SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 IF Buffalo was in dire need. then send a Rep. I don't see a need for the Bills. No vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: The Alt-Right Bosa Bros., are okay, though .. .right? The woman beaters ... okay to turn a blind eye to ... right? Incognito threatens to kill people because they won't let him cut his dead father's head off .... nothing to see here, right? Kaepernick has never broken the law. He doesn't think like you, so you think he shouldn't be allowed to make a living doing what he does best. That's as un-American as it gets. WOW!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, pop gun said: What is peoples infatuation with this guy? He's not a good QB and a questionable personality NFL owners and coaches do not want to deal with the side show that comes with him, it's hard enough dealing with the other 53+ guys on the roster. He's opted out of and turned down contracts in the past, people (GMs, coaches, owners) are done with him IMO! Is this workout real or just a charade because his name hasn't been in the media in a while? he opted out of his one contract because he was going to be released. He has not been offered any contracts to turn down. I don't care either way but just get the facts straight.. I still believe he is better than many backups in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 We have a much more likely answer at the position on our roster and playing. No point imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 10 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Pure fallacy. Getting too far away from football here, but no right to protest while on the job. Anyway, he’s a mediocre QB and a terrible human. I think that this gets to the heart of what a number of folks feel about Kaepernick and his situation. I agree he's a mediocre QB and that plays into what's happened with him. I don't think there's any evidence at all that he's a terrible human, and considerable evidence that he has heartfelt opinions he has every right as an American to express - just not "on the job". There is, on the other hand, considerable evidence that the NFL gives multiple chances to a number of guys who have racked up considerable evidence that they are terrible human beings, or who may be well-intentioned people who have done legit terrible things. Some of them are considerably more talented at their positions than Kaepernick is, and some of them are questionably so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think that this gets to the heart of what a number of folks feel about Kaepernick and his situation. I agree he's a mediocre QB and that plays into what's happened with him. I don't think there's any evidence at all that he's a terrible human, and considerable evidence that he has heartfelt opinions he has every right as an American to express - just not "on the job". There is, on the other hand, considerable evidence that the NFL gives multiple chances to a number of guys who have racked up considerable evidence that they are terrible human beings, or who may be well-intentioned people who have done legit terrible things. Some of them are considerably more talented at their positions than Kaepernick is, and some of them are questionably so. I fully expect you to delete all political posts in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) NOBODY should show up...but you know someone will give the bum a chance. Edited November 13, 2019 by Azucho98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: I fully expect you to delete all political posts in this thread. I see nothing political. It's a social issue, if anything. Adults can have meaningful conversations about social issues. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Gugny said: I see nothing political. It's a social issue, if anything. Adults can have meaningful conversations about social issues. Au contraire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: The Alt-Right Bosa Bros., are okay, though .. .right? The woman beaters ... okay to turn a blind eye to ... right? Incognito threatens to kill people because they won't let him cut his dead father's head off .... nothing to see here, right? Kaepernick has never broken the law. He doesn't think like you, so you think he shouldn't be allowed to make a living doing what he does best. That's as un-American as it gets. I'm not sure what is meant by the "Alt-right Bosa Bros", but if they were to start making hand gestures or wearing articles of clothing associated with the alt-right or otherwise making a point of their political views ON THE FIELD, DURING A GAME, it would be comparable to Kaep's situation. As far as I'm aware, they keep their political views to their private social media and off the field. If Kaep had done likewise, the probability seems very high to me we wouldn't be having this discussion. As far as the various players who have done legit horrible things that the NFL allows on the field - I agree that's a double standard. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Should be entertaining to see what the Girlfriends opinion will be on twitter.. Remember this one comparing Baltimore's owner to a plantation owner. And Ray Lewis as Samuel Jacksons character.... Get the popcorn ready for a lot of chaos and no one signing Kaepernick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 10 hours ago, jaclynrea21 said: If Buffalo bills get cap Me and a lot of people will stop being bills fans Riiiiiight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: I fully expect you to delete all political posts in this thread. I fully expect me to exercise my judgement as a mod about what is and what isn't directly germaine to the football-relevant conversation vs expanding the scope, and you to accept that. Or not, As You Wish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Kaep will be signed next week, according to Stephen A. on ESPN this am, not sure the validity. That is of course, assuming he keeps his mouth shut and doesn't look horrible in the workout, per Stephen A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, nucci said: he opted out of his one contract because he was going to be released. He has not been offered any contracts to turn down. I don't care either way but just get the facts straight.. I still believe he is better than many backups in the league. Hmmm....... seems he actually did turn down Elway and the Broncos. https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/source-kap-not-willing-take-broncos-current-pay-cut-offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 13 hours ago, H2o said: OK mods time to do your job. Get this added to the list of emotes we can use. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, pop gun said: Hmmm....... seems he actually did turn down Elway and the Broncos. https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/source-kap-not-willing-take-broncos-current-pay-cut-offer I read an article quoting his agent that he never received an offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Gugny said: The Alt-Right Bosa Bros., are okay, though .. .right?-wrong. Just because they support Trump, doesnt mean they are the alt. right. The alt. right is basically a hate organization. Lets not jump straight to hyperbole please! The woman beaters ... okay to turn a blind eye to ... right?-yes, you are right here Incognito threatens to kill people because they won't let him cut his dead father's head off .... nothing to see here, right?-MH issue, clearly Kaepernick has never broken the law. He doesn't think like you, so you think he shouldn't be allowed to make a living doing what he does best. That's as un-American as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 12 hours ago, iinii said: Who cares? He is done. He better have the best suits in the room. Could be a ploy to prove there is collusion, especially when no one shows up. No longer relevant. It's been kept quiet, but his collusion case with the NFL was settled for undisclosed terms some time back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I fully expect me to exercise my judgement as a mod about what is and what isn't directly germaine to the football-relevant conversation vs expanding the scope, and you to accept that. Any inclusion of his past social stances is relevant to any discussion of Kaep's future status as a player. He will forever be tied to his stance, whether you think it's germaine or not. Edit. I do acknowledge that I took it there outside of PPP. I'll bow out and... Edited November 13, 2019 by LBSeeBallLBGetBall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 10 hours ago, Gugny said: He was. And look around the league. He still is. And even if he isn't, he's easily a top 64. He's sure as hell better than Matt Barkley. He was worse than Blaine Gabbert, twice. He hasn't played in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: Any inclusion of his past social stances is relevant to any discussion of Kaep's future status as a player. He will forever be tied to his stance, whether you think it's germaine or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Mr. WEO said: He was worse than Blaine Gabbert, twice. He hasn't played in years. Do you think all 32 backup QBs in the league are better than Colin Kaepernick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Gugny said: Do you think all 32 backup QBs in the league are better than Colin Kaepernick? I have no evidence that they are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Mr. WEO said: I have no evidence that they are not. Same here. I think that means he deserves a shot to tryout for a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 10 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Kaepernick should be in the NFL, as a backup. I believe Baltimore is the best fit. Baltimore has a backup they believe to be a good fit, who already knows their playbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No longer relevant. It's been kept quiet, but his collusion case with the NFL was settled for undisclosed terms some time back. The NFL head office and brass is full of some the best corporate lawyers in America. This whole Saturday workout for Kaepernick (which has never been done for any other player) is clearly a plan by the NFL lawyers to finally get rid of Kaepernick and collusion law suit. Kaepernick will show up to an NFL workout this Saturday where I predict no head coaches or GMs will attend. The NFL will video tape it and send out to all 32 teams and all 32 teams will politely say thank you but no thank you and that will be the end of Kaepirnick and the NFL...... Or a team signs him to be a backup and get backlash from fans and possibly lose $$$$ (I dont see that happening). I really dont care either way, its just pure entertainment at this point. I know that the Bills wont be signing Kaepernick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: Do you think all 32 backup QBs in the league are better than Colin Kaepernick? Gungy....We both know this is just an excuse hypocrites hide behind. These people CLEARLY dont want him playing because he kneeled and use "he sucks" as their excuse to feel how they do. These same people dont take that strong of a stance against actual criminals continuing to play in the NFL. You know you are wrong when you have to make up excuses to validate your stance on something. I would have actual respect for these people if they could be real with everyone especially themselves by just coming out and saying I DONT WANT KAEP TO PLAY BECAUSE HE KNEELED. I have no problem with people having different opinions and ideologies than I do (unless it violent or hateful) but I do have an issue with people who try to mask their true feelings. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, StHustle said: Gungy....We both know this is just an excuse hypocrites hide behind. These people CLEARLY dont want him playing because he kneeled and use "he sucks" as their excuse to feel how they do. These same people dont take that strong of a stance against actual criminals continuing to play in the NFL. You know you are wrong when you have to make up excuses to validate your stance on something. I would have actual respect for these people if they could be real with everyone especially themselves by just coming out and saying I DONT WANT KAEP TO PLAY BECAUSE HE KNEELED. I have no problem with people having different opinions and ideologies than I do (unless it violent or hateful) but I do have an issue with people who try to mask their true feelings. But he does suck though, hence the benching. Correct ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 9 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Lol you must watch CNN religiously. He took advantage of a few unfortunate incidents to advance an anti cop anti Caucasian agenda, Even wearing socks depicting cartoon pigs in police uniforms. Yes, he disrespected Police and is supportive of criminals including some who have killed police. He’s a mediocre ballplayer and basically pond scum. Glad you think he’s a great guy, but I can’t agree with you. I think this captures the divide over Kaepernick in a nutshell. To the communities where shootings by police happen with some regularity, these are a pattern, not a "few unfortunate incidents" and if criminal activity has been involved, it's relatively minor stuff that may merit prosecution, but certainly does not merit being shot at much less killed - like allegedly stealing cigarillos. And by the way, as many know I live in the city where a lot of the protests took root and have much deeper knowledge of the situations than many. To others, such as yourself, any criticism of police (however justified it may be) not only represents an "anti cop agenda", it becomes an "anti Caucasian agenda". That's a really big stretch. I see no evidence that Kaepernick fits what I would call "pond scum", beyond holding social and political beliefs you disagree with. Which is your right as an American, provided you don't, as Kaep did, express them at work. I do see football players I would describe as "pond scum" for actions such as abusing children and women and other destructive and illegal activities who have been given 2nd and 3rd and 4th chances and I personally see that as hypocritical on the part of the owners and the league - PROVIDED Kaepernick is willing to compromise and agree to not advance his political views on his employers' time. I don't know whether or not that is the case. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, wppete said: Or a team signs him to be a backup and get backlash from fans and possibly lose $$$$ (I dont see that happening). The sad part is we live in a country where people care more about a man deciding to kneel in protest to mistreatment of his people but are fine with criminals and even players who have killed people drinking and driving continuing to play. No backlash there right? These same people KNOW their stance is BS so they try to blame the reason on lack of talent when Kaep is clearly better then almost all the backups in the league and a few starters. When has there ever been backlash from fans for upgrading the backup position? Even some of the worse acts (like Vick killing dogs) were forgiven after a few years and a prison sentence, yet this guy get a lifetime blackball. SAD!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: But he does suck though, hence the benching. Correct ? He was benched on the 49ers because they thought they had another QB that was better. He filed a collusion case against the NFL because he felt (and I think there's a point) he didn't suck worse over subsequent years than all 64 QB on NFL rosters. The case as I understand it, has been settled for undisclosed terms, which probably is a tacit acknowledgement by the NFL that a judge or a jury would not dismiss that POV out of hand. 3 minutes ago, StHustle said: The sad part is we live in a country where people care more about a man deciding to kneel in protest to mistreatment of his people but are fine with criminals and even players who have killed people drinking and driving continuing to play. No backlash there right? These same people KNOW their stance is BS so they try to blame the reason on lack of talent when Kaep is clearly better then almost all the backups in the league and a few starters. When has there ever been backlash from fans for upgrading the backup position? Even some of the worse acts (like Vick killing dogs) were forgiven after a few years and a prison sentence, yet this guy get a lifetime blackball. SAD!!!! That remains to be seen (the lifetime blackball) which is what, as I understand it, this tryout is about. 16 minutes ago, wppete said: The NFL head office and brass is full of some the best corporate lawyers in America. This whole Saturday workout for Kaepernick (which has never been done for any other player) is clearly a plan by the NFL lawyers to finally get rid of Kaepernick and collusion law suit. Incorrect. Collusion law suit has been settled last February. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nfl-colin-kaepernick-reach-resolution-collusion-case-today-2019-02-15/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, StHustle said: The sad part is we live in a country where people care more about a man deciding to kneel in protest to mistreatment of his people but are fine with criminals and even players who have killed people drinking and driving continuing to play. No backlash there right? These same people KNOW their stance is BS so they try to blame the reason on lack of talent when Kaep is clearly better then almost all the backups in the league and a few starters. When has there ever been backlash from fans for upgrading the backup position? Even some of the worse acts (like Vick killing dogs) were forgiven after a few years and a prison sentence, yet this guy get a lifetime blackball. SAD!!!! Good points. However the truth is if Kaep signs with a team, that will get destroyed on Social Media and media and that will translate in loss of $$$ for that team and the NFL as it is a revenue sharing business to a certain extent. It make no Business sense to sign Kaep at this point to sit and be a backup. But I really don’t care, we have our QBs in Buffalo and are very happy with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 5 hours ago, GregPersons said: It would absolutely never happen under McBeane But I think he'd probably be a good fit for Daboll's offense actually. What makes you think that? Kaepernick has never demonstrated the ability to succeed in a E-P pocket-passer type offense with a run threat, which is what Daboll is trying hard to implement here with Allen. He'd be a reasonable fit for Baltimore, but they already have a backup they believe can run their offense (RGIII) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Incorrect. Collusion law suit has been settled last February. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nfl-colin-kaepernick-reach-resolution-collusion-case-today-2019-02-15/ Actually Kaepernick and his representatives could in fact be setting up for a second collusion case and this Saturday Workout could be what shuts the second case down. Look it up, a lot of lawyers talking about this... Florio mentions it I. This article this morning also..... this has nothing to do with his football skillset anymore. Pure lawyer play. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/12/nfl-not-colin-kaepernick-arranged-saturday-workout/ Edited November 13, 2019 by wppete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 14 hours ago, wppete said: So the NFL is an open workout for Kaepernick? Did any teams request the workout? Yeah, Team Nike did...gotta keep Kaepernick "relevant" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, StHustle said: Gungy....We both know this is just an excuse hypocrites hide behind. These people CLEARLY dont want him playing because he kneeled and use "he sucks" as their excuse to feel how they do. These same people dont take that strong of a stance against actual criminals continuing to play in the NFL. You know you are wrong when you have to make up excuses to validate your stance on something. I would have actual respect for these people if they could be real with everyone especially themselves by just coming out and saying I DONT WANT KAEP TO PLAY BECAUSE HE KNEELED. I have no problem with people having different opinions and ideologies than I do (unless it violent or hateful) but I do have an issue with people who try to mask their true feelings. I 100% agree here. I have more of a problem with people associated with Murder (Ray Lewis) or abuse (Hill/Hunt/Mixon) getting a pass. While I may not agree with the stance, I support those that don't engage in acts of violence. Don't get me started on the whole weed hypocrisy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, wppete said: Actually Kaepernick and his representatives could in fact be setting up for a second collusion case and this Saturday Workout could be what shuts the second case down. Look it up, a lot of lawyers talking about this... Florio mentions it I. This article this morning also..... this has nothing to do with his football skillset anymore. Pure lawyer play. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/12/nfl-not-colin-kaepernick-arranged-saturday-workout/ This seems to be to bizarre, a second grievance? "file a second grievance alleging collusion and/or retaliation arising from his prior collusion grievance, which reportedly was settled for payment in the range of $1 million and $10 million." If the NFL is really stupid enough to settle the first grievance case for millions of $ without adequate agreement by Kap to eliminate any future liability, then they are dumb beyond comprehension. 12 minutes ago, wppete said: Good points. However the truth is if Kaep signs with a team, that will get destroyed on Social Media and media and that will translate in loss of $$$ for that team and the NFL as it is a revenue sharing business to a certain extent. It make no Business sense to sign Kaep at this point to sit and be a backup. But I really don’t care, we have our QBs in Buffalo and are very happy with them. Oh not so fast, not so fast. The team that signs him will be lauded as heroes by most of the media and most of social media. Ironically a team like San Fran should sign him, you think they would lose a lot of fans for signing him, they might net gain fans and $. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 PR Stunt... http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=28071171 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, wppete said: Good points. However the truth is if Kaep signs with a team, that will get destroyed on Social Media and media and that will translate in loss of $$$ for that team and the NFL as it is a revenue sharing business to a certain extent. It make no Business sense to sign Kaep at this point to sit and be a backup. But I really don’t care, we have our QBs in Buffalo and are very happy with them. Is that really true at this point? Hasn't the issue blown over to a large extent? I don't think it would cause major issues at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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