Top 4 passing QB - No winning records

[billsfan1959]

8 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I will play....

3 of the 4 this year were vs CIN, NYJ and MIA. Those were games we had no business needing the late game heroics. JA had played poorly in these games requiring some bad teams to give away games. MIA counts as a comeback but reality is we scored to start the 4th quarter, so technically yes, but not really what I call a comeback win. 

 

Last year he gets credit for:

TEN - We ran the ball basically the entire drive with McCoy and Ivory and kicked a FG to win. 

JAC - Tie game and we scored to start the 4th qtr and we scored on 1st play of the 4th qtr from JAC 14. So technically yes, but not really what is a GWD. 

DET - Scored with about 10 min left in 4th. Yes gets credit for comeback and GWD but...

 

I only debate this because I think people use these 7 GWD stats too loosely. Like it shows how he can play when he needs to so nothing else matters. Just not true. I want him to play well and not need to fight for easy wins - win like we did vs DAL and DEN. Lets see the heroics vs NE or BAL this week. 

 

He is a young QB, playing in his second year, with 9 new starters on offense. They have gotten better throughout the year and, over the last three weeks, they have averaged over 400 yards per game, and won by double digits. If you don't think Allen contributed to that as a passer, then you haven't been watching. So, it seems your argument that you "want him to play well and not need to fight for easy wins" is made at an odd time.

 

Your other argument that "if you fall behind then you better be able to throw the ball" has been answered as well. It doesn't matter at all about the circumstances in which they fell behind in his 7 GWD - the fact is, when they fell behind, he was able to move the ball and score. And, to be honest, with a reliable kicker, the defense stopping the other team on a last minute drive, and a little better effort on a catch by a receiver, Allen would have 3 more game winning drives.

 

He is getting better all the time and has answered your arguments. Not sure why you are continuing to make them. 

 

 

[Reks Ryan]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 I'm in danger of @Chandler#81 smiting me for starting a controversial thread and not staying with it; I wasn't intending to bring up the tired old 300 yd game chestnut.

 

My point was it seemed as though the top passers and top teams were rather less correlated than previous years.

 

Someone above brought up a good point, there have been more QB injuries and some top teams with different QB playing extended time this year (eg New Orleans).  So I went back and looked at top passing offense on yards, rather than passers, and the data look a bit different and really quite close to

 

Some data on passing yards:

2017: 2/12 playoff teams were top 5, 5/12 top 10 for passing yards (this surprised me as being low)

2018: 2/12 playoff teams were top 5, 5/12 top 10 for passing yards (less surprise because of Ravens and Bears)

2019: if the playoffs were held based on record as of now, 2/12 playoff teams were top 5, 4/12 would be top 10.

 

So if there's a shift away from top passing= playoffs teams, it happened  <2017.  The NFL is cyclical and there have been previous cycles where run-heavy teams were succeeding.  2012-2014 comes to mind.

 

For those who want to know how it looks from the other side, each of these years 5/12 playoff teams were in the bottom half of the league for passing. 

But the bottom-half passing teams tend to make an early playoff exit.   I think in a hard-fought game, there can come a time when the team has to be able to hang it on the QB's arm to fly down the field and score and if they can't, they come up short.

 

Right now the Bills (23) are 3rd worst passing of the teams that look playoff-likely, ahead of Steelers (29) or Titans (22) and Ravens (25).

 

 

For 2018 if you look, just at the QBs, not full team Stats. 

 

- Of the top 8 QBs in passing yards, 5/8 made the playoffs

Mahomes, Goff, Luck, Brady, Rivers made it

Big Ben, M. Ryan, Rodgers didn't make it,

 

Of the 2018 AFC playoff teams only Baltimore did not have a QB in the top 12 for passing yards.   

 

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

14 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

 

Ryan Fitzpatrick just racked up 365 yards yesterday. That makes him good?

And the point was he needed 365 yards to win.  Is that so terrible?

7 minutes ago, Reks Ryan said:

For 2018 if you look, just at the QBs, not full team Stats. 

 

- Of the top 8 QBs in passing yards, 5/8 made the playoffs

Mahomes, Goff, Luck, Brady, Rivers made it

Big Ben, M. Ryan, Rodgers didn't make it,

 

Of the 2018 AFC playoff teams only Baltimore did not have a QB in the top 12 for passing yards.   

 

 

 

Shhhhh..... That will upset people.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, Reks Ryan said:

For 2018 if you look, just at the QBs, not full team Stats. 

 

- Of the top 8 QBs in passing yards, 5/8 made the playoffs

Mahomes, Goff, Luck, Brady, Rivers made it

Big Ben, M. Ryan, Rodgers didn't make it,

 

Of the 2018 AFC playoff teams only Baltimore did not have a QB in the top 12 for passing yards.  

 

So I'm not sure whether this is the same on all sites, but this post led me to uncover an anomoly.

 

Generally speaking for most of these guys, the Team Passing and QB Passing stats should be the same, if the QB played all 16 games, which Desean Watson did in 2018.

 

But, Watson is listed at #11 (4165)  on pro-football-reference site, while the Ravens are #17 for passing yards (3781).

 

WTF?  After some calculatin', I figured out the reason for the discrepancy.  They are subtracting sack yards lost from the passing yards for team passing, but not for individual QB passing.  For some QBs that doesn't make too much difference, but for others (Watson, Prescott, Rodgers) it is significant, and I think should be taken into account.

 

So I think you get a more balanced picture looking at the team passing, unless something has gone on like the QB missing significant games.

 

When you make that correction, it lines up with what I said, that in 2018 5 of the 12 playoff teams were in the top 10 for passing yards, and yes, in the AFC 4 QB were in the top 10 for passing yards and 2 QB (Jackson and Watson) were not.  In the AFC, the Cowboys, Bears, Seahawks, and Saints were not (Saints were 12).

 

[blacklabel]

25 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And the point was he needed 365 yards to win.  Is that so terrible?

 

Didn't say it was terrible. It isn't necessary on a game by game basis to constantly throw for over 300 yards in order to win.

 

Lamar Jackson is averaging 211 passing yards per game this season. He has exactly one game where he went for over 300 (a win). He has five games this season where he's failed to crack 200 yards passing, and all five of those games were victories. Throwing for 300 yards each game is not a prerequisite to victory.

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

He is a young QB, playing in his second year, with 9 new starters on offense. They have gotten better throughout the year and, over the last three weeks, they have averaged over 400 yards per game, and won by double digits. If you don't think Allen contributed to that as a passer, then you haven't been watching. So, it seems your argument that you "want him to play well and not need to fight for easy wins" is made at an odd time.

 

Your other argument that "if you fall behind then you better be able to throw the ball" has been answered as well. It doesn't matter at all about the circumstances in which they fell behind in his 7 GWD - the fact is, when they fell behind, he was able to move the ball and score. And, to be honest, with a reliable kicker, the defense stopping the other team on a last minute drive, and a little better effort on a catch by a receiver, Allen would have 3 more game winning drives.

 

He is getting better all the time and has answered your arguments. Not sure why you are continuing to make them. 

 

 

I am not talking at all about his recent play or overall play. My only point was that the game winning drive and comeback win stats get used very liberally and if you actually look at those games they do not meet the argument of what people are generally saying. 

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

I am not talking at all about his recent play or overall play. My only point was that the game winning drive and comeback win stats get used very liberally and if you actually look at those games they do not meet the argument of what people are generally saying. 

 

So, now we are going to disect his game winning drives to show how they are not really game winning drives?

 

Don't you people ever tire of having to continually find new ways to show Allen really isn't a very good QB, just to prove yourselves right?

[ngbills]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

So, now we are going to disect his game winning drives to show how they are not really game winning drives?

 

Don't you people ever tire of having to continually find new ways to show Allen really isn't a very good QB, just to prove yourselves right?

Come on now. Your trying way too hard to twist by statement into an attack on Allen. I did not say he isnt a very good QB in my statements. Again, I just said the stats do not paint the entire picture. No different than those who say him throwing for 300 yards does not matter. It is all relative. 

[LSHMEAB]

I would say it doesn't matter if Allen throws for 300 yards as long as the Bills win, but that's something that will/needs to happen 4 or 5 times a year if he's going to reach the upper echelon.

 

In essence, I don't care that he HASN'T thrown for 300 yards, but it probably needs to start happening next year.

[HOUSE]

I blame the media, you need outrageous stats to get the pudding. Sideways passes are good too

[Kirby Jackson]

25 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I would say it doesn't matter if Allen throws for 300 yards as long as the Bills win, but that's something that will/needs to happen 4 or 5 times a year if he's going to reach the upper echelon.

 

In essence, I don't care that he HASN'T thrown for 300 yards, but it probably needs to start happening next year.

Lamar Jackson is the MVP favorite and has 1 300 yard passing games. He has 5 games under 200 yards. He just beat the top team in football with 105 passing yards. I’m just not sure why people associate 300 yard games with points?
 

The Bills need Josh to score points and limit turnovers. It doesn’t matter how he accomplishes those things and each game different things will be required. Sometimes they may need 40 points. Sometimes they may need 10. There’s no such thing as a game that you need 300 yards passing to win. No outcome is determined by passing yardage. Josh needs to worry about making the points go up not the yardage total. 

[LSHMEAB]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lamar Jackson is the MVP favorite and has 1 300 yard passing games. He has 5 games under 200 yards. He just beat the top team in football with 105 passing yards. I’m just not sure why people associate 300 yard games with points?
 

The Bills need Josh to score points and limit turnovers. It doesn’t matter how he accomplishes those things and each game different things will be required. Sometimes they may need 40 points. Sometimes they may need 10. There’s no such thing as a game that you need 300 yards passing to win. No outcome is determined by passing yardage. Josh needs to worry about making the points go up not the yardage total. 

I don't associate 300 yard passing games with winning. Plenty of garbage time stats are piled up by QB's in 300 yard games.

 

I do believe that in order for the point totals to rise significantly, the 300 yard passing games are just inevitable. 

 

Jackson is the ultimate anomaly at the position right now, so I don't think his stats mean a whole lot in relation to Allen. I'm not obsessed with these 300 yard games and if Allen wins SB's, but never throws for 300 yards, I'm MORE THAN FINE with it. Just don't think it's realistic.

[Rocket94]

41 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I don't associate 300 yard passing games with winning. Plenty of garbage time stats are piled up by QB's in 300 yard games.

 

I do believe that in order for the point totals to rise significantly, the 300 yard passing games are just inevitable. 

 

Jackson is the ultimate anomaly at the position right now, so I don't think his stats mean a whole lot in relation to Allen. I'm not obsessed with these 300 yard games and if Allen wins SB's, but never throws for 300 yards, I'm MORE THAN FINE with it. Just don't think it's realistic.

How many times have we seen it over the years. QB's throwing 300-400 yards when they are in rallying mode or forced in to shoot outs. It is like a 40 Hr guy hitting bombs when the game is out of reach or there is no one on base!

[LSHMEAB]

2 hours ago, Rocket94 said:

How many times have we seen it over the years. QB's throwing 300-400 yards when they are in rallying mode or forced in to shoot outs. It is like a 40 Hr guy hitting bombs when the game is out of reach or there is no one on base!

For sure and that's not the kind of performance I want to see nor do I really care about the arbitrary number of 300.

 

I just feel like he's going to start hitting 300 a few times a season if he takes that next step. I certainly don't sit there and look at box scores worried about 300 yards. He's played 3 outstanding games in a row without hitting 300. But those games just come naturally when a QB truly enters the upper echelon. Allen most certainly has a chance to get there and I'm higher on him than I've ever been. Just pointing out that passing yards may be meaningless in the context of each game, but the top QB's are going to hit that mark 3-5 times a year.

Edited December 3, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[Rocket94]

Just now, LSHMEAB said:

For sure and that's not the kind of performance I want to see nor do I really care about the arbitrary number of 300.

 

I just feel like he's going to start hitting 300 a few times a season if he takes that next step. I certainly don't sit there and look at box scores worried about 300 yard yards. He's played 3 outstanding games in a row without hitting 300. But those games just come naturally when a QB truly enters the upper echelon. Allen most certainly has a chance to get there and I'm higher on him than I've ever been. Just pointing out that passing yards may be meaningless in the context of each game, but the top QB's are going to hit that mark 3-5 times a year.

When Allen starts throwing for 300 yards on a consistent basis, we will know that they will be quality yards...he will have arrived at that point. We can see it coming now.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

I don't associate 300 yard passing games with winning. Plenty of garbage time stats are piled up by QB's in 300 yard games.

 

I do believe that in order for the point totals to rise significantly, the 300 yard passing games are just inevitable. 

 

Jackson is the ultimate anomaly at the position right now, so I don't think his stats mean a whole lot in relation to Allen. I'm not obsessed with these 300 yard games and if Allen wins SB's, but never throws for 300 yards, I'm MORE THAN FINE with it. Just don't think it's realistic.

Oh, I’m not pointing the finger at you. I’m actually of the belief that Josh has a lot of similarities to Jackson in terms of ability to win multiple ways. The game is just changing IMO. You can win different ways if you have unique skill sets.
 

The 300 yard games are inevitable too. I guess my point is that there is no reason to even look at how many 300 yard games a guy has. If he has 6 and his team is 4-8 (hi Phil Rivers) it’s irrelevant. Allen and Jackson have combined for 1 and are 19-5. It’s just an antiquated stat that some people can’t get past. 300 yard passers are 500 over the last 2 years. There’s just a lot of passing now. It isn’t a measure of success; it is a measure of volume. When 300 yard passers win as much as they lose I’m not sure why anyone should care if we have 300 yard passing games or not? If they won 70% of the time, I would care that we had some. 
 

 

Edited December 3, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[Billsfan1972]

10 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

For sure and that's not the kind of performance I want to see nor do I really care about the arbitrary number of 300.

 

I just feel like he's going to start hitting 300 a few times a season if he takes that next step. I certainly don't sit there and look at box scores worried about 300 yards. He's played 3 outstanding games in a row without hitting 300. But those games just come naturally when a QB truly enters the upper echelon. Allen most certainly has a chance to get there and I'm higher on him than I've ever been. Just pointing out that passing yards may be meaningless in the context of each game, but the top QB's are going to hit that mark 3-5 times a year.

And that is the point....  How it has not been done is an indictment on the OC & Coaching.....

 

And stop using Lamar as the example as to it not being relevant.  Baltimore is scoring 34 pts/gm & the 20 vs. SF was their lowest output (in pouring rain).  Buffalo is averaging 21.4 points & that is only due to more scoring the past 3 games (& Miami 2X).  

 

Add to that they've played a much tougher schedule. 

 

[billsfan1959]

19 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And that is the point....  How it has not been done is an indictment on the OC & Coaching.....

 

And stop using Lamar as the example as to it not being relevant.  Baltimore is scoring 34 pts/gm & the 20 vs. SF was their lowest output (in pouring rain).  Buffalo is averaging 21.4 points & that is only due to more scoring the past 3 games (& Miami 2X).  

 

Add to that they've played a much tougher schedule. 

 

 

So, let me get this straight. You are fine with the fact that Lamar Jackson is averaging 211 passing yards a game because the team is scoring 34 points a game; however; you are not fine with Josh Allen averaging 215 passing yards a game because the team is scoring 21 points a game?

 

How does all this fit in with your modern day, throw it 40-50 times for 300 yards a game obsession?

 

You make less and less sense with each new post....

[oldmanfan]

5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

So, let me get this straight. You are fine with the fact that Lamar Jackson is averaging 211 passing yards a game because the team is scoring 34 points a game; however; you are not fine with Josh Allen averaging 215 passing yards a game because the team is scoring 21 points a game?

 

How does all this fit in with your modern day, throw it 40-50 times for 300 yards a game obsession?

 

You make less and less sense with each new post....

Mind boggling at this point.

[Billsfan1972]

9 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

So, let me get this straight. You are fine with the fact that Lamar Jackson is averaging 211 passing yards a game because the team is scoring 34 points a game; however; you are not fine with Josh Allen averaging 215 passing yards a game because the team is scoring 21 points a game?

 

How does all this fit in with your modern day, throw it 40-50 times for 300 yards a game obsession?

 

You make less and less sense with each new post....

Again missing the point.  The Bills for the most part have had an exceedingly easy schedule & until the last three weeks every game they won was undecided into the fourth quarter (i.e. less then a TD).  Baltimore we all know is an anomaly (though Seattle too is running a great deal too this year), but have scored over 20 points every game, while the Bills when they hit that mark is in the 4th & tight games. 

 

Now if the Bills were blowing out teams & scoring 40 points and cruising the second half, I'd have to eat crow & not mention the 300 yard bar.  That however is not the case.,

 

Baltimore has been home & cooled out in 6 games this year.  

 

300 is not a high bar to reach & the fact this offense doesn't is a concern.   

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Mind boggling at this point.

No you are in your incessant need to pile on (as I knew you would)......  ? (just lowering myself to your standard).....

 

 

Edited December 3, 2019 by Billsfan1972

[teef]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

Again missing the point.  The Bills for the most part have had an exceedingly easy schedule & until the last three weeks every game they won was undecided into the fourth quarter (i.e. less then a TD).  Baltimore we all know is an anomaly (though Seattle too is running a great deal too this year), but have scored over 20 points every game, while the Bills when they hit that mark is in the 4th & tight games. 

 

Baltimore has been home & cooled out in 6 games this year.  

 

 

 

 

no one is missing the point.  i just don't think many share the same level of concern for the 300 yard passing game as you do.  

[Royale with Cheese]

13 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Again missing the point.  The Bills for the most part have had an exceedingly easy schedule & until the last three weeks every game they won was undecided into the fourth quarter (i.e. less then a TD).  Baltimore we all know is an anomaly (though Seattle too is running a great deal too this year), but have scored over 20 points every game, while the Bills when they hit that mark is in the 4th & tight games. 

 

Now if the Bills were blowing out teams & scoring 40 points and cruising the second half, I'd have to eat crow & not mention the 300 yard bar.  That however is not the case.,

 

Baltimore has been home & cooled out in 6 games this year.  

 

300 is not a high bar to reach & the fact this offense doesn't is a concern.   

No you are in your incessant need to pile on (as I knew you would)......  ? (just lowering myself to your standard).....

 

 

LOL...he’s not missing the point.  What he said is exactly correct about you.  You have an obsession with the number 300.  
What Josh has done in the last 3 games has been great.  His last game was an elite performance.

12 minutes ago, teef said:

no one is missing the point.  i just don't think many share the same level of concern for the 300 yard passing game as you do.  

Did you know Cooper Kupp has a lot more catches than Sammy Watkins....again?

[billsfan1959]

13 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Again missing the point.  The Bills for the most part have had an exceedingly easy schedule & until the last three weeks every game they won was undecided into the fourth quarter (i.e. less then a TD).  Baltimore we all know is an anomaly (though Seattle too is running a great deal too this year), but have scored over 20 points every game, while the Bills when they hit that mark is in the 4th & tight games. 

 

Now if the Bills were blowing out teams & scoring 40 points and cruising the second half, I'd have to eat crow & not mention the 300 yard bar.  That however is not the case.,

 

Baltimore has been home & cooled out in 6 games this year.  

 

300 is not a high bar to reach & the fact this offense doesn't is a concern.   

No you are in your incessant need to pile on (as I knew you would)......  ? (just lowering myself to your standard).....

 

 

 

You, apparently, do not have a point. You have been going on and on and on, ad nauseum, about modern passing attacks and 300 yard games. Now, all of a sudden, less passing and more running is okay as long as they are scoring a lot of points? Which is it?

 

Over the last three weeks, the Bills have averaged over 400 yards per game and 27.6 PPG, with 2 of those games against the 8th and 9th ranked defenses. By your latest stance you should be happy, and, therefore, end this string of ridiculous posts, no?

[Billsfan1972]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

LOL...he’s not missing the point.  What he said is exactly correct about you.  You have an obsession with the number 300.  
What Josh has done in the last 3 games has been great.  His last game was an elite performance.

 

I've never ever questioned Allen.  I question the OC & coaching that plays for 17-13 games.

 

I've been very happy with the uptick the past three weeks, but want to see 30+ points & 300 yards as something to strive for, not the absolute ceiling.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

I've never ever questioned Allen.  I question the OC & coaching that plays for 17-13 games.

 

I've been very happy with the uptick the past three weeks, but want to see 30+ points & 300 yards as something to strive for, not the absolute ceiling.

 

McDermott has been very public that we need to score more and offense needs to take the next step.  You seem to forget or ignore that Sammy Watkins.

[Ya Digg?]

10 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

You, apparently, do not have a point. You have been going on and on and on, ad nauseum, about modern passing attacks and 300 yard games. Now, all of a sudden, less passing and more running is okay as long as they are scoring a lot of points? Which is it?

 

Over the last three weeks, the Bills have averaged over 400 yards per game and 27.6 PPG, with 2 of those games against the 8th and 9th ranked defenses. By your latest stance you should be happy, and, therefore, end this string of ridiculous posts, no?

And those defenses were ranked 4th and 6th at the time the Bills played them if I'm remembering correctly - they dropped several spots AFTER playing against the Bills

[billsfan1959]

18 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

LOL...he’s not missing the point.  What he said is exactly correct about you.  You have an obsession with the number 300.  
What Josh has done in the last 3 games has been great.  His last game was an elite performance.

 

Ahhh, those certainties in life:  Death....Taxes... Bilsfan1972 screaming for 300 yard passing games....

[Billsatlastin2018]

On 12/1/2019 at 12:50 PM, LABILLBACKER said:

Yeah, this whole obsession with 300 yards is pretty silly. If Josh averaged 250 and 2 tds every week and we won I'd take that for the rest of his career.

The vast majority would, although 2.5 TDs is a better goal.

 

Except, he hasn’t- yet.
 3/12 in 250 yard games and barely over 215 yards average. 

 

Fortunately, he has a Top 5 D to assist him this year. 
 

That said, he looked like a true field General against Dallas. It may be coming.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Ahhh, those certainties in life:  Death....Taxes... Bilsfan1972 screaming for 300 yard passing games....

 

I mean I would love for him to have 300 and 400 yard games.  Just like I would love for Singletary to have 150+ in every game too.  But I'm not going to complain about that if our offense is moving the ball in which they are.  They are moving the chains on first down, scoring in the redzone and getting bigger chunk plays.  

 

Allen has averaged about 230 yards passing in his last 3 games which is roughly about 3,600 yards in a 16 game season.  Add that in with 500 rushing yards....that's a headache for the defense.  Allen is a dual threat who is now (hopefully) starting to reach his potential.  I really think this is just the beginning.

[Billsfan1972]

9 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

The vast majority would, although 2.5 TDs is a better goal.

 

Except, he hasn’t- yet.
 3/12 in 250 yard games and barely over 215 yards average. 

 

Fortunately, he has a Top 5 D to assist him this year. 
 

That said, he looked like a true field General against Dallas. It may be coming.

I hope it is and want him to be a long-term Bill.....  

 

People love to go on and on about me using the 300 yard measure.  It is pathetic that they have not managed it in 45 games (Game 15 of 2016), which is what I unapologetically will keep saying. 

 

How is it that EVERY NFL TEAM  has passed for 300 yards in 2017, 2018 & 2019 except the Bills????

 

McD can say whatever he wants, but it comes down to him.  Remember he's the one who named Peterman his starter, not once but twice?!!!!!!

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I mean I would love for him to have 300 and 400 yard games.  Just like I would love for Singletary to have 150+ in every game too.  But I'm not going to complain about that if our offense is moving the ball in which they are.  They are moving the chains on first down, scoring in the redzone and getting bigger chunk plays.  

 

Allen has averaged about 230 yards passing in his last 3 games which is roughly about 3,600 yards in a 16 game season.  Add that in with 500 rushing yards....that's a headache for the defense.  Allen is a dual threat who is now (hopefully) starting to reach his potential.  I really think this is just the beginning.

And I agree 100% the last three weeks have been fun & the only time this year where games were decided prior to the 4th.

Edited December 3, 2019 by Billsfan1972

[billsfan1959]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I mean I would love for him to have 300 and 400 yard games.  Just like I would love for Singletary to have 150+ in every game too.  But I'm not going to complain about that if our offense is moving the ball in which they are.  They are moving the chains on first down, scoring in the redzone and getting bigger chunk plays.  

 

Allen has averaged about 230 yards passing in his last 3 games which is roughly about 3,600 yards in a 16 game season.  Add that in with 500 rushing yards....that's a headache for the defense.  Allen is a dual threat who is now (hopefully) starting to reach his potential.  I really think this is just the beginning.

 

Allen is a dual threat and has been doing well in both areas - and improving almost every week since the NE game. Matter of fact, he has been comparable to Jackson over the same 8 game stretch:

 

PASSING

                  G     Cmp    Att    Inc    Cmp%    Yds      TD    Int    Rate    Sk    Yds    Y/A    AY/A
Jackson    8    127    188    61      67.55    1422    15      3    109.8    11     42    7.56    8.44
Allen          8    146    235    89      62.13    1688    13      2      98.7     18     95    7.18    7.91

 

RUSHING

                     Att    Yds    Y/A    TD    Fmb    FL    FF    FR
Jackson    104    739    7.11     6       5    1    0    2       
Allen            62    299    4.82     5        7    1    0    3

 

He is getting better and will continue to get better

 

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I hope it is and want him to be a long-term Bill.....  

 

People love to go on and on about me using the 300 yard measure.  It is pathetic that they have not managed it in 45 games (Game 15 of 2016), which is what I unapologetically will keep saying. 

 

How is it that EVERY NFL TEAM  has passed for 300 yards in 2017, 2018 & 2019 except the Bills????

 

McD can say whatever he wants, but it comes down to him.  Remember he's the one who named Peterman his starter, not once but twice?!!!!!!

And I agree 100% the last three weeks have been fun & the only time this year where games were decided prior to the 4th.

 

How is it that even with our terrible offense under McDermott without a 300 yard passer, the Bills have had a WR with more catches every year than Sammy Watkins since 2017?  Especially when he played in the top passing offenses with the Rams and Chiefs????

[teef]

16 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I hope it is and want him to be a long-term Bill.....  

 

People love to go on and on about me using the 300 yard measure.  It is pathetic that they have not managed it in 45 games (Game 15 of 2016), which is what I unapologetically will keep saying. 

 

How is it that EVERY NFL TEAM  has passed for 300 yards in 2017, 2018 & 2019 except the Bills????

 

McD can say whatever he wants, but it comes down to him.  Remember he's the one who named Peterman his starter, not once but twice?!!!!!!

And I agree 100% the last three weeks have been fun & the only time this year where games were decided prior to the 4th.

i wonder why.

[Billsfan1972]

19 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Allen is a dual threat and has been doing well in both areas - and improving almost every week since the NE game. Matter of fact, he has been comparable to Jackson over the same 8 game stretch:

 

PASSING

                  G     Cmp    Att    Inc    Cmp%    Yds      TD    Int    Rate    Sk    Yds    Y/A    AY/A
Jackson    8    127    188    61      67.55    1422    15      3    109.8    11     42    7.56    8.44
Allen          8    146    235    89      62.13    1688    13      2      98.7     18     95    7.18    7.91

 

RUSHING

                     Att    Yds    Y/A    TD    Fmb    FL    FF    FR
Jackson    104    739    7.11     6       5    1    0    2       
Allen            62    299    4.82     5        7    1    0    3

 

He is getting better and will continue to get better

 

As I predicted & want him to be.  Lamar is the flavour of the day.....  Frankly I am more impressed with Allen & what he does under this offense.

 

Can we agree on this??????

Edited December 3, 2019 by Billsfan1972

[oldmanfan]

26 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I hope it is and want him to be a long-term Bill.....  

 

People love to go on and on about me using the 300 yard measure.  It is pathetic that they have not managed it in 45 games (Game 15 of 2016), which is what I unapologetically will keep saying. 

 

How is it that EVERY NFL TEAM  has passed for 300 yards in 2017, 2018 & 2019 except the Bills????

 

McD can say whatever he wants, but it comes down to him.  Remember he's the one who named Peterman his starter, not once but twice?!!!!!!

And I agree 100% the last three weeks have been fun & the only time this year where games were decided prior to the 4th.

You can keep ranting unapologetically about this if you want.  I'm not sure if it's more amusing or sad at this point, but just go right ahead.  You can keep doing so, and keep looking silly, but that's your right to do so.

 

The thing that we all recognize, that is what we keep trying to tell you, is that it doesn't matter.  The only thing that matters in the NFL are wins.  And there are different ways to do so.  The Bills have a very balanced offense right now, a good defense, and that equates to a winning record.  Period.  Dead stop.  End of story.

 

It does not matter a hill of beans what has gone on the last 45 games or whatever.  it does not matter what happened 45 games ago with a different QB and different players on offense and so on.  The only person this seems to matter to on this board is you, and that's because you don't happen to find it "entertaining"  football.  You would apparently rather be entertained than see winning football.  Again that's your right, I suppose, but the continual ranting about this just to assuage your sensibilities is getting ridiculous.  Personally, I find old school football with a power rushing attack and a defense that crushes the life out of the other team enormously entertaining.  But I'm not coming on here repeatedly ranting about how ridiculous it is that we don't have a 200 yard rushing day every game, or that the D doesn't hold teams to less that say 14 points a game. 

 

What will happen when Josh does throw for 300 yards?  First. based on all the data that has been provided and reprovided and reprovided again it's about 50:50 whether that would be in a win vs. a loss.  Are you really going to come on here and say you're satisfied he threw for 300 in a loss?  If you do, then you really have issues.  If they win, I would put money on what comes next.  The next thing will be: Sure, he  did it once.  But he has to show he's capable of doing it all the time.  Even though, for the umpteenth time, it means nothing when it comes to the only thing that matter:  wins.

 

Does it come down to McD?  Sure it does.  He's the coach that has them at 9-3 right now.  He's the coach with a coaching staff that has developed a sound D, a young QB starting to show he's the answer,  he's the coach that along with a pretty savvy GM retooled the O line, brought in some great FW WRs, and on and on.  How many teams in the NFL would love to have a coach and GM like we have right now?  Many.

 

And yet, because you're not entertained enough it's bad?  Like I say, keep ranting unapologetically if you want.  The rest of us care about wins, and we're just delighted thank you.

 

 

 

[billsfan1959]

15 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

As I predicted & want him to be.  Lamar is the flavour of the day.....  Frankly I am more impressed with Allen & what he does under this offense.

 

Can we agree on this??????

 

Yes we can 

[Billsfan1972]

Again why are expectations so low here?????

 

I'll take Brees (81-45), Brady (88-20) & Aaron Rogers (45-20) record when throwing for 300 yards......

 

45 games!!!!!!  Geez is that not long enough?????  

Edited December 3, 2019 by Billsfan1972

[teef]

i'm starting to think that this can't possibly be serious at this point.  is a certain poster just doing this for entertainment?

[Gugny]

29 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Again why are expectations so low here?????

 

I'll take Brees (81-45), Brady (88-20) & Aaron Rogers (45-20) record when throwing for 300 yards......

 

45 games!!!!!!  Geez is that not long enough?????  

 

You do realize that the points are scored when the ball crosses the goal line or goes through the uprights, right?

 

Matt Stafford throws for 5,000 every flipping year and guess what .... the Lions suck every flipping year.

 

You're just being silly.  You've dipped into this well a few too many times and now the jig is up.  It happens.  Rookie mistake.  You'll need to find a new shtick, now. 

 

Best of luck.

[thenorthremembers]

44 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Again why are expectations so low here?????

 

I'll take Brees (81-45), Brady (88-20) & Aaron Rogers (45-20) record when throwing for 300 yards......

 

45 games!!!!!!  Geez is that not long enough?????  

The current leader in the NFL MVP race who people think cannot be stopped by modern defenses has had one 300 career passing day, against the Dolphins, on 15 completions.