Daboll - Grade Him

[reddogblitz]

59 minutes ago, Ayjent said:

They don't run that well and they don't pass that well either.  Neither aspect is good enough to be too much one or the other.  They do best when they get a good balance and don't telegraph whether they are passing or running by formation.  What really drives me crazy is how predictable they are based on formation - they rarely use play-action from what looks like heavy run sets.  When they do - they have been very successful.  They rarely run when they have a wide spread formation unless it is Allen, and I'm just not that keen on him being an occasional running back if you are trying to have a long-term franchise QB. 

 

Agreed.

 

The one I hate is the empty backfield.  Earth to Defense, we're going to pass.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...this is a very telling post from another thread.....check out his resume'......two "one year and done" stints and a two year stint with HC Mangini & the Browns......hmmmm....HINT: bigger (number) ain't better...............

 

On 10/28/2019 at 9:33 PM, DuckyBoys said:

Daboll's offenses rankings in pts per game

2009  29th

2010 31st

2011 20th

2018 30th

2019 24th

 

not exactly confidence inspiring

Edited October 30, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Flutie Flakes]

Solid D.  Lacks creativity and is not capable of making adjustments at the professional level.  He is going to get Allen killed and should go back to coaching college ball.  

[Seven-N-Nine]

Daboll seems to lack the ability to understand the flow of a game, he kills his own drives too often.

[ngbills]

5 hours ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

Daboll seems to lack the ability to understand the flow of a game, he kills his own drives too often.

Never wants to stick with what is working and throw in an occasional wrinkle. Instead it is oh we just run the ball 3 times and gained 5+ yards each time. Lets surprise them and throw 15 straight passes. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

He has a careless with the football young QB. I haven't had much issue with the play calling, at least to the point where it frustrates me. His QB just isn't good enough yet.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

C-

[Best Williams Available]

Not certain if I’m cherry-picking here, but seems he knows how to get out of the shadow of the Bills’ own end zone and score TDs in the red zone quite well. But, between their own 35 and opponent’s 20 his play calling is quite inept. Maybe JA bails him out scrambling in the first two situations (and on 3rd down) to make him look better than he actually is?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Play calling is not the issue. Just watch the games. Guys are getting open. Would I like to see a bigger commitment to the run game, play action, and double TE...yes.  But even when they go five wide and hurry up Josh has moved the ball. 

They are beating themselves most of the time.

They are being physically beaten at the LOS, the running back has power but no speed, everyone except Brown drops the ball, and they have drive killing penalties.

 

[Gugny]

I am officially in the "I want Daboll gone," camp.

 

He has shown that he's capable of calling good games.  Unfortunately, he's also shown that he can rarely, if ever, do that in consecutive weeks, let alone with any semblance of consistency.

 

His resume is pathetic for a reason.  He's in way over his head and McDermott needs to address it.

 

[Dopey]

On 10/21/2019 at 4:14 PM, r00tabaga said:

This one's easy. His grade is an A. He's taking a college project out of Wyoming and got him to lead a 5 - 1 team that hasn't had much success in 20 years.

This year he has nine new starters.

This.

[Dopey]

On 10/28/2019 at 8:09 PM, BUNCH OF MULARKEY said:

He definatly went angry Uncle Fester when Josh threw the second pick vs. N E.   At home with friends/ family there.  

He needs to go upstairs and concentrate on his own business.

If Josh can't handle being treated like a big boy, he shouldn't be out there. He deserved the treatment and handled it well. Have you never been yelled at by your parents for something you did? 

[Dablitzkrieg]

I just read this title fast and thought it said trade him.  I would be all for it!

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

The average fan knows and understands less about offensive coordinating than any other aspect of the game. 

[Dopey]

B to a B+

It was mentioned here earlier, nine new starters on offense and a 2nd year QB who is still raw and learning. The only starters from last year on offense are Dawkins and Allen. That's essentially a whole new offensive line that is still working to gel. New WRs where timing is still a work in progress. New TEs and the FA "starter" (Kroft) is just coming back from injury. Gore(who I like) and a rookie at RB, plus we got rid of Shady. For those who say we should run more, of the teams that have played 7 games this year, we are 6th in rush attempts and rush attempts per game(26.7). If I take that avg. and add it to 1 more game, we're still # 10 in rushing attempts when compared to teams that have played 8 games and the Cards having played 9 games. I didn't expect much in the 1st half of the season due to all of the changes in personnel. He's not the reason for our 2 losses either. NE is NE, Josh and special teams had a major hand in that loss. The Philly loss was due to all facets. Offense, defense, ST and coaching. I expect the offense to get better as the season get's to the 2nd 1/2. Just not sure if it will show up in the #'s as we still have the Browns, Cowboys, Ravens, Steelers and Pats coming up. 

Edit: If Josh had even an avg. game vs. the Pats, we win and we're 6-1. If that was the case, Daboll would have a solid B+ to an A in my book.

[colin]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

I am officially in the "I want Daboll gone," camp.

 

He has shown that he's capable of calling good games.  Unfortunately, he's also shown that he can rarely, if ever, do that in consecutive weeks, let alone with any semblance of consistency.

 

His resume is pathetic for a reason.  He's in way over his head and McDermott needs to address it.

 

 

 

I'm not in that camp yet, but i've looked around the grounds, seen a couple of spots that seem pretty attractive.

 

i will disagree with you on one thing, he's not shown ability to call a good game.  he can call good drives and certainly has dialed up some solid plays, particularly in the redzone, but he seems to call the game like he's playing madden, just rando throwing plays around and if something sticks, keep going rando.  except for goofy empty back field stuff and high risk low reward qb sweeps, he's got those hot keyed and mashes em quite often.

[Billsfan1972]

Have we seen the Bills play a single game with 4 quarters of good offensive football since he's been here?

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

The average fan knows and understands less about offensive coordinating than any other aspect of the game. 

 

He's run Gore  and Singletary for a combined  30 carries over the past 2 games.  That's a total.  For 2 guys.  Singletary, over 4 games, is averaging 5 carries.

 

Yeah, coordinating an offense is so mysterious to us laypeople!  Because to us, that doesn't look right.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Can't we just say that execution is the problem and that is OK? Allen is a second year project QB; he struggles. We have 2 returning starters; the whole struggles. That is fine, but guys are open, we run the ball well. We just don't execute.  All Daboll can do is make sure those things are true. Mission accomplished. The problem is execution, and it sucks, but it is OK because the corp of the offense is young/new and learning each other. If at the end of the year they don't improve, that is one thing. But to say this right now is, well, childish and just shows a lack of understanding.  

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

He's run Gore  and Singletary for a combined  30 carries over the past 2 games.  That's a total.  For 2 guys.  Singletary, over 4 games, is averaging 5 carries.

 

Yeah, coordinating an offense is so mysterious to us laypeople!  Because to us, that doesn't look right.

 

Its a passing league, WEO, the offense either figures out how to do it effectively, or we die in mediocrity. You want a superbowl? This young offense needs to learn how to pass the ball. 

[Mr. WEO]

19 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Can't we just say that execution is the problem and that is OK? Allen is a second year project QB; he struggles. We have 2 returning starters; the whole struggles. That is fine, but guys are open, we run the ball well. We just don't execute.  All Daboll can do is make sure those things are true. Mission accomplished. The problem is execution, and it sucks, but it is OK because the corp of the offense is young/new and learning each other. If at the end of the year they don't improve, that is one thing. But to say this right now is, well, childish and just shows a lack of understanding.  

 

Its a passing league, WEO, the offense either figures out how to do it effectively, or we die in mediocrity. You want a superbowl? This young offense needs to learn how to pass the ball. 

 

 

Come on!  You pass more effectively when the Defense doesn't assume you won't run the ball.  15 RB carries a game!  That's a joke---even in "a passing league".

 

Lack of understanding?  You just said "we run the ball well".  Yikes...

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 10/30/2019 at 5:19 PM, reddogblitz said:

 

Agreed.

 

The one I hate is the empty backfield.  Earth to Defense, we're going to pass.

 

Or QB run

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Given the what’s he’s got to work with B-.

 

id like to believe I’m seeing more elements that capitalize on Josh’s ridiculous arm and I mean mid range game sideline to sideline.

 

they really are pedestrian when it comes to wr and RBs in terms of dynamic playmakers. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

25 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Come on!  You pass more effectively when the Defense doesn't assume you won't run the ball.  15 RB carries a game!  That's a joke---even in "a passing league".

 

Lack of understanding?  You just said "we run the ball well".  Yikes...

Look at the numbers we do. 

 

My critique here is that fans do not understand OCs beyond run/pass.  What if there are 8 in the box every down, should we still be running the ball. Have you done that analysis? Figured out what percentage of 6/7/8 man boxes the offense has faced? Do you know what audibles were available? What audibles were made? What the reads were? Any of that? You know its the NFL, right? You know that more often than not the team gets more than one call in the huddle, right? 

 

No. The best you can do is, "he needs to run the ball more!"  You haven't a clue what is going on beyond run/pass ratio. 

 

Solid analysis. 

Edited November 1, 2019 by JoshAllenHasBigHands

[Chris66]

Not to hard to gameplan for the bills at this juncture. Play the run shade a safety to Brown keep allen in the pocket and make him make his third and fourth reads.

 Looks like Daboll doesnt have confidence in allen to check out of the play yet. The nice thing about this scheme is you can pretty much run any play out of any formation. The concepts stay the same

[Gugny]

7 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Look at the numbers we do. 

 

My critique here is that fans do not understand OCs beyond run/pass.  What if there are 8 in the box every down, should we still be running the ball. Have you done that analysis? Figured out what percentage of 6/7/8 man boxes the offense has faced? Do you know what audibles were available? What audibles were made? What the reads were? Any of that? You know its the NFL, right? You know that more often than not the team gets more than one call in the huddle, right? 

 

No. The best you can do is, "he needs to run the ball more!"  You haven't a clue what is going on beyond run/pass ratio. 

 

Solid analysis. 

 

Philadelphia started two rookie DTs seeing their first NFL action, ever.

 

Frank Gore - 9 carries

Devin Singletary - 3 carries

I. McKenzie - INACTIVE

 

The week prior, we played a horrible Dolphins team who'd been gashed on the perimeters by every opponent leading up to the Bills game.  Daboll chose to NOT exploit that.  At all.

 

Frank Gore - 11 carries

Devin Singletary - 7 carries

DiMarco - 1 carry

I. McKenzie - 2 receptions

 

Daboll is misusing players, underutilizing players and failing to take advantage of Bills opponents' weaknesses.

 

Instead, he tries to "outsmart," them with dumbass calls like QB sweeps and draws.

 

He's been - and miserably failed at - the OC for three NFL teams prior to being demoted/taking lesser roles until he was inexplicably hired in Buffalo.

 

He is clearly rigid and arrogant in his approach and refuses to adjust to the strengths of the players who are on the roster.  Instead, he tries to make the players on the roster fit his asinine game plans.

 

He's like the offensive version of Rex Ryan.

 

No Bueno.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Philadelphia started two rookie DTs seeing their first NFL action, ever.

 

Frank Gore - 9 carries

Devin Singletary - 3 carries

I. McKenzie - INACTIVE

 

The week prior, we played a horrible Dolphins team who'd been gashed on the perimeters by every opponent leading up to the Bills game.  Daboll chose to NOT exploit that.  At all.

 

Frank Gore - 11 carries

Devin Singletary - 7 carries

DiMarco - 1 carry

I. McKenzie - 2 receptions

 

Daboll is misusing players, underutilizing players and failing to take advantage of Bills opponents' weaknesses.

 

Instead, he tries to "outsmart," them with dumbass calls like QB sweeps and draws.

 

He's been - and miserably failed at - the OC for three NFL teams prior to being demoted/taking lesser roles until he was inexplicably hired in Buffalo.

 

He is clearly rigid and arrogant in his approach and refuses to adjust to the strengths of the players who are on the roster.  Instead, he tries to make the players on the roster fit his asinine game plans.

 

He's like the offensive version of Rex Ryan.

 

No Bueno.

 

And for those two DTs, this is how they compensated.  9 man boxes. Should they have continued to run into that? 

 

 

[Gugny]

2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

And for those two DTs, this is how they compensated.  9 man boxes. Should they have continued to run into that? 

 

 

 

You don't run Gore/Singletary a total of 12 times in any game, let alone a game that had hurricane-like weather.  The entire day was nothing but stupid calls.  And it was a major factor in the outcome.

 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

You don't run Gore/Singletary a total of 12 times in any game, let alone a game that had hurricane-like weather.  The entire day was nothing but stupid calls.  And it was a major factor in the outcome.

 

 

Do you even know how unresponsive that is to what I am saying? 

[ngbills]

54 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Come on!  You pass more effectively when the Defense doesn't assume you won't run the ball.  15 RB carries a game!  That's a joke---even in "a passing league".

 

Lack of understanding?  You just said "we run the ball well".  Yikes...

SF last night. They had 31 rushes and the QB threw for over 300 yds.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Do you even know how unresponsive that is to what I am saying? 

 

There are other places to run the ball.  My point is that he abandons the run faster than Chan Gailey used to.  He makes this offense painfully predictable.

[ngbills]

10 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

And for those two DTs, this is how they compensated.  9 man boxes. Should they have continued to run into that? 

 

 

What do you expect when you are running double TE, RB, FB? As an offense you can influence how many guys the D puts in the box right? Come on now. 

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

What do you expect when you are running double TE, RB, FB? As an offense you can influence how many guys the D puts in the box right? Come on now. 

 

He doesn't understand this.  All he can see is 8-9 men in the box on every play.

[ngbills]

36 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Look at the numbers we do. 

 

My critique here is that fans do not understand OCs beyond run/pass.  What if there are 8 in the box every down, should we still be running the ball. Have you done that analysis? Figured out what percentage of 6/7/8 man boxes the offense has faced? Do you know what audibles were available? What audibles were made? What the reads were? Any of that? You know its the NFL, right? You know that more often than not the team gets more than one call in the huddle, right? 

 

No. The best you can do is, "he needs to run the ball more!"  You haven't a clue what is going on beyond run/pass ratio. 

 

Solid analysis. 

The offense can dictate this. The OC job is create the mismatches, the space, etc. In the example you provided - what if the bills send one of the TE wide? Or they send the FB in motion. You have now either removed a defender from the box or you have a guy uncovered. They are not running the ball by choice not because of what the D is doing. 

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, ngbills said:

The offense can dictate this. The OC job is create the mismatches, the space, etc. In the example you provided - what if the bills send one of the TE wide? Or they send the FB in motion. You have now either removed a defender from the box or you have a guy uncovered. They are not running the ball by choice not because of what the D is doing. 

 

 

The blueprint for messing with Daboll is now stack the box early and watch him abandon the run game. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

The offense can dictate this. The OC job is create the mismatches, the space, etc. In the example you provided - what if the bills send one of the TE wide? Or they send the FB in motion. You have now either removed a defender from the box or you have a guy uncovered. They are not running the ball by choice not because of what the D is doing. 

 

Not against Schwartz. That is what he does: puts extra guys in the box. 

 

The OCs job is to exploit weaknesses in the defense. In this instance, he does this by NOT running right into a crowded box. 

[Chris66]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He doesn't understand this.  All he can see is 8-9 men in the box on every play.

If im the d coord. I dont move 8-9 men fronts i make josh beat the D. Josh is so raw that dc's will always be one step ahead.

[ngbills]

5 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Not against Schwartz. That is what he does: puts extra guys in the box. 

 

The OCs job is to exploit weaknesses in the defense. In this instance, he does this by NOT running right into a crowded box. 

 

5 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

If im the d coord. I dont move 8-9 men fronts i make josh beat the D. Josh is so raw that dc's will always be one step ahead.

Then you spread the field. Put WR's out there not 3 TE sets. Dont bunch everyone up together. Its really not that challenging. Unless our QB is that bad. 

 

Unless we are trying to fool them with this absolute nonsense type of play...

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

22 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Not against Schwartz. That is what he does: puts extra guys in the box. 

 

The OCs job is to exploit weaknesses in the defense. In this instance, he does this by NOT running right into a crowded box. 

 

...then why do we?......thought he was supposed to be so innovative and creative.......maybe there is some validity to his ONE year OC stops, except for Cleveland with Mangini (COUGH)......could he be a dead branch on the "Belichick Tree"??.....just askin'....probably always the "personnel's fault".....

[Rocket94]

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...then why do we?......thought he was supposed to be so innovative and creative.......maybe there is some validity to his ONE year OC stops, except for Cleveland with Mangini (COUGH)......could he be a dead branch on the "Belichick Tree"??.....just askin'....probably always the "personnel's fault".....

Daboll's one year stops look valid to me. I would hate to be inside of his head...very creative man, but he confuses the heck out of everybody. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

16 minutes ago, Rocket94 said:

Daboll's one year stops look valid to me. I would hate to be inside of his head...very creative man, but he confuses the heck out of everybody. 

 

...perhaps himself FIRST??....just askin'.......