FireChans Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: No one is saying give up. But we need a reliable pass catcher THIS YEAR. Duke was only targeted 8 times during the regular season but caught 7 of those passes. I believe he caught every target in the preseason. The Bills and Josh Allen in particular need a reliable pass catcher like that in certain situations THIS YEAR! This isn't a long term thing for Duke. Is there a big reliable pass catching WR in the draft? If there is and he's worthy of a 1st round pick I expect we target him in the draft and then Duke is likely not even on the roster next year... BUT... this team is playing for THIS year. Activate Duke because he's the most surehanded guy we have on this team. 8 targets is an extremely small sample size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I didn't read all 7 pages of posts. But here's the answer if it hasn't been mentioned before: Duke contributes Zero to special teams. He's a good receiver worthy of a bubble roster spot ..IF.. he did something on special teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 minute ago, boater said: I didn't read all 7 pages of posts. But here's the answer if it hasn't been mentioned before: Duke contributes Zero to special teams. He's a good receiver worthy of a bubble roster spot ..IF.. he did something on special teams. McKenzie had 12 snap counts on ST's all year. None in the last two games. Duke in his limited action has 10. Some of the guys on special teams don't do jack. Im sure Duke isn't that much worse. Is Senorise Perry thaaaaaaat good on ST that Duke cant have a spot on offense instead? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 hours ago, fansince88 said: Dont get me wrong. I am and have been on the Duuuuuuuuuke bandwagon since the summer. That said, this post seemed to be a Knox is no good post. Why they are not playing DW I dont know. No. I’m very excited about Knox’s future, but right now he’s utterly unreliable when it comes to catching the football, and I believe these drops could also have a cumulative impact on Allen and his confidence. Tony Gonzales had a real problem with drops at the beginning of his career by his own admission, but he fixed that with hard work and practice. Knox could do the same, but we’re worrying about THIS YEAR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 54 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Some of the guys on special teams don't do jack If that's the case.. fire McDermott. Though I believe your are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 How many of the thousands of NFL players go from undrafted to CFL to practice squad to underutilized by team to NFL star or even NFL contributor? Not many. Duke has more chance being out of the league next year than being a somebody the Bills regret not giving more of a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Or maybe he could help the offense for a play or to and make a difference. How long did it take them to start using Singletary more? Hell, I still sometimes think Daboll could use him more than he does. Maybe, and I’m not opposed to dressing Duke. My point is that the people that see him every single day believe that this is what he is. That’s not a bad thing and he has a skill set but clearly his separation is a problem. They watch him and think “we are better off with McKenzie or Foster.” They are all kind of the same imo. Each guy has something that he offers but none of them are transforming the offense. Next year they will add a #1 type of guy that attracts coverage and then they will be a good group. Brown is an ideal 2 and Beasley is really tough in the slot. Foster has speed, Duke size and McKenzie is elusive. That feels like you are getting somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Scott7975 said: McKenzie had 12 snap counts on ST's all year. None in the last two games. Duke in his limited action has 10. Some of the guys on special teams don't do jack. Im sure Duke isn't that much worse. Is Senorise Perry thaaaaaaat good on ST that Duke cant have a spot on offense instead? McKenzie's play in the TN game won the game. Short memories on TBD Duke Williams adds some value, D Williams does not win or lose games. Buffalo needs to learn how to make an effective offense against a blitz/ aggressive defense. Screens/ Draws etc kill those type of defenses. Where was the shovel pass to McKenzie against Baltimore? Where was the draw play? Philadelphia used screens and draws to take the aggressive nature of the Bills Def. It's not rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 minute ago, RocCityRoller said: McKenzie's play in the TN game won the game. Short memories on TBD Duke Williams adds some value, D Williams does not win or lose games. Buffalo needs to learn how to make an effective offense against a blitz/ aggressive defense. Screens/ Draws etc kill those type of defenses. Where was the shovel pass to McKenzie against Baltimore? Where was the draw play? Philadelphia used screens and draws to take the aggressive nature of the Bills Def. It's not rocket science. Umm Duke's TD catch vs TN WON THE GAME, literally. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said: McKenzie's play in the TN game won the game. Short memories on TBD Duke Williams adds some value, D Williams does not win or lose games. Buffalo needs to learn how to make an effective offense against a blitz/ aggressive defense. Screens/ Draws etc kill those type of defenses. Where was the shovel pass to McKenzie against Baltimore? Where was the draw play? Philadelphia used screens and draws to take the aggressive nature of the Bills Def. It's not rocket science. Um Duke had the game winning TD catch against TN. my point is if they aren’t going to use McKenzie or Foster in jet sweeps and plays like it that they are good at then there is no point having them both active when they can add some versatility to the O instead. even the announcers in the game says what our offense lacks is a receiver with size that can grab a 50/50 ball. That’s what Duke is good at that none of our other receivers are. McKenzie and Foster are the same player. Small guys with speed that haven’t added a whole heck of a lot. Why play both? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 hours ago, boater said: I didn't read all 7 pages of posts. But here's the answer if it hasn't been mentioned before: Duke contributes Zero to special teams. He's a good receiver worthy of a bubble roster spot ..IF.. he did something on special teams. It is just plain silly to sit a productive pass catcher on a team like the Bills to activate a virtually useless ST player, the Bills Need pass catchers now, more than they need a mostly useless ST guy, that could easily be replaced with DW. Go Bills !!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 50 minutes ago, boater said: I didn't read all 7 pages of posts. But here's the answer if it hasn't been mentioned before: Duke contributes Zero to special teams. He's a good receiver worthy of a bubble roster spot ..IF.. he did something on special teams. He played 24% of the snaps on teams against the Titans, 15% against Miami, and 0% against the Eagles From which I think we can conclude...whatever he did on teams in the games, it was not considered to be enough of an ST contribution 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: It is just plain silly to sit a productive pass catcher on a team like the Bills to activate a virtually useless ST player, the Bills Need pass catchers now, more than they need a mostly useless ST guy, that could easily be replaced with DW. Go Bills !!! equally silly to dub a marginal player with a grand total of 8(!) targets in the NFL a “productive pass catcher.” But keep on crusadin’ it’s hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhalen26 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 I think he’s shown he deserves more game time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) I'm hardly qualified to evaluate talent (except as a rank amateur, for what that's worth) but it looks to me that Duke doesn't dress largely because he does not fit in Daboll's offence. He prefers speedy smurfs, lots of them apparently, to a big possession receiver whose skillset relies more on physicality and good hands than it does on the ability to separate. Maybe that's entirely justified, idk. OTOH maybe if Anquan Boldin was on the roster he wouldn't get to dress either. Not saying Duke is Anquan, but Boldin's 40 time was 4.71, pretty much the same as Duke's. Boldin caught lots of balls in traffic when the D was in man and he was a good and smart enuf route runner to find the soft spots in coverage when facing zone. Is Daboll perhaps a little to dogmatic in adhering to his scheme? In the NFL the ability to adjust is generally necessary to avoid predictability. Edited December 15, 2019 by starrymessenger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 11 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: equally silly to dub a marginal player with a grand total of 8(!) targets in the NFL a “productive pass catcher.” But keep on crusadin’ it’s hilarious. Trees/forest, meet Joypoy88, a bit stubborn but an okay human being, ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Foster is not a smurf He plays like one though. I'd like to see Duke in there We lack a receiver who fights through contact in close space and maybe Duke could be that guy. If not can be please run the motion, jet sweeps that Mckenzie is good at. I personally would like to see yeldon in there tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 18 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: Foster is not a smurf He plays like one though. I'd like to see Duke in there We lack a receiver who fights through contact in close space and maybe Duke could be that guy. If not can be please run the motion, jet sweeps that Mckenzie is good at. I personally would like to see yeldon in there tonight Yeldon won’t play because special-teams is going to be really key in this game. The Pittsburgh special teams unit is among the best, if not the best, in the league. Senorise will 100% be the third RB. I would love to see TJ in the offense as well, but it just doesn’t seem like this is in the works this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: Yeldon won’t play because special-teams is going to be really key in this game. The Pittsburgh special teams unit is among the best, if not the best, in the league. Senorise will 100% be the third RB. I would love to see TJ in the offense as well, but it just doesn’t seem like this is in the works this season Game day roster is based to heavy in special teams. I'd rather have Yeldon Hope they have a plan if Singeltary gets dinged Gore all game long is a loss They have been very lucky so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregPersons Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Has tonight's roster been announced? Is Duke inactive again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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