Did Jonathan Jones purposely take out Josh Allen?

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

What I wanna know is when this team will stop being soft and be the ones delivering hits again?

 

What was the last big one, Takeo Spikes against I believe Jacksonville?

 

No response for Tre, their will be no response for Allen. Instead all we get is whining and how it isn't fair. 

 

Can we get someone who actually ***** lays a hit on someone once in awhile? I'm fine with 15 here and there.

This defense ain’t soft chief 

[Ol Dirty B]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

This defense ain’t soft chief 

 

They play solid, smart, and technically sound, but soft.

 

Instead of hitting someone, and I like Hyde a lot. He's great. Instead of responding with some physicality all we get is "the first words out of my mouth were if that was 12, we'd be ejected".

 

They watched Tre get an elbow from the top rope, and their QB get taken out by the same team and have never responded.

 

That's soft. 

Edited October 1, 2019 by Ol Dirty B

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

They play solid, smart, and technically sound, but soft.

 

Instead of hitting someone, and I like Hyde a lot. He's great. Instead of responding with some physicality all we get is "the first words out of my mouth were if that was 12, we'd be ejected".

 

They watched Tre get an elbow from the top rope, and their QB get taken out by the same team and have never responded.

 

That's soft. 

You retaliate and get suspended

 

We can't lose a starter either... It's a lose , lose, you retaliate with a hard clean hit on the field of play like a man

Edited October 1, 2019 by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

They play solid, smart, and technically soft.

 

But instead of hitting someone, and I like Hyde a lot. He's great. Instead of responding with some physicality all we get is "the first words out of my mouth were if that was 12, we'd be ejected".

 

They watched Tre get an elbow from the top rope, and their QB get taken out by the same team and have never responded.

 

That's soft. 

 

Nah man, they were trying to win that game. The defense carried the entire roster on a knife edge for 60 mins, they were too locked in for some lose-focus revenge BS. 

 

Hyde ain’t soft. Zo is hard as nails. Gore too. They were just locked in. 

[Ol Dirty B]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

 

Nah man, they were trying to win that game. The defense carried the entire roster on a knife edge for 60 mins, they were too locked in for some lose-focus revenge BS. 

 

Hyde ain’t soft. Zo is hard as nails. Gore too. They were just locked in. 

 

Gore plays defense?

[GoBills808]

Just now, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Gore plays defense?

Just talking about the team in general. You know, like how you asked ‘when will this team stop being soft’ in the comment I responded to? 

[Ol Dirty B]

8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Just talking about the team in general. You know, like how you asked ‘when will this team stop being soft’ in the comment I responded to? 

 

Sorry thought it was clear I was talking about the defense. Like everything you also talked about in your post before you randomly threw Gore into it.

 

They're great, but they're soft. They can get the job done though. I'll be fine with it if they get this team into the playoffs again.

13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You retaliate and get suspended

 

We can't lose a starter either... It's a lose , lose, you retaliate with a hard clean hit on the field of play like a man

 

I agree... and when have you seen them have one of those clean hard hits last? They play well physically in some aspects of the game, pressing, but when it comes to hitting someone... I just don't see it, ever.

 

And I'm not saying get suspended... but I'm fine with a 15 here and there. This league isn't suspending dudes left and right, just Burfict.

Edited October 1, 2019 by Ol Dirty B

[LSHMEAB]

16 hours ago, mattynh said:

It was a penalty, we can argue about intent and if he should have been ejected all day and I am sure he will get fined.  But to go frame by frame and decide that he changed his target for the sole intent on injuring is pure conjecture.  Given the down and distance, it was important to stop forward progress immediately.  Here is the thing from my perspective, the QB should use his arm to beat the opponent and not have to rely on putting his head down and trying to move the chains.  If that continues, injuries will continue.

Yeah. People are definitely overthinking this based on emotion. It was the type of dirty hit not all that uncommon to the game. Intentional dirty hit? Yes. Some kind of vendetta or intent to take Josh Allen out the game? Pure conjecture. It's like people are trying to relitigate the game to somehow change or explain the outcome after the fact. It's an exercise in futility. The game happened. The QB didn't play well. Seemed to be playing somewhat better in the second half largely reverting to what works for him but lends itself to injury unless you make protecting your body a priority. He has not learned that lesson yet, and maybe this will be a good one for him long term. Slide and live to face another down or this can and will happen. The guy you want to emulate is Russell Wilson. He's willing to give up a few yards to ensure that he remains healthy and in the game. Tough, but perhaps necessary teachable moment for Allen.

 

At this point, I'm over the game that occurred on Sunday, hoping Allen can recover quickly, and focused on the Titans regardless of whether it's Barkley or Allen. That means nothing because I'm just a fan, but I'm sure McDerott has the same approach, which is much more important than a message board post. You leave the past in the past and focus on the task at hand.

[1ManRaid]

Any attempt to be "hard" and get revenge against the Patriots is going to result in game killing retaliation penalties and maybe even ejections/suspensions.  For crying out loud, Pats D-linemen are TAUGHT to throw their hands in the air if they get beat on a run because they know the refs will throw a flag if they do.  You don't think they will eject a Bills player for responding against Brady like that or even Jones?  Gotta be extra careful when the refs are in the pocket of the team owner who is on the officiating committee, and the league's golden boy QB.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Sorry thought it was clear I was talking about the defense. Like everything you also talked about in your post before you randomly threw Gore into it.

 

They're great, but they're soft. They can get the job done though. I'll be fine with it if they get this team into the playoffs again.

Lol ok sure, the Bills defense is ‘soft’. You wanna die on that hill be my guest. 

[Ol Dirty B]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Lol ok sure, the Bills defense is ‘soft’. You wanna die on that hill be my guest. 

 

I'm not really dying on any hill... It's just an opinion...

 

You should lighten up.

Edited October 1, 2019 by Ol Dirty B

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I'm not really dying on any hill... It's just an opinion...

 

You should lighten up.

I’m light, it’s not like I’m making the same argument in different threads or anything.

[Ol Dirty B]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

I’m light, it’s not like I’m making the same argument in different threads or anything.

 

I'm not even sure what that means...

 

Doesn't sound like someone who has lightened up

[Agent 91]

To end this arguement... Josh... FEET FIRST!!!

With this defense. You will more than likely live to see another day. Of course they are trying to end you. This is the only team in the AFCEast who poses a threat. SLIDE!!!

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I'm not even sure what that means...

 

Doesn't sound like someone who has lightened up

 

Here ya go

 

26 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I'd like to believe you're right, but after the ***** gronk pulled on Tre I've lost any faith in this team responding to physicality. Especially the defense.

 

It seems like the Oline doesn't take any crap, even if they stink at times they seem to have Allens back.

 

The D? Amazing, great... but soft and finesse

 

[Ol Dirty B]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

 

Here ya go

 

 

 

So I gave the same opinion in another thread? Would it have been better if I said the opposite of what I thought? 

 

I feel like you think you're making a point, but you're really not. I just made another post in another thread. It's not like I'm flooding the board creating threads. 

 

Do you always have this difficult of a time when someone disagrees with you? Why you following me around lol?

6 minutes ago, Agent 91 said:

To end this arguement... Josh... FEET FIRST!!!

With this defense. You will more than likely live to see another day. Of course they are trying to end you. This is the only team in the AFCEast who poses a threat. SLIDE!!!

 

Agreed, people hate this, but I thought he should have slid too. Then decide whether to pin them back or go for it on 4th and 3.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

So I gave the same opinion in another thread? Would it have been better if I said the opposite of what I thought? 

 

I feel like you think you're making a point, but you're really not. I just made another post in another thread. It's not like I'm flooding the board creating threads. 

 

Do you always have this difficult of a time when someone disagrees with you? Why you following me around lol?

Well if you’re going to play dumb at least you go the whole way, I’ll give you credit for that.

 

To reiterate: you contention, so firmly held you felt compelled to throw it out in multiple threads, that the Bills defense is ‘soft’ because they didn’t retaliate...is dumb. 

[Ol Dirty B]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Well if you’re going to play dumb at least you go the whole way, I’ll give you credit for that.

 

To reiterate: you contention, so firmly held you felt compelled to throw it out in multiple threads, that the Bills defense is ‘soft’ because they didn’t retaliate...is dumb. 

 

I don't like being the guy to make that argument, but at a certain point when is someone going to lay a hit on someone? Especially against a team that routinely takes cheap shots. 

 

All they do is whine. I don't believe it's always the right way to go, but against the Pats, I think it is.

 

What's the one team in the AFC that always gave them a problem? The Ravens. They were always physical, Pollard was knocking guys out with crazy hits. The Ravens always gave them problems.

 

The Bills? Meh 31-3. You can call me dumb, but you're rooting for a proven losing strategy.

 

 

[purple haze]

2 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

I agree that Josh sets himself up for this type of hit and needs to learn to slide. But...

 

Intention can only be known by one man: the guy who made the hit. I saw the replay, guy seemed pretty proud of the hit. Maybe he was just proud of finishing a play, maybe not. Can you honestly say that if Brady was on the receiving end the NFL wouldn't be reviewing further? 

 

 

Sure they would.  Brady is an all time great QB.  He's also known for not taking hits.  If a D-Lineman gets close to him he throws the ball away or falls down.  Josh wants to run and stiff arm people, etc.  I love it, but like I said, if he acts like a RB, defenders and the refs will treat him like that.  Especially being as big as he is.  A DB can't just "grab" Allen and stop him.  They have to hit him with venom or he's running through them.

[purple haze]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Lotta words from the unemotional guy

My point is well made.  Do you have one that is relevant or do you want to keep hiding your hurt feelings behind sarcasm?  ?  I'm here for you guy. ??

[Buffalo Barbarian]

I wouldn't say he was thinking he was going to take out Allen but he definitely went after his head. Tasker was saying on OBL that it was Allen 's fault too ,which is BS , just because Allen is running doesn't mean you can hit him in the head. Jones was standing but he clearly launched into Allen's head when he could have went lower and should have been ejected.

 

 

[Chandler#81]

Ok. Everyone take a deep breath. 

Your disagreements are hijacking the thread. 

[UglyTruth]

Many Patriots fans said it wouldn't have made sense for NE to want Allen injured because he was essentially the Patriots best player due to his miscues on Sunday.

 

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Anyone been to the bills forum to see them foaming at the mouth over this?

They’re actually suggesting somebody would intentionally knock Allen out of a football game. Is there a defensive coordinator in the NFL who would want Josh a Allen on the sideline? I doubt it

 

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100% on Allen here. Why would the Patriots even want to knock him out of the game? He won it for us.

 

https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/the-jonathan-jones-hit-wasnt-dirty.1149805/page-5

[GoBills808]

The point is, you don’t hit a runner like Allen high if you’re that DB unless he’s off balance and your intent is to cause damage. If you’re trying to bring him down you go low because Allen is a load and you don’t want to get steamrolled. But if you see he’s not able to protect himself because he’s got another guy hanging off him and he’s off balance, you high because you can lay a big hit and try to take him out.

 

 

[SinceThe70s]

36 minutes ago, purple haze said:

Sure they would.  Brady is an all time great QB.  He's also known for not taking hits.  If a D-Lineman gets close to him he throws the ball away or falls down.  Josh wants to run and stiff arm people, etc.  I love it, but like I said, if he acts like a RB, defenders and the refs will treat him like that.  Especially being as big as he is.  A DB can't just "grab" Allen and stop him.  They have to hit him with venom or he's running through them.

 

You're either ignorant, delusional or trolling if you think that if Brady was on the receiving end of a similar hit it wouldn't be handled differently. We've seen just the opposite repeatedly.  You're insinuation that Josh 'got what he deserved' because he's reckless or not an all time great makes no sense to me. 

 

I already acknowledged that Josh sets himself up for this type of hit. That doesn't it excuse the hit - unless you're a Pats fan that thinks there are rules for Marcia and  other rules for everyone else.

[Búfalo Blanco]

Of course he did it on purpose. C’mon... The Pats have little fear of penalties affecting them. I mean, to be fair... Belichick and Co. work quite consistently on this. At the same time, they also understand that NFL officials will give them the benefit of the doubt... It’s the Patriots! Special treatment is part of the gig in Foxborough. “Tuck” the ball, OT tackles a pass rusher, prop up Josh Allen and let your boy take a head shot, hurdle the line, ignore a TD by Kelvin Benjamin, allow Wilfork to gracefully fall right into Losman’s knee... should I go on..? I’m just waiting for Jarvis Landry to end up with the Pats, so we can see another member of our secondary have his career ended while the zebras figure out how to offset another head hunting.

[Pirate Angel]

Josh needs to play smarter period....not only with protecting the football but protecting himself, if a quarterback is going to continually expose himself in the open field the way Josh does he is going to get lit up. Wether it's legal, dirty, illegal, it's going to happen again and again untill the kid plays smarter. The designed run plays need to tone it down a notch too. The Bully will always be a bully until you give them the black eye, 5 turnovers to the patriots and we still could have won. 

[BillyD0123]

23 hours ago, HOUSE said:

I watched this clip over and over, my eyes hurt. If you watch closely Jonathon Jones is clearly aiming for a shoulder pad hit but at the last moment raises his head to hit Josh Allen helmet to helmet.

IMO, its a clear attempt to injure.

 

 

 

 

The answer is no. It was db's vs a running back. Go feet first and he'll have a longer career.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On 9/30/2019 at 6:53 PM, Sherlock Holmes said:

How is it a conspiracy theory if there is a repeated pattern anybody can see game after game with these cheaters? Just because somebody is blind to something doesn't make the people who are aware conspiracy nuts

there lies the rub.  "conspiracy theory" (1)

 

1 Was he told by a coach to specifically "take out Allen" with a head shot?  

2  Was he taught by his coaches to make that kind of hit on everyone?         EDITED

3 Was he a total ass to have "taken out Allen" with a head shot?  

 

Do some guys in the NFL play dirty?   Yes. 

Should we be surprised by repeat offenders?  No.

 

I don't like the hit on Josh at all.   These type of injuries happen to QB's that are not smart enough to slide. 

 

On 10/1/2019 at 3:09 AM, Chandler#81 said:

Ok. Everyone take a deep breath. 

Your disagreements are hijacking the thread. 

 

That would never happen!!!

On 10/1/2019 at 3:00 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

I wouldn't say he was thinking he was going to take out Allen but he definitely went after his head. Tasker was saying on OBL that it was Allen 's fault too ,which is BS , just because Allen is running doesn't mean you can hit him in the head. Jones was standing but he clearly launched into Allen's head when he could have went lower and should have been ejected.

 

yup.    It all depends on which angle you look at.   

 

Josh should have gone feet first.   What was 6 extra inched getting him?  

Edited October 2, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

there lies the rub.  "conspiracy theory" (1)

 

1 Was he told by a coach to specifically "take out Allen" with a head shot?  

2 Was he a total ass to have "taken out Allen" with a head shot?  

 

Do some guys in the NFL play dirty?   Yes. 

Should we be surprised by repeat offenders?  No.

 

I don't like the hit on Josh at all.   These type of injuries happen to QB's that are not smart enough to slide. 

 

 

That would never happen!!!

yup.    It all depends on which angle you look at.   

 

Josh should have gone feet first.   What was 6 extra inched getting him?  

Well bountygate points to coaches in fact telling their players to injure other players... Solid evidence says this happens.

[purple haze]

7 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

You're either ignorant, delusional or trolling if you think that if Brady was on the receiving end of a similar hit it wouldn't be handled differently. We've seen just the opposite repeatedly.  You're insinuation that Josh 'got what he deserved' because he's reckless or not an all time great makes no sense to me. 

 

I already acknowledged that Josh sets himself up for this type of hit. That doesn't it excuse the hit - unless you're a Pats fan that thinks there are rules for Marcia and  other rules for everyone else.

I said it would be handled differently if it were Brady; reading is fundamental.  Brady is an all time great.  We already know the league protects him unlike others.  If you don't think Brady's stature in the game leads to the red carpet the league gives him I don't know what to tell you.  I didn't say it was right, but it is what is.  

 

Again, watch the league.  If it were Rogers or Brees they probably get the Brady treatment. Cam Newton?  Nope.  It was an entire controversy just a few years back.   There are rules or perceptions of what does or does not break them; there are no guarantees.  The guarantee is if Allen slid there would be no possibility to take that shot.

 

 

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Tom E. Curran

 

✔@tomecurran

 

 

B.B. on OMF regarding Jonathan Jones’ tackle of Josh Allen : “Jon did what we’ve coached him to do. If that’s a foul we’ll have to coach him differently.”

 

243

5:50 PM - Sep 30, 2019

If it were Tom that got hit ....  Hell on earth 

[Simon]

In the 4th quarter of a tight game between undefeated division rivals, it's time to ball out.

Y'all can toss all the tomatoes you want, but the shot that knocked out Josh was just good hard defensive football from a guy protecting the sticks on a big 3rd down.

I'd expect nothing less from Poyer or Hyde in that situation.

[Orlando Tim]

Josh needs to learn that in the NFL there a ton of dirty players who are looking for an opportunity to hurt him, just like a great player in nhl. But to actual question: yes is was probably intentional definitely dirty and Jackson should have been thrown out. 

10 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Tom E. Curran

 

✔@tomecurran

 

 

B.B. on OMF regarding Jonathan Jones’ tackle of Josh Allen : “Jon did what we’ve coached him to do. If that’s a foul we’ll have to coach him differently.”

 

243

5:50 PM - Sep 30, 2019

If it were Tom that got hit ....  Hell on earth 

Wait the guy who has been caught cheating how many times might have taught his players to cheat?!! I am shocked I tell you. He loves dudes with no class or ethics.

[Happy]

18 hours ago, UglyTruth said:

Many Patriots fans said it wouldn't have made sense for NE to want Allen injured because he was essentially the Patriots best player due to his miscues on Sunday.

 

 

 

https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/the-jonathan-jones-hit-wasnt-dirty.1149805/page-5

 

One of those knuckle heads suggested it was borderline spearing by Josh Allen.  That poster goes by "Zuma", which must mean "farm animal stupid."

 

https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/the-jonathan-jones-hit-wasnt-dirty.1149805/

[Doc]

11 hours ago, purple haze said:

I said it would be handled differently if it were Brady; reading is fundamental.  Brady is an all time great.  We already know the league protects him unlike others.  If you don't think Brady's stature in the game leads to the red carpet the league gives him I don't know what to tell you.  I didn't say it was right, but it is what is.  

 

Again, watch the league.  If it were Rogers or Brees they probably get the Brady treatment. Cam Newton?  Nope.  It was an entire controversy just a few years back.   There are rules or perceptions of what does or does not break them; there are no guarantees.  The guarantee is if Allen slid there would be no possibility to take that shot.

 

Don't bet on it.  Kiko tried to take Josh's head off after sliding last year.  There is no guarantee, especially against a dirty, cheating and favored team like the Cheaters.  They know they'll only get a measly 15 yard penalty, but a chance to take a guy out.  Whereas the refs need to tell guys to lay off of Tommy Boy.

 

My only wish is that they do the same back to them.  But they won't.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

It was a head butt. No question about it. The question is why is the NFL still giving the Patriots special treatment. He should be suspended a minimum of 4 games. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

19 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

Josh should have gone feet first.   What was 6 extra inched getting him?  

 

He was being grabbed from behind, so hard for him to slide in that position. Jones could have and should have went lower.

 

 

[Agent 91]

On 10/1/2019 at 1:32 AM, Ol Dirty B said:

 

So I gave the same opinion in another thread? Would it have been better if I said the opposite of what I thought? 

 

I feel like you think you're making a point, but you're really not. I just made another post in another thread. It's not like I'm flooding the board creating threads. 

 

Do you always have this difficult of a time when someone disagrees with you? Why you following me around lol?

 

Agreed, people hate this, but I thought he should have slid too. Then decide whether to pin them back or go for it on 4th and 3.

The way the defense was playing. I woukd have had some faith that they could get ne ther ball back. A punt in a game Brady wanted back would have been fine

[Livinginthepast]

In the end intent doesn't matter one iota. Jones lowered his head and his helmet hit Allen's . Sorry 15 yard flag and instant ejection.  If the inept refs didn't see the hit then why did they flag it? And if they saw it and flagged it for a helmet contact then the logical step next is ejection. At the moment that Josh hits the turf Riveron and his team should have been in contact with the refs on field and explained that was a flagrant hit and an ejection was warranted. But it was the Pats and this league apparently is devoid of logic.