Kaepernick Black-balled?

[Paulus]

Antonio Brown has a better case against the league than this guy...

[Just Joshin']

There are two simple truths:

 

1.  He is not one of the top 32 QBs.

2.  He is not worth the baggage he brings as a backup.

 

If a team wanted to sign him, no issue.  But it should be easy to see why a team would not want to sign him.

[Bobby Hooks]

Political commentary aside, he wants to be a starter and paid as one as well. 

 

He wasn’t all that good at the end of his career and would be a back-up. Not worth the money or the attention and distraction he’d be every week. 

 

This is is a non-story and needs to go away. 

Edited October 16, 2019 by Bobby Hooks

[bbb]

20 hours ago, klos63 said:

Wow, Lewis likely was involved in a murder, he got rid of the outfit he was wearing that night, blood on his clothing? so he's done well since covering up a murder, great! Kaep has helped a lot of people since his great sin of kneeling, donated a lot of money to causes he believes in. I don't know why Seattle didn't give him a tryout. Didn't Carroll say that Kaep should be in the league and was good enough to play?

'slight' obstacles?  Criminally obstructing a murder investigation, to this day, unsolved.

So the Ravens pulled an offer, not because of Kaep, but his girlfriend? That's a first. Not sure I believe that story. I've heard it before, but Lewis is a convicted criminal so not a credible witness.

 

Lewis is a convicted criminal?  When did he get convicted?  And, even if he did - what does that have to do with this? 
 

18 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

How is it a stupid take?  If someone is outraged about him not standing then they better be standing or they are just another fake internet vigilante.  
 

It’s pretty stupid for people to piss and moan how “personally” disrespected they are by someone else not standing when they aren’t standing either.
 

You don’t, no one does, because no one really cares.  But when an athlete, celebrity, or some other known person does it they suddenly freak out like the anthem is the most important song to ever exist and everyone must stand at all times.  
 

Funnier yet, I bet less than 5% of the people complaining even know the words to the anthem.

 

The outrage is silly, he should have a job. 

 

 

 

It's stupid because nobody stands in their house.  They hardly ever show the anthem on TV, anyway..............But, players stand for it every game in every sport.  

[Alphadawg7]

33 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

It's stupid because nobody stands in their house.  They hardly ever show the anthem on TV, anyway..............But, players stand for it every game in every sport.  

 

Exactly my point...nobody cares enough about the National Anthem to even watch it when its shown.  So its even stupider for those same people to piss and moan about how "personally offended" they are that someone else isn't standing either.  If someone is going to claim they are so outraged and offended by someone not standing, if the Anthem means that much to them, then they ought to be showing the Anthem the same respect they are demanding from others by also standing and listening to the song.  

 

If not, they should just shut up about it because they are full of s*** like everyone else on the internet pretending to care about things that they don't actually care about.  

[row_33]

50 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

Lewis is a convicted criminal?  When did he get convicted?  And, even if he did - what does that have to do with this? 
 

 

It's stupid because nobody stands in their house.  They hardly ever show the anthem on TV, anyway..............But, players stand for it every game in every sport.  

Google Ray Lewis guilty plea, how do you not know this

 

[klos63]

4 hours ago, CLTbills said:

Because they don't bring the circus with them. It's that simple. 

Nobody is going to bring in that circus for a mediocre backup QB.  If it's Tom Brady? absolutely. A guy that great is worth the headache. I'll even say Deshaun Watson is worth that headache because I know I'll be called "racist" for using a white QB to make my point. The point is, if the guy is your franchise QB, multiple SB winner, etc., it's worth that headache. Why bring all that nonsense for a guy who might not even play and is a backup? Why piss off fans, potentially lose ticket sales? 

 

If the guy is Brady or Deshaun Watson, or Lamar Jackson, or, hell, Patrick Mahomes, it ain't going to cost you ticket/merch sales, because their play can overcome the negative.

Get over yourself . What a stupid comment.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

3 hours ago, Paulus said:

Antonio Brown has a better case against the league than this guy...

 

Comparing a man child who threatens women with violence to someone who seeks social justice is a ridiculous comparison.

[Locomark]

I have no problem signing Kap as a 3rd stringer if Allen went down. However he isn’t good enough to start in this league and he brings unnecessary attention to a team without bringing the high end talent that makes it worth it. They went from Brown because he was a top 4 league WR, so his distractions made it worthwhile. Kap’s distractions aren’t worth it because he isn’t a top end talent. That’s the bottom line. 

[boater]

Bottom line: He's a 3rd string QB, asking 1st string money. It doesn't work. The rest is just drama.

[DCbillsfan]

6 minutes ago, Locomark said:

I have no problem signing Kap as a 3rd stringer if Allen went down. However he isn’t good enough to start in this league and he brings unnecessary attention to a team without bringing the high end talent that makes it worth it. They went from Brown because he was a top 4 league WR, so his distractions made it worthwhile. Kap’s distractions aren’t worth it because he isn’t a top end talent. That’s the bottom line. 

This.  It's a simple cost benefit analysis.  His talent has dropped off and the cost (distraction) has increased.  Can you imagine a guy like McD trying to control that media circus?  His head would explode.

[Pieguy]

I will do this step by step. Kaep did lose his job in 2015. He was playing hurt (went on I.R. and had 3 surgeries), had the corpse of Boldin as a #1, and had Jim Tomsula (who?) as a HC. He played terribly, no question, and Blaine happened to be the backup. Blaine started the rest of 2015. 

 

Notes for next post: Baalke (49ers GM at the time) Hated Kaep and Harbaugh. He already fired Harbaugh for no reason and Kaep was next. Kaep would have been cut before 2016, but his contract had an injury clause that guaranteed the following years salary, so he Baalkes plans to cut Kaep were foiled. Kaep had to be on the team in 2016 because he was guaranteed 12 mil.

Edited October 17, 2019 by Pieguy

[bbb]

19 minutes ago, row_33 said:

Google Ray Lewis guilty plea, how do you not know this

 

 

Hey, you Canadians might lump them all together, but we have a thing called crimes AND misdemeanors!  

[Pieguy]

Here’s where things get tricky. Blaine ran all of OTAs while Kaep recovered from his surgeries. Kaep was never fully recovered even in August of 2016, as he missed half of TC because he wasn’t ready. Blaine was named the starter. When questioned why Kap wasn’t playing, Kelly always referred to his weight and health. There was always some weird excuse. 

 

The real reason was Baalke did not want him to get hurt again. That would guarantee his 2017 salary and Baalke would not be able to cut him. The week Kaepernick restructured his contract and dropped the injury clause, he took over the starting role. That is not a coincidence.

 

So he did play bad on 2015 and lose his job, but Blaine was never better than him, and only started in 2016 because of the injury clause.

[Mat68]

I think the narrative that Kaepernick was will to play any spot isnt accurate.  He didnt get a work out because he wanted starter money.  Let's all not forget he opted out of the final year of his contract with San Fran.  No one wants the drama.  Its Tebow mania x10.

[Pieguy]

Now for the “He opted out of his contract!” crowd.

 

He did, but it was because his contract was no longer guaranteed, and he was informed by Lynch that they were cutting him anyways. He opted out to hit the FA market earlier.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/31/john-lynch-49ers-would-have-cut-kaepernick-if-he-hadnt-opted-out/

 

“Yes,” Lynch said regarding whether Kaepernick would have been cut if he hadn’t opted out, “and we had that conversation with him.”

Edited October 17, 2019 by Pieguy

[Pieguy]

Now for the offers. There were none. Seahawks was a meeting that ended with no contract offer because “Kaepernick is a starter”. That was Pete carols reason. 

 

The Broncos tried to trade for Kaep in the 2016 offseason while he was injured. They never offered him a contract after his kneeling. Kind of weird that Elway was willing to trade picks for him after his worst season and 3 surgeries, but didn’t even contact him after a much, much better 2016 season in which he stayed healthy, and didn’t even have to give picks up for him. I wonder what changed lol

Edited October 17, 2019 by Pieguy

[row_33]

2 minutes ago, Pieguy said:

Now for the offers. There were none. Seahawks was a meeting that ended with no contract offer because “Kaepernick is a starter”. That was Pete carols reason. 

 

The Broncos tried to trade for Kaep in the 2016 offseason while he was injured. They never offered him a contract after his kneeling. Kind of weird that Elway was willing to trade picks for him after his worst season and 3 surgeries, but didn’t even contact him after a much, much better 2016 season in which he stayed healthy, and didn’t even have to give picks up for him. I wonder what changed lol

you are spending hours of your short time on earth regurgitating this endlessly?

 

[Pieguy]

The Ravens were never going to sign Kaep, and that’s why his gf sent that tweet out. Watch Ray Lewis on undisputed the day before that tweet ( it’s on YouTube). There is no way he was pushing to sign Kap. Dude was doing damage control because Biscotti was not going to sign him. 

 

Skip asked him him if he would take Kap over Mallett (Ravens backup at the time) and Ray says “I don’t know, I never played with either of them” lmfao. Then he gets butt hurt over the tweet and comes out like “we were just about to sign him!!”.

 

lmao, yea. The guy that couldn’t even admit Kaep is better than Mallett was pushing for him to get signed lol. Good one.

10 minutes ago, row_33 said:

you are spending hours of your short time on earth regurgitating this endlessly?

 

 

Na I’m done. Just thought I’d inform the obviously uninformed 

Edited October 17, 2019 by Pieguy

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Pieguy said:

Now for the offers. There were none. Seahawks was a meeting that ended with no contract offer because “Kaepernick is a starter”. That was Pete carols reason. 

 

The Broncos tried to trade for Kaep in the 2016 offseason while he was injured. They never offered him a contract after his kneeling. Kind of weird that Elway was willing to trade picks for him after his worst season and 3 surgeries, but didn’t even contact him after a much, much better 2016 season in which he stayed healthy, and didn’t even have to give picks up for him. I wonder what changed lol

 

Well, let’s see....one of the things that changed was during his work time, wearing his employer’s uniform, he chose to take a personal stand which made him controversial. Repeatedly.  I’m not saying he was right or wrong. I’m just saying if I took a hard position on any controversial topic while I worked in banking, that would not have lasted a single day. And I never would have gotten another offer, because it was clear I had been an idiot. Idiots are hard to hire, at least in banking. 

 

As I have previously stated, if he goes to the CFL or XFL or somehow proves he’s good enough to be worth the circus (as a great QB would!) I’m ALL FOR him getting another chance. He just doesn’t seem to want to be bothered with that. 

 

I realize you are hard core on this, so I won’t be bothered engaging beyond this point. Feel free to vent to your hearts content. (I do have to wonder what other name you go by here, and that can be determined.) 

[LB3]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Exactly my point...nobody cares enough about the National Anthem to even watch it when its shown.  So its even stupider for those same people to piss and moan about how "personally offended" they are that someone else isn't standing either.  If someone is going to claim they are so outraged and offended by someone not standing, if the Anthem means that much to them, then they ought to be showing the Anthem the same respect they are demanding from others by also standing and listening to the song.  

 

If not, they should just shut up about it because they are full of s*** like everyone else on the internet pretending to care about things that they don't actually care about.  

Should all nations stop playing their national anthems at sporting events?

[Pieguy]

21 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Well, let’s see....one of the things that changed was during his work time, wearing his employer’s uniform, he chose to take a personal stand which made him controversial. Repeatedly.  I’m not saying he was right or wrong. I’m just saying if I took a hard position on any controversial topic while I worked in banking, that would not have lasted a single day. And I never would have gotten another offer, because it was clear I had been an idiot. Idiots are hard to hire, at least in banking. 

 

As I have previously stated, if he goes to the CFL or XFL or somehow proves he’s good enough to be worth the circus (as a great QB would!) I’m ALL FOR him getting another chance. He just doesn’t seem to want to be bothered with that. 

 

I realize you are hard core on this, so I won’t be bothered engaging beyond this point. Feel free to vent to your hearts content. (I do have to wonder what other name you go by here, and that can be determined.) 

 

I came here to see what you guys were saying about Brown (he’s on my fantasy team and fan forums usually have the best info on a player), and ran into this thread.

 

Im a 49er fan man. I wouldn’t know this much detail about the situation otherwise. You can look up everything I said for verification, it’s all true. There’s obviously no link saying Baalke held Kaep out in 2016 so he could keep Kaep healthy and cut him, but when Kap magically finally being healthy enough to start just so happens to be the week he dropped the injury clause from his contract — it’s pretty easy to connect the dots. Remember, he was only on the team in 2016 because of the injury clause. Baalke would have cut him during that offseason if he didn’t get injured in 2015. Restructuring his contract put Baalke at ease and allowed him to play again.

Edited October 17, 2019 by Pieguy

[Happy]

I want to know when Kaperdick will finally go away.  He's not good enough to overcome his baggage and the unwanted attention he will bring.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said:

I want to know when Kaperdick will finally go away.  He's not good enough to overcome his baggage and the unwanted attention he will bring.

 

If he actually wants to play again, he would go somewhere to prove he’s worth it. If he (and the GF) just want to complain, they can just whither away into obscurity. Athletes and actors will never tell me where to stand on moral issues. I use my own brain and life experience for that. I may or may not concur, but I’ll think for myself, thank you very much. 

[row_33]

1 hour ago, bbb said:

 

Hey, you Canadians might lump them all together, but we have a thing called crimes AND misdemeanors!  

What is wrong with you.

 

 

[Happy]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

If he actually wants to play again, he would go somewhere to prove he’s worth it. If he (and the GF) just want to complain, they can just whither away into obscurity. Athletes and actors will never tell me where to stand on moral issues. I use my own brain and life experience for that. I may or may not concur, but I’ll think for myself, thank you very much. 

 

He just wants some huge contract to fund and give visibility to his social justice protests.  I applaud the league owners for not giving him that platform.

[Pieguy]

Another thing with Kaep is he is definitely a middle pack sarter. You can go on and on about Blaine, but their career numbers (and 2016 numbers) just make it a dumb comparison. Blaine outplayed Kaep one season (2015). His best was barely better than Kaeps worst. Warner backed up Leinart at one point, it means nothing.

 

When look at Kaeps career numbers on a per throw basis (Passer rating, YPA, TD%, int%) he’s right there with any “good” QB. He actually has the 2nd lowest int % in the history of the NFL (Rodgers #1).

 

In 2016 he averaged 245 total yards per start, had a 16/4 TD/int in 11 starts, and averaged 7 yds per carry. This was on what basically amounts to an expansion team. Kerley was our best WR, and we had guys like Chris Harper, Blake Bell, and Rod Streater getting major playing time. Oh and Chip Kelly and the 32nd ranked defense in points and yards. Just an absolutely awful team, and it gets glossed over so we can blame Kaep for it.

 

There aren’t 32 QBs that could put those numbers up in that situation, coming off 3 surgeries. There aren’t 32 QBs with his career numbers either. 

[Paulus]

2 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

Comparing a man child who threatens women with violence to someone who seeks social justice is a ridiculous comparison.

Lmao... Calling those who risk their lives for societies benefit pigs because a few are bad, pushing propaganda of a mass murderer, disrespecting our country and its flag, insulting your bosses, AND THE BIGGEST PART ALL HIS APOLOGISTS CONVENIENTLY FORGET... all after being benched because he sucked, is the personification of a sellout. 

 

REMEMBER THIS GUY ONLY "KNEELED FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE" ONCE HE GOT BENCHED FOR BLAINE GABBERT. THAT IS YOUR HERO.

 

Antonio Brown was just trying to stop a gold digger from taking his monies... Maybe, he should have threatened her for "equality" purposes... 

 

 

The biggest difference between the two is Brown actually was and is talented enough to play in the NFL, and will in the future.

 

But, continue short bus circlejerk. 

 

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

If he actually wants to play again, he would go somewhere to prove he’s worth it. If he (and the GF) just want to complain, they can just whither away into obscurity. Athletes and actors will never tell me where to stand on moral issues. I use my own brain and life experience for that. I may or may not concur, but I’ll think for myself, thank you very much. 

He got his, after he was benched for a better player...

 

 

Man, sometimes I hate this world.

[Augie]

My wife refreshed a lot of my closet shirts/tennis gear recently for my BDay. She was listening, as I got a bunch of Adidas and other stuff, but a lot of my Nike stuff was old and got retired.   ?

 

 

If I had any pro Castro shirts or pig socks, they also would have been tossed without the option of going to Goodwill. 

[Nelius]

Not the least bit surprised to see Paulus spazzing out in here. Chill out Paulus, before you spill your Mountain Dew all over your sweet Proud Boys polo.

Edited October 17, 2019 by Nelius

[Punching Bag]

17 hours ago, jwhit34 said:

Interesting - 83.5% say he should be on a team in the league, which means that he is at least one of the top 64 QBs.

 

However, when confronted with a situation where poll takers have a need on "their" team (theoretically Bills need to pick up the 65th best QB), 67% say "not for my team". 

 

Those answers contradict each other. If he's good enough to be in the league and if your team is all about acquiring the best players available, then 83.5% should have responded sign him for the Bills scenario. 

 

Sure they want him on other teams - fans want their teams to be win and having a poor playing QB (at same salary level) will hurt other teams but interpret data any way you want, that is usually what politicians trying to drum up support for their view do.

[Nelius]

"He should NOT be allowed to play! Good heavens! Keep that monster OFF my football field!!!"

 

Meanwhile Kareem Hunt pile drives a woman and is only like two weeks away from winning people money in DFS.

Edited October 17, 2019 by Nelius

[Pieguy]

9 minutes ago, Augie said:

My wife refreshed a lot of my closet shirts/tennis gear recently for my BDay. She was listening, as I got a bunch of Adidas and other stuff, but a lot of my Nike stuff was old and got retired.   ?

 

 

If I had any pro Castro shirts or pig socks, they also would have been tossed without the option of going to Goodwill. 

 

Damn thanks for bringing this up, I almost forgot. Both of these instances were portrayed as Kaep antagonizing the situation, but that too is a lie. 

 

He he never walked into a press conference in Miami wearing a Castro shirt lol. He wore it during an offseason press conference in SF. What happened was a Miami reporter decided to get into a pissing match with him over the shirt before the Dolphins game.

 

He also didn’t come to practice wearing pig socks to make a statement during his protests. He wore those in a practice long before his protests. The socks were never brought up as offensive until after his protest. That’s when the images resurfaced.

[bbb]

2 minutes ago, Nelius said:

"He should NOT be allowed to play! Good heavens! Keep that monster OFF my football field!!!"

 

84% here disagree with this.  But, you quote it like that's what everybody thinks. 

[Nelius]

Just now, bbb said:

 

84% here disagree with this.  But, you quote it like that's what everybody thinks. 

 

Nah not really, I was making fun of how ridiculous it is in general, and simply because that was like three posts behind somebody who was trying to justify why Kaep is the worst of the worst. I know most people here are sane, I just like needling the pearl-clutchers.

[Paulus]

7 minutes ago, Nelius said:

Not the least bit surprised to see Paulus spazzing out in here. Chill out Paulus, before you spill your Mountain Dew all over your sweet Proud Boys polo.

The league figured him out and he began to get exposed bad. He failed to adapt. He was benched for Blaine Gabbert. Then he decided to kneel in order to capitalize on racism. Nike helped him realize the dream of race-baiting monetization, as they took advantage as well.

 

Really, the sequence of events is the only real illustration of why someone should kneel and disrespect the flag. Perhaps Kaep had a point.

 

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, Pieguy said:

 

Damn thanks for bringing this up, I almost forgot. Both of these instances were portrayed as Kaep antagonizing the situation, but that too is a lie. 

 

He he never walked into a press conference in Miami wearing a Castro shirt lol. He wore it during an offseason press conference in SF. What happened was a Miami reporter decided to get into a pissing match with him over the shirt before the Dolphins game.

 

He also didn’t come to practice wearing pig socks to make a statement during his protests. He wore those in a practice long before his protests. The socks were never brought up as offensive until after his protest. That’s when the images resurfaced.

 

So, to summarize, he wore a pro-Castro shirt and Pig socks. 

 

This goes to prove the point against him, and anyone who supports him. 

 

The BOLD is really all that matter there. 

 

 

.

Edited October 17, 2019 by Augie

[BidsJr]

31 minutes ago, Paulus said:

Lmao... Calling those who risk their lives for societies benefit pigs because a few are bad, pushing propaganda of a mass murderer, disrespecting our country and its flag, insulting your bosses, AND THE BIGGEST PART ALL HIS APOLOGISTS CONVENIENTLY FORGET... all after being benched because he sucked, is the personification of a sellout. 

 

REMEMBER THIS GUY ONLY "KNEELED FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE" ONCE HE GOT BENCHED FOR BLAINE GABBERT. THAT IS YOUR HERO.

 

Antonio Brown was just trying to stop a gold digger from taking his monies... Maybe, he should have threatened her for "equality" purposes... 

 

 

The biggest difference between the two is Brown actually was and is talented enough to play in the NFL, and will in the future.

 

But, continue short bus circlejerk. 

 

He got his, after he was benched for a better player...

 

 

Man, sometimes I hate this world.

 

5 minutes ago, Pieguy said:

 

Damn thanks for bringing this up, I almost forgot. Both of these instances were portrayed as Kaep antagonizing the situation, but that too is a lie. 

 

He he never walked into a press conference in Miami wearing a Castro shirt lol. He wore it during an offseason press conference in SF. What happened was a Miami reporter decided to get into a pissing match with him over the shirt before the Dolphins game.

 

He also didn’t come to practice wearing pig socks to make a statement during his protests. He wore those in a practice long before his protests. The socks were never brought up as offensive until after his protest. That’s when the images resurfaced.

Welcome to the board Colin!

Edited October 17, 2019 by BidsJr
Wrong poster

[Pieguy]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

So, to summarize, he wore a pro-Castro shirt and Pig socks. 

 

This goes to prove the point against him, and anyone who supports him. 

 

The BOLD is really all that matter there. 

 

 

.

 

All I’m saying is he wasn’t trying to antagonize the situation like it’s made out to be. All this stuff happened before his protests, but somehow it turns into “this idiot wore a Castro shirt to a press conference in Miami!”. Lol, no he didn’t.

7 minutes ago, Paulus said:

The league figured him out and he began to get exposed bad. He failed to adapt. He was benched for Blaine Gabbert. Then he decided to kneel in order to capitalize on racism. Nike helped him realize the dream of race-baiting monetization, as they took advantage as well.

 

Really, the sequence of events is the only real illustration of why someone should kneel and disrespect the flag. Perhaps Kaep had a point.

 

 

245 total yds per start, 16/4 (11 starts), 7 yards per carry.....on the worst team in the NFL. I’m sorry, but QBs that got figured out (Joe Webb for example) do not put up those kind of numbers on any team, let alone an expansion team.

[Teddy KGB]

40 minutes ago, Pieguy said:

Another thing with Kaep is he is definitely a middle pack sarter.