use.  So if there's a bone to pick with the graphs is that the mayor was discussing ICUs, while SETAC data is total beds.  But there's a high correlation between the two.   You just focused on the relatively flat 7-day line, which is correct BTW.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

 

You can't be serious. The left is addicted to the panic around this in the same way the right thinks it's no big deal. 

 

 

 

Which is more to the point.  The press runs from one scary story to another, without any follow up to what happened to the original scary story, especially when things turned out better than what they thought.   It reminds me of a scene in Shrek where the crowds run from one Starbucks to another across the street.   

 

If the press did its job, there wouldn't be so much panic in the country.  Case in point is NJ, which just rolled back some safety guidelines because on one day last week, the infections grew by 100 more than the rolling 3-day average.  Never mind that the average is back to the low figures and that hospitalizations aren't an issue, it's time to lock every one down again.

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

@BillStime, i saw that Axios interview and came away with two distinct impressions

 

1) Trump found it hard to pivot from his prepared talking point, no doubt. Scary, i agree

 

2) Trump should have jumped all over the "death rate as a percentage of population" thing...if we could get people to focus on that most of this hysteria of the virus would disappear. If as everyone believes we are handling the "crisis" worse than anyone out there, and after 6 months we the below calculation as the 'death rate"...wtf are we doing? S0      4/10ths of 1 percent.....and we have shut down the world...what in the hell are we doing? Do you think that is worth 10K kids dying a month of starvation? Millions of people losing their businesses and life savings? Kids losing substantial portions of youth experiences? This is insane

 

 

 

Donald Trump: "I think it's under control."

Interviewer: "How? A thousand Americans are dying a day."

Donald Trump: "They are dying. That's true. And you — it is what it is."

 

 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

If the press did its job, there wouldn't be so much panic in the country.  Case in point is NJ, which just rolled back some safety guidelines because on one day last week, the infections grew by 100 more than the rolling 3-day average.  Never mind that the average is back to the low figures and that hospitalizations aren't an issue, it's time to lock every one down again.

 

Stop with the panic porn. Murphy rolled back one regulation - 25 people gatherings instead of 100 - and never said It's time to lock every one down again.

[Numark3]

7 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

An English teacher that didn't answer the question

your question didn’t make sense because you didn’t string words together coherently 

[bilzfancy]

Florida, for the 3rd day in a row, positivity rate under 10%, new cases way down, zero deaths in this area (SWFL)

[WEATHER DOT COM]

1 minute ago, bilzfancy said:

Florida, for the 3rd day in a row, positivity rate under 10%, new cases way down, zero deaths in this area (SWFL)

 

Great news. Hope it trends the same way over the next week or so. A lot of testing sites closed because of the potential hurricane, which could delay some numbers.

[plenzmd1]

10 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Donald Trump: "I think it's under control."

Interviewer: "How? A thousand Americans are dying a day."

Donald Trump: "They are dying. That's true. And you — it is what it is."

 

 

As @Magox said, he comes off awful when he says things like that. 
 

still does not take away from the point that less than .0004 of our population has died “ with” Covid in 6 months. 
 

very anecdotal, but I can tell you this. I was visiting and staying with a close friend this week that is the CFO of a major insurance company, a name we all know and see ya ads for all the time. 
 

they have seen zero statistical rise in life insurance claims vs the previous 10 years. If the damn thing was a crisis, don’t ya think that would be elevated even a little? 

[bilzfancy]

3 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Great news. Hope it trends the same way over the next week or so. A lot of testing sites closed because of the potential hurricane, which could delay some numbers.

This true, especially for the east coast, but they stayed opened here

[GG]

14 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Stop with the panic porn. Murphy rolled back one regulation - 25 people gatherings instead of 100 - and never said It's time to lock every one down again.

 

It had the desired effect of keeping the scared people scared.  There are still many families who haven't left the perimeters of their yards since March.  There are still people who are afraid to let their kids out and play.  

 

Glad that you're not scared, but that doesn't mean that other people are being rational about this virus, because the negative stories always outnumber the positive ones.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

1 minute ago, GG said:

It had the desired effect of keeping the scared people scared.  There are still many families who haven't left the perimeters of their yards since March.  There are still people who are afraid to let their kids out and play.  

 

Do you have data on this anecdote?

[GG]

Just now, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Do you have data on this anecdote?

 

Sure, visit any town in Bergen & Essex counties and you will find it.   You may also ask Murphy why masks are still required in open air parks.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

4 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Sure, visit any town in Bergen & Essex counties and you will find it.   You may also ask Murphy why masks are still required in open air parks.

 

Sooooooooo you don't

 

Kids weren't flocking to playgrounds before the pandemic either. Yes, that's also anecdotal. 

[GG]

3 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Sooooooooo you don't

 

Kids weren't flocking to playgrounds before the pandemic either. Yes, that's also anecdotal. 

 

This is not the kind of data that anyone has gathered in the past.  But when you go to any playground or park in Northern NJ, it's noticeably emptier than at any prior year.  It doesn't help that there are still barriers at the park entrances and mandatory face coverings regulations are still in effect, despite zero scientific evidence of a viral spread - outdoors and in 80+ weather.   Yet, all those little things continue stoking the fear in the public, when the messaging should be that it's safe to go outside. 

[BUFFALOTONE]

33 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Great news. Hope it trends the same way over the next week or so. A lot of testing sites closed because of the potential hurricane, which could delay some numbers.

Florida counted 247 deaths yesterday... when you read the article it states this is an accumulation over multiple weeks. Not a 24 hr period. That’s the main issue with the information everyone is getting. Sun Sentinel is a disappointment with their intel. I could care less about the political side of this they need to do their jobs a lot better. 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[IDBillzFan]

18 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

This explains why Cuomo is suddenly pushing to start over from scratch with 100% mandatory US lockdowns for 90 days.

 

I mean, if we should listen to anyone about how to handle Covid, we know Cuomo is the guy.

[GG]

44 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

That darned POTUS didn't listen to her.  Oh, wait

 

"I leave my post today with deep disappointment," her resignation letter said, taking aim at Mayor Bill de Blasio's administration. "Our experts are world renowned for their epidemiology, surveillance and response work. The city would be well served by having them at the strategic center of the response not in the background."

 

 

The scary part about the story is that NY Health & Hospitals were put in charge of contact tracing, when that agency was the one that totally botched the response in the first place.

Edited August 4, 2020 by GG

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, Taro T said:

 

Sorry for delay in posting this, just saw your post now.

 

Pretty sure that Sweden admits they should've done a better job protecting their elderly and they should've locked those high risk individuals down.  But they could've done that better while leaving the rest of the nation open.

 

Doubt those other countries end up at Sweden's death rate, but do expect they'll be far closer to it when all is said & done.

 

And expect that for future pandemics the Sweden model with some tweaks to better protectively quarantine the elderly will be the model to follow.

True although a lot of other countries made the same mistakes because of how quickly this virus escalated and how little we knew about it.  If the Nordic countries creep up in similar death rates and Sweden doesn't experience a second wave then that should be the model to follow.  I think the ultimate blueprint will be somewhere in between Sweden's model and South Korea's model.

[Tiberius]

Cuomo suggested that if we really want a reset, it is President Trump who must get the ball rolling. “It was a mistake to downplay covid,” the governor said. “It was a mistake to say, ‘It’s just the flu.’ It was a mistake to say, ‘It’s gone by Easter.’ It was a mistake to say, ‘It’s going to magically disappear when it gets warm.’ It was a mistake to say, ‘I see the light at the end of the tunnel.’ It was a mistake to say, ‘Yes, we’re going to do testing, but I don’t think we need it.’ Those were all mistakes.”

[bilzfancy]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Cuomo suggested that if we really want a reset, it is President Trump who must get the ball rolling. “It was a mistake to downplay covid,” the governor said. “It was a mistake to say, ‘It’s just the flu.’ It was a mistake to say, ‘It’s gone by Easter.’ It was a mistake to say, ‘It’s going to magically disappear when it gets warm.’ It was a mistake to say, ‘I see the light at the end of the tunnel.’ It was a mistake to say, ‘Yes, we’re going to do testing, but I don’t think we need it.’ Those were all mistakes.”

But putting positive covid19 patients into nursing homes wasn't a mistake?

[Koko78]

8 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

But putting positive covid19 patients into nursing homes wasn't a mistake?

 

Of course not. He's even got a blue ribbon panel of hand-selected experts who wrote a report saying it wasn't his fault.

 

Blue. Ribbon. Panel.

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

This explains why Cuomo is suddenly pushing to start over from scratch with 100% mandatory US lockdowns for 90 days.

 

I mean, if we should listen to anyone about how to handle Covid, we know Cuomo is the guy.

The Trump model: reported cases go down when you stop testing for them: https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/08/03/with-busiest-florida-testing-sites-closed-new-coronavirus-cases-drop-significantly/

[Tiberius]

Cuomo is right that not only Americans but also governors who listened to Trump wound up failing to take the pandemic seriously. He went on:

It was a mistake to see what we had to do here in New York; the testing, the hospital system, the contact tracing, the close down, the phase reopening, and pay no attention to it. … Six months later, these states still don’t have testing and contact tracing. How can it be? You had six months. Here in New York, we had two weeks. … How did you not expand the capacity of your hospital system? How did you not locate additional staff? How did you not locate additional PPE? You had six months. The reason they didn’t, because they were listening to the president. There is no issue. There is no problem. It was a mistake. Tell them the truth. The truth is, covid is serious. It is deadly serious, and it’s deadly serious for all of us.

[Magox]

Great news!

 

Looks like what we've been discussing over the past 6 weeks seems highly likely.   Our theories on herd-like immunity at 20% COVID-19 antibody infection levels seems to be all but officially confirmed.      I remember it was discussed early on and it was Sweden who first made this observation, not because of the T-Cell immunities from previous human coronaviruses but that 17% was their burnout level.  Now we have a pretty clear indication that it's because of T-cell's from past common colds that help us fight this virus.

 

This is a pretty big major F'ing deal and should significantly alter how we view COVID-19.  More money should be put into this so that it can be positively confirmed.

 

 

[Tiberius]

17 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

But putting positive covid19 patients into nursing homes wasn't a mistake?

Depends on what your goal is...