BisonMan Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 I like how he analyzes failed plays. He’s not a Bills homer. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Josh isn't perfect but most if not all 2nd year QBS aren't. Heck Brady was atrocious against the Ravens. We need to stop criticizing Josh so much for his bad plays but praise him for the good ones he does make. Kid is a baller and our franchise QB. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 40 minutes ago, DJB said: Josh isn't perfect but most if not all 2nd year QBS aren't. Heck Brady was atrocious against the Ravens. We need to stop criticizing Josh so much for his bad plays but praise him for the good ones he does make. Kid is a baller and our franchise QB. Are you a Josh Allen fan or a fan of the Buffalo Bills? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, BisonMan said: I like how he analyzes failed plays. He’s not a Bills homer. I think @Scorp83 posted this when it first came out, but it's way off the top few pages on the board now and really worth a look so good on ya I've subscribed to this guy. He sees stuff a bunch of detail that 'rings true' that some of the "all 22" assessments that guys who actually haven't played or coached miss. Not to say he's gonna be always right but he's def. worth a read. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 11 hours ago, DJB said: Josh isn't perfect but most if not all 2nd year QBS aren't. Heck Brady was atrocious against the Ravens. True. Why was Brady atrocious? In part because the Ravens D made him so. This context gets missed. The Pats D has been averaging 12-13 points per game allowed. Now I grant that's a bit skewed by them skunking the Jets and Dolphins and limiting the Steelers to 3 and the Redskins to 7, but the point is: the only offenses that have scored more than 17 points against them this year were the Ravens, KC, and Houston. The "streaking" Danny Dimes scored 14 and threw for 161 yds and 3 picks. Did Josh leave opportunities on the table in the games we've lost (heck, in the games we've won) Yes. But he's doing all right for an "athlete playing QB" as some have called him. Quote We need to stop criticizing Josh so much for his bad plays but praise him for the good ones he does make. Um, No? He makes bad plays & leaves makeable plays on the field, he opens himself for criticism. Fair. The thing is, some people tend to be highly polarized and over the top, which is getting a bit wearying. But just as "all that is gold does not glitter", all who criticize are not "Haters" Quote Kid is a baller and our franchise QB. Kid is a baller no doubt, but no - he's not shown that he's our franchise QB yet. He needs to show more consistency and take a step. He knows it. The Bills know it. I have way more confidence that he CAN take that step after what I've seen this season - but he's gotta do it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Great video. The game is much more complicated than the average fan can understand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Really good video. That Baltimore D is suffocating. And we need to make a receiver a top priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMan Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Great video. The game is much more complicated than the average fan can understand. That's what I like most about this guy's analysis. While watching one of the plays where Josh bailed from the pocket, I was thinking to myself that he panicked. As that thought bubble was leaving my head the guy immediately tells me why bailing was the right move that the average viewer wouldn't understand. That's next level mind reading...and great analysis you don't see on TV. I especially liked the reaming he gave Smoke Brown for a terrible route on the last play of the Raven's game that could have tied the game. Also, I watched the Monday night game between the Packers and Vikings and specifically watched the QB's passes and imagined it was Josh each time. There were a number of pretty terrible throws by both QBs that missed open receivers by a wide margin. Josh makes those throws and they're on the next day's highlight (er...lowlight) reel. I agree that both Rogers and Cousins have earned more leeway in their play given their success but the "narrative" for Josh won't change until he's holding up the Lombardi Trophy next year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 3 hours ago, DJB said: Josh isn't perfect but most if not all 2nd year QBS aren't. Heck Brady was atrocious against the Ravens. We need to stop criticizing Josh so much for his bad plays but praise him for the good ones he does make. Kid is a baller and our franchise QB. There is a difference between analysis and criticism. Josh has to make that throw to Knox in the endzone on second and goal. It is a throw that needs to be completed more than 90% of the time. Knox was wide open by NFL standards. At the same time there are maybe 10 other QBs in the league that make the throw to Knox right before the half and probably less than 5 that can make the off the back foot throw to Brown for a 53 yard TD. Turnovers are down. That is the most important issue in year two. Now he just needs to make a couple more routine plays a game that will extend drives and put the offense in easier situations. The hero moments will continue to be made either running or throwing. Lastly I hope McD doesn’t scare the kid into playing too conservatively on the road in the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 6 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: There is a difference between analysis and criticism. Josh has to make that throw to Knox in the endzone on second and goal. It is a throw that needs to be completed more than 90% of the time. Knox was wide open by NFL standards. OK, I agree with that. I can point out that Josh didn't use his mobility to best give himself a bit more time to set and make a good throw. I don't know exactly how Knox was supposed to run that route, bear in mind. Now what play did we call on 1st and goal? And how did the result of that play impact Josh's ability, potentially speaking and practically speaking, to make that throw to Knox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 12 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Are you a Josh Allen fan or a fan of the Buffalo Bills? cut the crusade dude, Josh is the Buffalo Bills franchise QB and if you dont like it you can go root for the Patriots like you usually do. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: cut the crusade dude, Josh is the Buffalo Bills franchise QB and if you dont like it you can go root for the Patriots like you usually do. Complete nonsense. Josh has a LOT of work to do to get to that level. He's still very much a raw project. Every single person here wants him to succeed, it's just that we may be divided on how close he is to that goal and/or how likely it is that he'll reach it. His decision making, processing speed, and accuracy still isn't good enough, especially when he needs to make a play. He's doing a better job than he did last year, but he needs to be twice as good by the end of next season, or I'll be wanting serious competition. You can't win a lot of games in this league against top teams if you can't get rid of the ball quickly and hit vertical routes down the field. Good Defenses can make this team one dimensional right now to force Josh to attempt plays he's had a hell of a time converting. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Very fair analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Lamar Jackson is doing great but look at what Baltimore’s FO has done to enhance his strengths. Rebuilt OL, TEs, big WRs, a power RB. Play design centered around his skill set. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Lamar Jackson is doing great but look at what Baltimore’s FO has done to enhance his strengths. Rebuilt OL, TEs, big WRs, a power RB. Play design centered around his skill set. And, do not let him throw any passes outside the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Lamar Jackson is doing great but look at what Baltimore’s FO has done to enhance his strengths. Rebuilt OL, TEs, big WRs, a power RB. Play design centered around his skill set. And it kills me that the Bills focus almost solely on the D & Allen could be so much further ahead with help & smarter play calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 21 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Are you a Josh Allen fan or a fan of the Buffalo Bills? are you a buffalo bills fan? I am, so that includes JA. what kind of question is that anyway? I'm guessing you claim to be a bills fan, just not a fan of JA. you must be waiting for the next man up. don't hold your breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: And it kills me that the Bills focus almost solely on the D & Allen could be so much further ahead with help & smarter play calling. Are you serious? Most of the new acquisitions this summer were on offense. Yes before it was heavily focused on the defense, but they really addressed this last summer. Is it a finished process? Of course not, it never is anyway, but 2020 is looking great with how Beane has proven to be wise so far and all the cap space he can play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: Are you serious? Most of the new acquisitions this summer were on offense. Yes before it was heavily focused on the defense, but they really addressed this last summer. Is it a finished process? Of course not, it never is anyway, but 2020 is looking great with how Beane has proven to be wise so far and all the cap space he can play with. But the Offensive rankings have been 29, 30 & 24 the past three years (Yards). In 2016 they were 16th, which tells you how far they dropped with the arrival of McD..... They have improved, however look at Arizona's improvement, SF's, Baltimore or Tennessee..... Yes I expected a much better offense & still not happy with their offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: But the Offensive rankings have been 29, 30 & 24 the past three years (Yards). In 2016 they were 16th, which tells you how far they dropped with the arrival of McD..... They have improved, however look at Arizona's improvement, SF's, Baltimore or Tennessee..... Yes I expected a much better offense & still not happy with their offense. I'm not saying the offense doesn't need improvement, we agree on that. But you basically say Beane and McD neglect the offense while 80% of their signings this year went to the offense. One year isn't enough to solve everything but we have to give credit for the determined plan and effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: I'm not saying the offense doesn't need improvement, we agree on that. But you basically say Beane and McD neglect the offense while 80% of their signings this year went to the offense. One year isn't enough to solve everything but we have to give credit for the determined plan and effort. And the signings were not star/impact players, but complimentary players..... That is & always is the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 12 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: Complete nonsense. Josh has a LOT of work to do to get to that level. He's still very much a raw project. Every single person here wants him to succeed, it's just that we may be divided on how close he is to that goal and/or how likely it is that he'll reach it. His decision making, processing speed, and accuracy still isn't good enough, especially when he needs to make a play. He's doing a better job than he did last year, but he needs to be twice as good by the end of next season, or I'll be wanting serious competition. You can't win a lot of games in this league against top teams if you can't get rid of the ball quickly and hit vertical routes down the field. Good Defenses can make this team one dimensional right now to force Josh to attempt plays he's had a hell of a time converting. not nonsense he hates Josh which is a big difference than he needs work. Also he he secretly loves the pats and openly loves mike Schopp, anyone who can do that has issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: not nonsense he hates Josh which is a big difference than he needs work. Also he he secretly loves the pats and openly loves mike Schopp, anyone who can do that has issues. I like Mike Schopp enough. He's smart, articulate, and has interesting takes. He gets a bit too short with people and has a "my way or the highway" attitude, but I don't write him off for it. I don't go out of my way for him, but he's a way better radio personality than Bulldog, and probably the best that Buffalo has to offer. It's just been cool to hate on him for so long that many people have forgotten why they claim to not like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 6 hours ago, Jerome007 said: I'm not saying the offense doesn't need improvement, we agree on that. But you basically say Beane and McD neglect the offense while 80% of their signings this year went to the offense. One year isn't enough to solve everything but we have to give credit for the determined plan and effort. They restocked the pantry with tuna and beans Next year we go get steak and lobster There is a reason we have all that cap space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 On 12/25/2019 at 1:32 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think @Scorp83 posted this when it first came out, but it's way off the top few pages on the board now and really worth a look so good on ya I've subscribed to this guy. He sees stuff a bunch of detail that 'rings true' that some of the "all 22" assessments that guys who actually haven't played or coached miss. Not to say he's gonna be always right but he's def. worth a read. Is he a player or a coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 33 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I like Mike Schopp enough. He's smart, articulate, and has interesting takes. He gets a bit too short with people and has a "my way or the highway" attitude, but I don't write him off for it. I don't go out of my way for him, but he's a way better radio personality than Bulldog, and probably the best that Buffalo has to offer. It's just been cool to hate on him for so long that many people have forgotten why they claim to not like him. I listened to mike for ten years and just could not stand him any longer so its not cool for me, hes terrible and a contrarian. One of the last straws was when he said he would hate to be a patriots fans because it would be terrible to win all the time. That has to be one of the stupidest things in sports ive ever heard and hes probably just trolling, but i dont listen for trolls i want serious football discussion, which he sorely lacks at because he doesn't care about football and wants to talk about his fantasy teams. He even said he'd rather his fantasy teams wins over the BILLS because "his teams" are more important. Well he can go ***** himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Its maddening the amount of drops this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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