The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[123719bwiqrb]

6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

More bad news for those with mild symptoms:  

 

Dr. John Swartzberg, clinical professor emeritus of infectious diseases and vaccinology in the the UC Berkeley-UCSF Joint Medical Program:

 

”There is evidence now that the virus can directly attack heart muscle cells, and there’s also evidence that the cytokine storm that the virus triggers in the body not only damages the lungs, but can damage the heart,”   https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/COVID-19-damage-of-the-heart-15437575.php  
Boston Red Sox pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez, 27, on Sunday confirmed that he was suffering from myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, attributed to his coronavirus infection earlier this summer.
 

 

It's attributed to the the COVID.  Or, it could also be:

• Coxsackie B viruses
• Epstein-Barr virus (EBV)
• Cytomegalovirus (CMV)
• Hepatitis C
• Herpes
• HIV
• Parvovirus
• Chlamydia (a common sexually transmitted disease)
• Mycoplasma (bacteria that cause a lung infection)
• Streptococcal (strep) bacteria
• Staphylococcal (staph) bacteria
• Treponema (the cause of syphilis)
• Borrelia (the cause of Lyme disease)
• Fungal and parasitic infections can also cause it.
• Other causes include certain chemicals or allergic reactions to medications or toxins like:
• Alcohol
• Drugs
• Lead
• Spider bites
• Wasp stings
• Snakebites
• Chemotherapy and radiation therapy
• An autoimmune disease that causes inflammation throughout your body, like lupus or rheumatoid arthritis, may also lead to myocarditis.

But it is definitely the COVID.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

1 minute ago, 123719bwiqrb said:

 

It's attributed to the the COVID.  Or, it could also be:

• Coxsackie B viruses
• Epstein-Barr virus (EBV)
• Cytomegalovirus (CMV)
• Hepatitis C
• Herpes
• HIV
• Parvovirus
• Chlamydia (a common sexually transmitted disease)
• Mycoplasma (bacteria that cause a lung infection)
• Streptococcal (strep) bacteria
• Staphylococcal (staph) bacteria
• Treponema (the cause of syphilis)
• Borrelia (the cause of Lyme disease)
• Fungal and parasitic infections can also cause it.
• Other causes include certain chemicals or allergic reactions to medications or toxins like:
• Alcohol
• Drugs
• Lead
• Spider bites
• Wasp stings
• Snakebites
• Chemotherapy and radiation therapy
• An autoimmune disease that causes inflammation throughout your body, like lupus or rheumatoid arthritis, may also lead to myocarditis.

But it is definitely the COVID.

 

Do you have more information than his doctor who attributed it to Covid 19?

[Chef Jim]

7 minutes ago, BillStime said:

More bad news for those with mild symptoms:  

 

Dr. John Swartzberg, clinical professor emeritus of infectious diseases and vaccinology in the the UC Berkeley-UCSF Joint Medical Program:

 

”There is evidence now that the virus can directly attack heart muscle cells, and there’s also evidence that the cytokine storm that the virus triggers in the body not only damages the lungs, but can damage the heart,”   https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/COVID-19-damage-of-the-heart-15437575.php  
Boston Red Sox pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez, 27, on Sunday confirmed that he was suffering from myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, attributed to his coronavirus infection earlier this summer.
 

 

Cytokine Storm = Mild Symptoms?

 

Tool  

[keepthefaith]

5 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Do you have more information than his doctor who attributed it to Covid 19?

 

Don't worry, it's not fatal nor is it permanent.  He's gonna be fine. 

[123719bwiqrb]

33 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Do you have more information than his doctor who attributed it to Covid 19?

 

No, but just like every other viral infection, it can affect the heart.  Nothing "new" to see here - this panic porn is weaksauce.

Edited July 29, 2020 by 123719bwiqrb

[Gary M]

45 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

You are delusional. The actual data does not support your case. Look at all these red states at the top of the list with most new cases.

 

 

Cali is hardly red, viruses don't care about politics, and as I said earlier  those states are catching up. virus gonna virus.

 

BTW the top 8 combined still don't have as many deaths as NY,  so I would have to say NY had the worst response possible.

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, GG said:

 

My guess is that @Magox is referring to TSW, not the dark outpost that is PPP

 

Plenty of other places to go. OTW's discussion is much more informative. This place has more posts but 80% are just people throwing insults. 

[RiotAct]

2 minutes ago, Gary M said:

BTW the top 8 combined still don't have as many deaths as NY,  so I would have to say NY had the worst response possible.

that’s pretty amazing when you think about it.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

 This place has more posts but 80% are just people throwing insults. 

 

***** off!! No it's not!!

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

Cali is hardly red, viruses don't care about politics, and as I said earlier  those states are catching up. virus gonna virus.

 

BTW the top 8 combined still don't have as many deaths as NY,  so I would have to say NY had the worst response possible.

 

Nine of the top 10 U.S. coronavirus hot spots are in Florida and Texas

 

The virus is out of control Gary - I really don't care what you think.

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

Cali is hardly red, viruses don't care about politics, and as I said earlier  those states are catching up. virus gonna virus.

 

BTW the top 8 combined still don't have as many deaths as NY,  so I would have to say NY had the worst response possible.

 

And I'd like a sortable version of that spreadsheet.  He's only looking at one data point: New Cases.  Garbage In/Garbage Out. 

Just now, BillStime said:

 

Nine of the top 10 U.S. coronavirus hot spots are in Florida and Texas

 

The virus is out of control Gary - I really don't care what you think.

 

And I'm a "why" person.  Why is it they are hot spots?  You see one thing and one things only.  Politics.  

[BillStime]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

And I'd like a sortable version of that spreadsheet.  He's only looking at one data point: New Cases.  Garbage In/Garbage Out. 

 

Jim, the website link is above.

 

No one is contesting that NY has the highest number of deaths...

 

But where are we today? Where are the hot spots? Mostly in red states with the exception of California.

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

What the hell would a friggin ophthalmologist know about covid anyway?  

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51364382

 

 

 

I have no idea what an ophthalmologist might know about COVID-19, but ... there are diseases an ophthalmologist might be able to diagnose before a person might have diagnosed from another types of doctor - diabetes for one.  Has anyone read anything about COVID-19 impacting the eyes? (I have not, I am genuinely curious and asking.)

 

[Chef Jim]

57 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

You are delusional. The actual data does not support your case. Look at all these red states at the top of the list with most new cases.

 

 

No I'm looking for the sortable version of this spreadsheet to sort all the data not just the new cases.  

 

Why do you think the "hot spots" are in places like Florida and Texas?  Politics?  Seriously?? 

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I have no idea what an ophthalmologist might know about COVID-19, but ... there are diseases an ophthalmologist might be able to diagnose before a person might have diagnosed from another types of doctor - diabetes for one.  Has anyone read anything about COVID-19 impacting the eyes? (I have not, I am genuinely curious and asking.)

 

 

Why haven't you reached out to your Brietbart sponsored doctor who sees a low-cost drug working in the field for advice? She is so resourceful.

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

No I'm looking for the sortable version of this spreadsheet to sort all the data not just the new cases.  

 

Why do you think the "hot spots" are in places like Florida and Texas?  Politics?  Seriously?? 

 

Who are the governors of those states? Who opened too soon, too fast and too irresponsibly and are currently experiencing the consequences of those actions?

 

 

 

[Gary M]

11 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Nine of the top 10 U.S. coronavirus hot spots are in Florida and Texas

 

The virus is out of control Gary - I really don't care what you think.

 

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Jim, the website link is above.

 

No one is contesting that NY has the highest number of deaths...

 

But where are we today? Where are the hot spots? Mostly in red states with the exception of California.

You sir, are a total idiot! Almost all of the deaths were in NY City and the surrounding metro area. Not, NY State. And now you want to compare it to the entire coast to coast southern region of the country? The virus hasn’t gotten worse. It’s gotten better! And....you are CLUELESS about California. It’s a 100% left leaning state. We’ve done everything recommended by everyone since the inception of this nonsense and now it’s just our turn to get the virus. Once again YOU ARE A MORON!

[Big Blitz]

11 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Nine of the top 10 U.S. coronavirus hot spots are in Florida and Texas

 

The virus is out of control Gary - I really don't care what you think.

 

 

Why?

 

Which patients received no care?

 

And which hospitals became that 1 hospital in Northen Italy CBS News used to say it was a NYC hospital back in late March.  Which ones?  Where in America is the number of patients overwhelming us?

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

You sir, are a total idiot! Almost all of the deaths were in NY City and the surrounding metro area. Not, NY State. And now you want to compare it to the entire coast to coast southern region of the country? The virus hasn’t gotten worse. It’s gotten better! And....you are CLUELESS about California. It’s a 100% left leaning state. We’ve done everything recommended by everyone since the inception of this nonsense and now it’s just our turn to get the virus. Once again YOU ARE A MORON!

 

oh. ok. thanks deek

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

It's more embarrassing than that. Their states literally have explained that if you sit at a bar and just have a drink, you can get Covid, but if you order THEIR definition of food to go with that drink, you won't get Covid.

 

Imagine hearing that explanation and saying "You know, this Cuomo/Newsome guy is pretty intelligent!"

There is a ton of that... Federal workers in DC apparently are impervious to COVID-19, but everyone else can catch or spread it, so those people should wear a mask. People who sing in church can catch or spread COVID-19, but screaming "***** You!" at police while rioting and looting? The looters and rioters are immune. People can be squished on a plane and be fine, but do not fill an open air stadium with sports fans. Those scuzzy sports fans will catch or spread it. Daycare centers can remain open, Ys can take care of children, but going to school? Everyone is gonna diiiiiiiiiiiiiiie. Cuomo can go to Georgia and not have to self-quarantine on return because he is an "essential employee" and apparently COVID-19 doesn't infect "essential employees."  (and on and on and on)

But yeah, sure, a black, female doctor from Africa who has reported her in-field findings with a 50¢ per dosage medicine is the crazy one.

Note: I have no idea if that doctor is certifiable or not. But shesh people, if you do not want to listen to her in-field findings, how about the other doctors who reported the same type of findings at the same time? You gonna go sorting through their beliefs too to see if they align with yours, and then, maybe, possibly, listen to their findings? Or nawwww?

 

[Gary M]

19 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

 

 

Who are the governors of those states? Who opened too soon, too fast and too irresponsibly and are currently experiencing the consequences of those actions?

 

 

I believe the real question is why didn't NY close faster!!!  Like in November.

 

You think this virus is out of control?

 

0.28% of the worlds population has been infected.

 

Edited July 29, 2020 by Gary M

[Chef Jim]

11 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Why haven't you reached out to your Brietbart sponsored doctor who sees a low-cost drug working in the field for advice? She is so resourceful.

 

Who are the governors of those states? Who opened too soon, too fast and too irresponsibly and are currently experiencing the consequences of those actions?

 

 

 

 

You conveniently missed a big one.  

 

And funny how you blame the governors but you post a pic of Trump.  Trump Trump Trump Trump.  Tool 

 

There are study after study suggesting that the damage done to people's financial and mental health by not reopening will greatly outweigh the damage done by the virus.  

 

 

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

I believe the real question is why didn't NY close faster!!!

 

You think this virus is out of control?

 

0.28% of the worlds population has been infected.

 

 

If only Trump was forthcoming with his intelligence in November 2019 150,000+ Americans wouldn't be dead.

 

Trump's incompetence, lack of leadership, and dereliction of duty has led to so many unnecessary pain and suffering.

 

Thank you for his support - all these dead people appreciate it.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

You conveniently missed a big one.  

 

And funny how you blame the governors but you post a pic of Trump.  Trump Trump Trump Trump.  Tool 

 

There are study after study suggesting that the damage done to people's financial and mental health by not reopening will greatly outweigh the damage done by the virus.  

 

 

 

Who are these submissive red state governors looking to appease?  YOU TOOL!

[Gary M]

5 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

If only Trump was forthcoming with his intelligence in November 2019 150,000+ Americans wouldn't be dead.

 

Trump's incompetence, lack of leadership, and dereliction of duty has led to so many unnecessary pain and suffering.

 

Thank you for his support - all these dead people appreciate it.

 

Not sure where you get this November thing, the WHO didn't announce that  Kung Flu could be transmitted human to human until January.

 

So you are claiming that Trump knew more than the WHO?

 

Virus going to virus, no grandstanding by a politician is going to stop it, all we could do was slow it down.

 

And I am certain a good  statistician could show you that all the countries have about the same number of infection/100k population, the variation in numbers after factoring numbers of people tested.

Edited July 29, 2020 by Gary M

[BillsFanNC]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I have no idea what an ophthalmologist might know about COVID-19, but ... there are diseases an ophthalmologist might be able to diagnose before a person might have diagnosed from another types of doctor - diabetes for one.  Has anyone read anything about COVID-19 impacting the eyes? (I have not, I am genuinely curious and asking.)

 

My post was in response to an earlier one by one of our trolls under their new name of the week, who quoted an article saying that two of the doctors from the Frontline doc group were ophthalmologists...as if an eye doc has no authority to chime in on covid. My point in posting the article was that the Wuhan doctor who first noticed covid cases and blew the whistle on the CCP was in fact an ophthalmologist himself.

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

Not sure where you get this November thing, the WHO didn't announce that  Kung Flu could be transmitted human to human until January.

 

So you are claiming that Trump knew more than the WHO?

 

Virus going to virus, no grandstanding by a politician is going to stop it, all we could do was slow it down.

 

And I am certain a good station could show you that all the countries have about the same number of infection/100k population, the variation in numbers after factoring numbers of people tested.

You don’t think the most POWERFUL country in the world didn’t have this intelligence? 
 

Trump knew about this way before he acted. 

[Big Blitz]

12 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

 

Who are the governors of those states? Who opened too soon, too fast and too irresponsibly and are currently experiencing the consequences of those actions?

 

 

 

 

 

When you look at a State like Florida's daily new cases count, what exactly was telling you they reopened too soon?  That the outbreak happened when they did?  That's called nature/science.  

 

From March 20 to June 1, they were averaging about as many new cases a day as the State of New York was averaging deaths for the month of April. 

 

So if that metric requires lockdowns, then why is NY reopening?  Those current new case numbers in NY are the numbers Florida had for the first 2 months of this.  

 

How do you tell your voters after TWO PLUS MONTHS OF NOTHING "yea we need to not reopen." 

 

This is just so stupid.  

[fansince88]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

HA HA HA! Who cares if she has sex with space aliens! She said something Trump thought he could get the little people to believe, to kill more people. 

I would love to see the evidential findings that this killed people that were going to live without it.  Ha Ha Ha

[Gary M]

8 minutes ago, BillStime said:

You don’t think the most POWERFUL country in the world didn’t have this intelligence? 
 

Trump knew about this way before he acted. 

 

No China and WHO were hiding it !!!!!

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 hours ago, Tiberius said:

HA HA HA! Who cares if she has sex with space aliens! She said something Trump thought he could get the little people to believe, to kill more people. 

 

 

....just curious....what number were you?..............

[Big Blitz]

6 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

Not sure where you get this November thing, the WHO didn't announce that  Kung Flu could be transmitted human to human until January.

 

So you are claiming that Trump knew more than the WHO?

 

Virus going to virus, no grandstanding by a politician is going to stop it, all we could do was slow it down.

 

And I am certain a good  statistician could show you that all the countries have about the same number of infection/100k population, the variation in numbers after factoring numbers of people tested.

 

 

 

I don't get this either.  The whole "he knew in November" thing.

 

 

If that's the case, something absolutely happened at the World Military Games in Wuhan.

 

It's amazing how little attention that gets.  Those events were in Wuhan in October.  I'm sure nothing happened.  

[shoshin]

45 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

There is a ton of that... Federal workers in DC apparently are impervious to COVID-19, but everyone else can catch or spread it, so those people should wear a mask. People who sing in church can catch or spread COVID-19, but screaming "***** You!" at police while rioting and looting? The looters and rioters are immune. People can be squished on a plane and be fine, but do not fill an open air stadium with sports fans. Those scuzzy sports fans will catch or spread it. Daycare centers can remain open, Ys can take care of children, but going to school? Everyone is gonna diiiiiiiiiiiiiiie. Cuomo can go to Georgia and not have to self-quarantine on return because he is an "essential employee" and apparently COVID-19 doesn't infect "essential employees."  (and on and on and on)

But yeah, sure, a black, female doctor from Africa who has reported her in-field findings with a 50¢ per dosage medicine is the crazy one.

Note: I have no idea if that doctor is certifiable or not. But shesh people, if you do not want to listen to her in-field findings, how about the other doctors who reported the same type of findings at the same time? You gonna go sorting through their beliefs too to see if they align with yours, and then, maybe, possibly, listen to their findings? Or nawwww?

 

 

The HCQ discussion is ongoing. So far here, I only see people talking about how our president should not be quoting doctors who think that demon-seed causes disease as a credible source in the middle of a pandemic. 

 

Is that really too much to ask? Are your expectations for Trump that low? 

Edited July 29, 2020 by shoshin

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Gary M said:

 

No China and WHO were hiding it !!!!!

 

You're telling me that the Trump administration didn't know about a virus - coming out of a Wuhan lab - that the US has partially funded - and the first death related to this virus was November 17, 2019? Do we live in a bubble? It's laughable when Trumpettes blame the WHO.... We don't need the WHO to advise US intelligence.

 

[IDBillzFan]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

The HCQ discussion is ongoing. So far here, I only see people talking about how our president should not be quoting doctors who think that demon-seed causes disease as a credible source in the middle of a pandemic. 

 

Is that really too much to ask? 

 

Actually, what you actually see are people talking about how all social media platforms decided to ban that video and anyone who posts it. 

 

That should bother you. It clearly doesn't. But it should.

[shoshin]

Just now, IDBillzFan said:

 

Actually, what you actually see are people talking about how all social media platforms decided to ban that video and anyone who posts it. 

 

That should bother you. It clearly doesn't. But it should.

 

That discussion isn't actually part of this thread that I've seen--but maybe it's on other parts of this site. I keep raising that our president quoted a tweet that highlighted the demon-seed alien DNA "doctor." 

 

If people want to view kooky stuff, have at it. Seems like Twitter is all about finding your echo chamber. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Actually, what you actually see are people talking about how all social media platforms decided to ban that video and anyone who posts it. 

 

That should bother you. It clearly doesn't. But it should.

 

...sad how reliance on "social media platforms" is taken as "fact and gospel".......unchecked, unverified and unsubstantiated but the PERFECT fuel to fan the fire......much like the basement babble polluting any constructive dialogue here.......safety from under your desk with your keyboard creates expansive gonads......sad stuff.....remember YEARS AGO when folks needed "press credentials"?.....today it's a roll of Charmin....USED......

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Actually, what you actually see are people talking about how all social media platforms decided to ban that video and anyone who posts it. 

 

That should bother you. It clearly doesn't. But it should.

 

They did the right thing. Brietbart/Tea Party organized events are not credible; especially from a group just created last week.

[Gary M]

6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

You're telling me that the Trump administration didn't know about a virus - coming out of a Wuhan lab - that the US has partially funded - and the first death related to this virus was November 17, 2019? Do we live in a bubble? It's laughable when Trumpettes blame the WHO.... We don't need the WHO to advise US intelligence.

 

 

The first reported cases were in December.

 

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

 

The November case wasn't identified until later.

 

https://www.livescience.com/first-case-coronavirus-found.html

 

FTA: On Dec. 27, Dr. Zhang Jixian, head of the respiratory department at Hubei Provincial Hospital, reported to health officials in China that a novel coronavirus was causing the disease; by that day, it had infected more than 180 individuals. (Doctors may not have been aware of all of those cases at the time, but only identified those cases after going back over the records, the Morning Post reported.)

 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

The first reported cases were in December.

 

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

 

The November case wasn't identified until later.

 

https://www.livescience.com/first-case-coronavirus-found.html

 

FTA: On Dec. 27, Dr. Zhang Jixian, head of the respiratory department at Hubei Provincial Hospital, reported to health officials in China that a novel coronavirus was causing the disease; by that day, it had infected more than 180 individuals. (Doctors may not have been aware of all of those cases at the time, but only identified those cases after going back over the records, the Morning Post reported.)

 

 

The truth will come out.

[realtruelove]

4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...sad how reliance on "social media platforms" is taken as "fact and gospel".......unchecked, unverified and unsubstantiated but the PERFECT fuel to fan the fire......much like the basement babble polluting any constructive dialogue here.......safety from under your desk with your keyboard creates expansive gonads......sad stuff.....remember YEARS AGO when folks needed "press credentials"?.....today it's a roll of Charmin....USED......

MSM is worse than social media platforms when it comes to misinformation and more importantly, censorship.