Chef Jim Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, TH3 said: Dude - I will repeat: I am assuming that Police Departments are repeating what they train and officers are testifying what they are trained to.... So in the matter of 5 hours you've gone from they are clearly trained to shoot on a PERCEIVED threat to you're assuming they've been trained to shoot on a PERCEIVED threat. Thank you. My work is done here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 FWIW, cop has resigned before he was fired. He's getting a dishonorable discharge and info is turned over to the DA for possible prosecution. Why do the cops always sweep everything under the rug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Some of you guys have your heads up your asses. Mistakes are sometimes made. While this is a tragedy and should be played out legally we have a country of 330 million people. Chances are we'll have a few "f" ups every day. ...certainly true.....but would you say we've "gone to hell in the hand basket" regarding once thought to be "authority figures"?......isn't this ONCE great country sinking into the throes of a "third world anarchy"?.......respect, tolerance, rule of law et al are long gone....NEVER thought in my 66 years I'd see it...pretty 'effin sad..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: The range I went to in Oakland was where the OPD trained and the range master said they are the worst shots. They don't have to have good aim to shoot in 3 shot bursts at someone less than 5 or 10 feet away. It's obvious to me after years and years and years of these things (it's not new) is that cops don't shoot you once in the leg so you can't get away, they fire multiple shots at a time. And enough of them are good enough at it to hit on multiple shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: FWIW, cop has resigned before he was fired. He's getting a dishonorable discharge and info is turned over to the DA for possible prosecution. Why do the cops always sweep everything under the rug? I think one reason is they all know that they could fug up on the job any day and shoot someone by mistake. They don't want to go to jail for a mistake and they are all in it together. So when one shoots someone they all cover for him/her because next time it could be them. ExiledInIllinois may back me up on this, but its like if you're in a boat and some other boater is in trouble, you help them because next time it could be you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 What’s up with the title ? You mocking Ebonics ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: I think one reason is they all know that they could fug up on the job any day and shoot someone by mistake. They don't want to go to jail for a mistake and they are all in it together. So when one shoots someone they all cover for him/her because next time it could be them. ExiledInIllinois may back me up on this, but its like if you're in a boat and some other boater is in trouble, you help them because next time it could be you. I'm a boater and I've come to the assistance of other people numerous times. Every single time it was because someone did something foolish. I think the last time was me heading right for another boat that didn't see the idiot in the water. I made him veer off and then I stood guard until his boat showed up. When I chastised them for tubing in a busy channel they said they were there because of the wakes from all the boats. Eric's knowledge of boats, if he ever had any, has been wiped from all of the diesel fumes he's lunched on over the years. Anyway never rely on him. He changes his mind more often than an Asian Carp wiggles its tail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 19 hours ago, Chef Jim said: After unlatching a fence door and walking into the back yard, a white male officer saw Ms. Jefferson, who is black. What does the color of their skin have to do with it? Because this is what gets people riled up and into a fervor. Do you think in a million years they would would mention the color of the officer if he wasnt caucasian or Ms. Jefferson was? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 hours ago, reddogblitz said: I agree that this sound horrible and make absolutely no sense. However, I'm going to wait for more facts to trickle out before making a decision. Don't forget to wear your white sheet and MAGA hat while you wait, you racist. [/#BlackLivesMatter] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: I<snip> ExiledInIllinois may back me up on this, but its like if you're in a boat and some other boater is in trouble, you help them because next time it could be you. Per the United States Coast Guard: What is a Good Samaritan Vessel? A private vessel that renders voluntary aid without compensation to a person or vessel who is injured or in danger. Good Samaritans are expected to exercise reasonable care to avoid negligent conduct that worsens the position of the victims and to avoid reckless and wanton conduct in performing the rescue.Is there a duty to assist? • For centuries, sailors have voluntarily assisted others in distress. This maritime rescue doctrine encourages seafarers to go to the aid of life and property in distress. • Good Samaritan vessels are usually the first to arrive on scene, and are often critical in saving lives, especially in Alaska with its vast coastline and limited SAR facilities. • Federal statute, 46 USC 2304 requires a master to render assistance if the master can do so without serious danger to master's vessel or individuals on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 Here's the BodyCam. He sees a gun and goes trigger happy: What's better, guns or no guns? In this case having a weapon induced a killing at the hands of government. Someone prowling around your castle... What good did it do? Such a liability. /smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 12 hours ago, TH3 said: Police choosing to shoot perceived threats is known, is trained, is policy and holds up in court over and over again...numerous other similar incidents have police testifying in court that they have been following their training.... I will take it for granted they have not perjured themselves..... So if he was trained to shoot a perceived threat please explain why he’s been charged with murder. Get my point now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Still more lack of common sense British holidaymakers 'traumatised' after arrest at US border A British couple say they have been detained in the US after accidentally crossing the border from Canada. David Connors, 30, and his wife Eileen, 24, say they are being held in Pennsylvania with their three-month-old baby and are "traumatised". They say were driving with relatives on 3 October when, to avoid an animal, they veered onto a small road. A police officer then pulled them over, told them they were in the US state of Washington and arrested them. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50050467 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, ALF said: Still more lack of common sense British holidaymakers 'traumatised' after arrest at US border A British couple say they have been detained in the US after accidentally crossing the border from Canada. David Connors, 30, and his wife Eileen, 24, say they are being held in Pennsylvania with their three-month-old baby and are "traumatised". They say were driving with relatives on 3 October when, to avoid an animal, they veered onto a small road. A police officer then pulled them over, told them they were in the US state of Washington and arrested them. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50050467 I am guessing there is more to this story than what is being mentioned in the article. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, KRC said: I am guessing there is more to this story than what is being mentioned in the article. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 29 minutes ago, KRC said: I am guessing there is more to this story than what is being mentioned in the article. Kind of like my future brother in-law many many years ago. He totaled his Mustang and said he swerved to avoid hitting a cat. Even as a kid I didn’t believe him. So they swerved to avoid an animal and ended up on a small road? Um yeah....ok. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 39 minutes ago, KRC said: I am guessing there is more to this story than what is being mentioned in the article. No, I think it's pretty clear it's an advance copy of the defense lawyer's summation before the jury. British. Possum. Swerved. Small road. Trauma. The British are obviously the next disenfranchised people on the list. FREE THE BRITS FREE THE BRITS FREE THE BRITS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: No, I think it's pretty clear it's an advance copy of the defense lawyer's summation before the jury. British. Possum. Swerved. Small road. Trauma. The British are obviously the next disenfranchised people on the list. FREE THE BRITS FREE THE BRITS FREE THE BRITS #badteethmatter 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 23 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Some of you guys have your heads up your asses. Mistakes are sometimes made. While this is a tragedy and should be played out legally we have a country of 330 million people. Chances are we'll have a few "f" ups every day. Good point, how many times has this happened this month where everyone went home safe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Update: Fort Worth police announced this evening they arrested Dean for murder. Interim Police Chief Ed Kraus is expected to give more information at a news conference on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Kind of like my future brother in-law many many years ago. He totaled his Mustang and said he swerved to avoid hitting a cat. Even as a kid I didn’t believe him. So they swerved to avoid an animal and ended up on a small road? Um yeah....ok. ? Yeah. Swerving to avoid an animal and just continued down the small road to another country. Then, they were tossed in a gulag. Seems plausible. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 How da hell does this happen in America? By ExiledInIllinois Atatiana Jefferson pointed gun at window before Fort Worth officer killed her, nephew told authorities Tragic and she acted legally, but this makes it pretty much impossible to convict the cop of murder. I guess this is how, poor judgement by all involved leads to a tragedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 26 minutes ago, B-Man said: How da hell does this happen in America? By ExiledInIllinois Atatiana Jefferson pointed gun at window before Fort Worth officer killed her, nephew told authorities Tragic and she acted legally, but this makes it pretty much impossible to convict the cop of murder. I guess this is how, poor judgement by all involved leads to a tragedy Yeah I just heard that, and dont fault her for pulling a gun when she did. This all could have been avoided if the officer just identified himself. But yeah, this makes a murder conviction seem less likely imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. I lived in Oakland for 5 years. The crazy things we experienced, heard/saw in the middle of the night is the reason we left. I can't tell you the number of times the wife and I walked around our house in the middle of the night looking out our windows each with of us with a glock locked and loaded in our hands. We recorded from our security cam two cops looking in our window from our front porch. Shining a flashlight in our window after we asked our security monitoring company to call the cops 14 hours before that!! Yes they showed up 14 hours after the alarm went off and we reported it. Had I been in the window with Glock in hand who knows what might have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 16 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Here's the BodyCam. He sees a gun and goes trigger happy: He neutralized the threat!!! here is an awesome example of that. https://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/cop-shares-gunfight-lessons-from-isis-inspired-draw-the-prophet-terrorist-attack-iV5H704a3jD3VAnz/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 Just now, Gary M said: He neutralized the threat!!! here is an awesome example of that. https://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/cop-shares-gunfight-lessons-from-isis-inspired-draw-the-prophet-terrorist-attack-iV5H704a3jD3VAnz/ He sure neutralized the threat in a F.Worth home with an open door at 2 in the morning. That's why he resigned and they are pressing murder charges. /smh LMAO... I think there is a telephone pole you need to go neutralize when driving down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: He sure neutralized the threat in a F.Worth home with an open door at 2 in the morning. That's why he resigned and they are pressing murder charges. /smh LMAO... I think there is a telephone pole you need to go neutralize when driving down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 How da hell ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 Got a handgun? Be careful defending your castle... It just may be a cop sneaking around the back. Looks like having a gun in the house got her "death by cop." Geeze... Hope the real bad guys aren't paying attention... Going to pretend they are the police. "...The 28-year-old woman was playing video games with her nephew in the back bedroom of the home when they heard noises coming from outside, the document says. She then pulled her handgun from her purse, her nephew told police, and raised it. She was pointing it toward the window when she was shot and fell to the ground. It's unclear how much time passed before Jefferson was shot or whether the nephew heard the officer's voice..." 9 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: How da hell ! That's how. Read above. Yikes. When you hear something out your bedroom window (that's secured by a fence)... You should always shout: " Whooo is it?" Before digging for your revolver. Wow... This clown set back "defending your castle" back to the stone age by just not ringing, knocking & going through the front door saying: "Hello! THIS IS THE POLICE." Next time grab a rock. Forget the firearm. What's better, guns or no guns? In this case, no guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 All is not as first reported.........................not a surprise. Doesn't excuse it............................helps explain how horrible accidents happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 On 10/16/2019 at 2:12 AM, ExiledInIllinois said: Got a handgun? Be careful defending your castle... It just may be a cop sneaking around the back. Looks like having a gun in the house got her "death by cop." Geeze... Hope the real bad guys aren't paying attention... Going to pretend they are the police. "...The 28-year-old woman was playing video games with her nephew in the back bedroom of the home when they heard noises coming from outside, the document says. She then pulled her handgun from her purse, her nephew told police, and raised it. She was pointing it toward the window when she was shot and fell to the ground. It's unclear how much time passed before Jefferson was shot or whether the nephew heard the officer's voice..." That's how. Read above. Yikes. When you hear something out your bedroom window (that's secured by a fence)... You should always shout: " Whooo is it?" Before digging for your revolver. Wow... This clown set back "defending your castle" back to the stone age by just not ringing, knocking & going through the front door saying: "Hello! THIS IS THE POLICE." Next time grab a rock. Forget the firearm. What's better, guns or no guns? In this case, no guns. I think the lesson here is to slow walk the response to phone calls. Settle down, take some time, use the loudspeaker from the relative safety of the car. This will remove any confusion from the process, and keep both the public and the police safe. Also, the media will be able to accurately report on a story instead of running with the most inflammatory version possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 43 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I think the lesson here is to slow walk the response to phone calls. Settle down, take some time, use the loudspeaker from the relative safety of the car. This will remove any confusion from the process, and keep both the public and the police safe. Also, the media will be able to accurately report on a story instead of running with the most inflammatory version possible. Yeah. And wake up the whole neighborhood too. How about: "Don't call the police NO matter what!" Go it alone... People have the ability. How about walk your lazy azz (if you're the neighborly type) over and give a wellness shout out? Why in the world do people call police? True story: In 2000, my sister & young niece were staying at my house watching my 2 year old son when we went to Mexico for my BiL's wedding... He married a Mexican woman. Anyway, long story short... My sister is using the oven and the thermocouple goes out and oven stays on going to +500° and beyond. After calling boyfriend in Buffalo... She can't shut gas off... Can't pull stove away, too hot and since I have a 2 year old, the anti-tip/topple device is engaged. Try telling a hysterical woman who's afraid of burning down here brother's new house how to move the stove away to shut gas off. Okay, anyway... She called the cops. LMAO... They had to radio back-up. One's that preferably has welding gloves! They got gas shut off. LoL... Our stove was in middle of kitchen when we got back... LoL... FF to 2019...Let the house burn. I got insurance. J/K... Or just call fire department, they handle that stuff and don't have guns. Also... Back to topic. When is defending your castle, even know you left both front and back doors open, inflammatory? Let's blame the victim here. Everybody knows, lock your doors. Keeps busy body neighbors like Mrs.Kravitz from calling the PoPo... Who was watching her flank with a well placed: "Whooty WHO!" Some neighborhood that is! Anyway... Police don't need to take guns away... The government will take them when they shoot you dead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yeah. And wake up the whole neighborhood too. How about: "Don't call the police NO matter what!" Go it alone... People have the ability. How about walk your lazy azz (if you're the neighborly type) over and give a wellness shout out? Why in the world do people call police? True story: In 2000, my sister & young niece were staying at my house watching my 2 year old son when we went to Mexico for my BiL's wedding... He married a Mexican woman. Anyway, long story short... My sister is using the oven and the thermocouple goes out and oven stays on going to +500° and beyond. After calling boyfriend in Buffalo... She can't shut gas off... Can't pull stove away, too hot and since I have a 2 year old, the anti-tip/topple device is engaged. Try telling a hysterical woman who's afraid of burning down here brother's new house how to move the stove away to shut gas off. Okay, anyway... She called the cops. LMAO... They had to radio back-up. One's that preferably has welding gloves! They got gas shut off. LoL... Our stove was in middle of kitchen when we got back... LoL... FF to 2019...Let the house burn. I got insurance. J/K... Or just call fire department, they handle that stuff and don't have guns. Also... Back to topic. When is defending your castle, even know you left both front and back doors open, inflammatory? Let's blame the victim here. Everybody knows, lock your doors. Keeps busy body neighbors like Mrs.Kravitz from calling the PoPo... Who was watching her flank with a well placed: "Whooty WHO!" Some neighborhood that is! Anyway... Police don't need to take guns away... The government will take them when they shoot you dead! You've managed to spin a tale that starts with a defective thermocoupler, a hot single mom in a tasteful tube top and cutoff shorts heroically trying to save her child, a quick response by first responders while you are recklessly drinking shots of tequila out of the belly buttons of Mexican waitresses and evolves into a cautionary tale of the 911 system? In or about 2005, my son was choking on a piece of candy. I called 911, requested assistance but specificied neither fire nor police, and continued working trying to clear the obstruction. Well, we cleared his airway (or perhaps he just had an overload of chocolate and saliva) and all was well. The 911 system took the first responders to the wrong address, and about 30 minutes later they called to inquire where we lived. I shared my thoughts on the service provided, forcefully, and suggested they needed to do better, aggressively. Nearly 15 years later, I'd follow exactly the same process, though I'd be clear on where exactly the first responder would need to respond to. Sometimes luck is a good thing. True, I would take a chance that the individual who came out would not want to cleave my skull with an axe, or sneak into my backyard and fire upon me as I stood in my kitchen. Imo, however, the rewards outweigh the risk, and it's not even close. It's been estimated there are approximately 240m 911 calls per year, and I'm sure even you would agree that the vast majority do not end up as the horrible incident in Texas ended. Finally, your last paragraph about GGV (Government Gone Wild!) seems to be the argument that gun rights advocates offer when pointing to the need for personal ownership of firearms. I'll consider that. Oh--and I haven't seen anyone blaming the victim, where did you see that? Edited October 18, 2019 by leh-nerd skin-erd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Trump attacks federal judge, prosecutors in Twitter tirade defending Roger Stone The timing of the online attack prompted many to accuse President Trump of attempting to intimidate U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson and secure a more lenient sentence for his longtime confidant Roger Stone. By Allyson Chiu Prosecutors quit Stone case, raising questions about politicization at Justice Dept. Trump withdraws Treasury nomination after criticism related to Mueller prosecutions Lock Stone Up! Lock Stone Up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 On 10/15/2019 at 8:29 AM, ALF said: Still more lack of common sense British holidaymakers 'traumatised' after arrest at US border A British couple say they have been detained in the US after accidentally crossing the border from Canada. David Connors, 30, and his wife Eileen, 24, say they are being held in Pennsylvania with their three-month-old baby and are "traumatised". They say were driving with relatives on 3 October when, to avoid an animal, they veered onto a small road. A police officer then pulled them over, told them they were in the US state of Washington and arrested them. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50050467 I'm way late to this, but how TF did they get pulled over in Washington state and end up being held in Pennsylvania? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Walter M. Shaub Jr., the former head of the Office of Government Ethics, likened Tuesday’s actions to those in countries with authoritarian regimes. “A corrupt authoritarian and his henchmen are wielding the Justice Department as a shield for friends and a sword for political rivals,” Mr. Shaub said Wednesday in a Twitter post. “It is impossible to overstate the danger.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) Oh no! The evil despot Trump is getting rid of people working for him who are "resisting"; actively trying to defeat his agenda! We're all doomed! Democracy is in shambles! The Russians are coming! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!1111eleventyone Edited February 12, 2020 by Koko78 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Koko78 said: Oh no! The evil despot Trump is getting rid of people working for him who are "resisting"; actively trying to defeat his agenda! We're all doomed! Democracy is in shambles! The Russians are coming! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!1111eleventyone You do Gleeful Gator very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: You do Gleeful Gator very well. Koko's Greatest Hits "eleventyone" "TWO SCOOPS" More annoying than row 33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 32 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Koko's Greatest Hits "eleventyone" "TWO SCOOPS" More annoying than row 33 C'mon champ, eventually you're bound to come up with your own material - or even an original thought. I believe in you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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