Report: Jay Gruden’s job could depend on Sunday’s game vs NYG

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

17 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I would love to see Haskins dad’s take over for AB as far as non-Bill popularity.  AB has cooled down...step up Father Haskins.

 

...LMAO...Snyder attracts the "fatherly figures"......RG II 1/8 had "Papa RG" right by his side chirping......

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Binghamton Beast said:

Can we switch the Patriots and Redskins in the AFC East and NFC East?

 

Please?

 

If they did that the P*ts would get comp picks. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, Rob's House said:

Snyder is a fan who thinks he knows better than the pros, and can't seem to help himself from overruling them.

(looks around TBD-TSW membership, wondering which one of us is him...?)

[MrSarcasm]

IMHO Gruden has gotten screwed. They have given the guy 0 talent and he still remains competitive.

 

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Edited September 28, 2019 by MrSarcasm

[Ga boy]

1 hour ago, Rob's House said:

Gruden's had some tough luck on that team. He followed a 4-12 debut season (an improvement from his predecessor) with 2 winning seasons. After a down year in 2017 (7-9) they looked poised to make the playoffs starting 6-3 before losing their QB (and then losing their b/u QB) to injury. Now they're paying a A Smith a huge chunk of money to rehab.

 

I don't know how much influence Gruden has over personnel, but it's fair to wonder if the reason for some of their draft blunders and personnel problems (i.e. mediocre talents like Josh Norman eating up their cap space) is their meddling owner. Snyder is a fan who thinks he knows better than the pros, and can't seem to help himself from overruling them.

 

He's the common denominator in Washington over the last 20+ years.

As a Bill's fan in NVA, I'm starting to hear that Jay is toast.  Good coach but dealt a bad hand, especially with QB going on rehab and meddling owner.  Hard luck for Jay, but it's happened before in NFL. 

 

[Rochesterfan]

16 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

This is so dumb.  They've had five plus years to evaluate the guy and they're basing whether he can keep his job off one game vs. the hapless Giants?

 

 

I don’t think they are basing it on one game.  Similar to Fisher in STL/LA - Gruden wants the rookie to have as much time as possible and the owner wants to play him to have a shot at winning.  Gruden is dead man walking and now it just comes down to how long before they pull the trigger.

 

Much like LA - this will end with the coach being fired and the QB never looking ready this season - then we will see what offensive juggernaut Snyder tries to lure into his web to get the play he is looking for.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

12 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Snyder decides most everything.  Who's going to stop him?

 

 

...hopefully NOBODY.......hate to see an end to "Boy Danny's Failed Fantasy".....he's tied with Jurrah on "my list"......find a better set of matching azzclown book ends.....

Edited September 28, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[frostbitmic]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

If they did that the P*ts would get comp picks. 

They'll get two third round picks for Antonio Brown.

[stuvian]

9 hours ago, MrSarcasm said:

IMHO Gruden has gotten screwed. They have given the guy 0 talent and he still remains competitive.

 

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I agree. I can't believe how many wins he's coaxed out of these mediocre teams. I'm actually quite impressed by him

[Saint Doug]

As a PSA, just to let people know of Father Haskins:

 

https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/04/heres-the-strange-conversation-i-had-with-dawyne-haskins-father-before-he-hung-up-on-me.html

[Ethan in Cleveland]

What has Jay Gruden done to keep his job? 

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

What has Jay Gruden done to keep his job? 

 

Is arriving early each morning and cutting up the orange slices for halftime not enough? 

[StHustle]

This is why you have a QB on your practice squad, to run scout team. Giving your #2 QB zero reps is VERY irresponsible as a coach, EXPECIALLY you first round rookie QB. When the hell is he supposed to get developed? On gameday watching from the sidelines? 

 

Chris Thompson talking about how long he has been in the league is irrelevant since all he knows is how Jay Gruden does stuff. 

[row_33]

15 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

Can we switch the Patriots and Redskins in the AFC East and NFC East?

 

Please?

be grateful the Colts left the Bills division or it would have been Brady and Peyton giving the Bills an automatic 0-4 every season.

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Gruden should hope so.

 

 

On 9/27/2019 at 4:41 PM, thenorthremembers said:

I'd say this is a smart move, but the owner is as much to blame for this as anyone else.  They need to get a real GM again and start building their team.

 

Hopefully Marone and Shurmur wont be long after.

 

they need to get rid of Snyder.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 9/27/2019 at 8:14 PM, billsfan89 said:

 

Snyder is a frustrating bad owner because he is always willing to spend the money, much like James Dolan he wants to win but he can't get out of his own way to do so. If Snyder would just stop meddling in the teams affairs from a football perspective they probably would have had much much much more success in the past 20 years. Once again if an owner is cheap that sucks but you at least understand what is handicapping the team and know that winning isn't on the owners list of priorities. However if you are so thirsty for win but you are the problem then the solution is frustratingly obvious to everyone except the owner. 

 

thank God we have the Pegulas, they learned quick from their mistakes and let the football people do their job.

 

 

15 minutes ago, row_33 said:

be grateful the Colts left the Bills division or it would have been Brady and Peyton giving the Bills an automatic 0-4 every season.

 

 

i thought the same thing back then.

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

7 hours ago, StHustle said:

This is why you have a QB on your practice squad, to run scout team. Giving your #2 QB zero reps is VERY irresponsible as a coach, EXPECIALLY you first round rookie QB. When the hell is he supposed to get developed? On gameday watching from the sidelines? 

 

Chris Thompson talking about how long he has been in the league is irrelevant since all he knows is how Jay Gruden does stuff. 

 

Chris mentions this because it is not true - he spent his first year in the league with Old school Mike Shanahan and it was the same set-up then.

 

Even Tasker mentioned it on OBL both on the teams he played on and the ones he watched as a broadcaster.  Almost exclusively the vast majority of the reps go to the starter - they have to get him ready for the game plan.  The back-ups get mostly mental reps or some scout team work because they are not given enough practice time under the CBA to develop both.

 

This would be especially true in a place like Washington where the back-up In Haskins and the starter Keenum are 2 very different stylistic players and therefore if you are starting Haskins you probably need a totally different game plan.

 

The limits in place by the CBA on practice and the need for coaches to win drive the issue with QB development.  It was talked about significantly last year with Josh Allen.  The team tried to give him as many reps in the preseason as possible because once the season starts the starter gets 90-95% of the limited reps - so it becomes a mental learning game rather than physical.

[mannc]

8 hours ago, row_33 said:

be grateful the Colts left the Bills division or it would have been Brady and Peyton giving the Bills an automatic 0-4 every season.

 

How would that have been worse than what actually happened?

[StHustle]

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Chris mentions this because it is not true - he spent his first year in the league with Old school Mike Shanahan and it was the same set-up then.

 

Even Tasker mentioned it on OBL both on the teams he played on and the ones he watched as a broadcaster.  Almost exclusively the vast majority of the reps go to the starter - they have to get him ready for the game plan.  The back-ups get mostly mental reps or some scout team work because they are not given enough practice time under the CBA to develop both.

 

This would be especially true in a place like Washington where the back-up In Haskins and the starter Keenum are 2 very different stylistic players and therefore if you are starting Haskins you probably need a totally different game plan.

 

The limits in place by the CBA on practice and the need for coaches to win drive the issue with QB development.  It was talked about significantly last year with Josh Allen.  The team tried to give him as many reps in the preseason as possible because once the season starts the starter gets 90-95% of the limited reps - so it becomes a mental learning game rather than physical.

 

You CANT operate like this after drafting a first round QB. You are suppose to develop your QB off mental reps??? Tell me how this strategy makes a lick of sense. Clearly other coaches give their #2 reps. Your GM drafts a 1st round QB you need to change how you run your practices. I mean come on, lets be realistic, how long does a rep take? GOTTA MAKE IT HAPPEN.

[Stevie Ray]

5 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

You CANT operate like this after drafting a first round QB. You are suppose to develop your QB off mental reps??? Tell me how this strategy makes a lick of sense. Clearly other coaches give their #2 reps. Your GM drafts a 1st round QB you need to change how you run your practices. I mean come on, lets be realistic, how long does a rep take? GOTTA MAKE IT HAPPEN.

It may not make sense, but it does seem to be the norm these days as far as the backup not getting any reps, or barely any during the week. And in Daniel Jones case, it doesn't seem to have hurt him so far:

https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/08/the-mistake-giants-simply-cant-make-after-qb-daniel-jones-great-preseason-whats-next-for-rookie.html

[Rochesterfan]

5 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

You CANT operate like this after drafting a first round QB. You are suppose to develop your QB off mental reps??? Tell me how this strategy makes a lick of sense. Clearly other coaches give their #2 reps. Your GM drafts a 1st round QB you need to change how you run your practices. I mean come on, lets be realistic, how long does a rep take? GOTTA MAKE IT HAPPEN.

 

 

His job is to win games and get the team ready for the upcoming game.  It is not clear that other teams give the number 2 any significant reps - as a matter of fact - I keep hearing more from people saying Jay is the norm - especially with the new CBA.  The back-up players seem to typically get about 5% of the snaps or probably 10-15 during the week.

 

How many Reps do you think JA got prior to that first game last year.  It was part of the reason many people wanted him starting.  The starters get 95% of the reps to get prepared.

 

How many reps do teams get to take during a week - you are limited to a couple of hours of practice during the week and limited days and you are spending time installing plays for the week and teaching the starters what to expect.  He would be remiss to basically stop getting the team ready for a game  - so that he can give a back-up QB a few more reps when he is not playing.  Even then if he moved it to 50% - it is still very limited reps overall especially later in the season as they spend more time mentally preparing.  

 

Your GM drafts a QB, but does not suddenly mean the HC has a pass to not try and win. Jay is going to be gone anyway - so he has to focus on the team as it is now.  Once they are eliminated they can look to get Haskins ready.

[StHustle]

3 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Your GM drafts a QB, but does not suddenly mean the HC has a pass to not try and win. Jay is going to be gone anyway - so he has to focus on the team as it is now.  Once they are eliminated they can look to get Haskins ready.

 

Going to yoursl rookie can at least buy you some time. Either Gruden is dumb as a box of rocks or he has zero belief in Haskins ability as it stands right now. They are 0-3 and still not going to the rookie? It took McDermott ONE HALF to pull the plug. It took Giants two games, last year it took Browns 3 games, I mean 1st rounders routinely get inserted after bad starts by the incumbent. Now reports are if he loses this game he is done. Wouldn't have been the case if he turned to Haskins. Why not turn the tables on the GM and owner if it's true Haskins was THEIR guy. I'm not the only one scratching my head over this.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Win or get fired is all over the morning news in the DC region.  

[Rochesterfan]

41 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

Going to yoursl rookie can at least buy you some time. Either Gruden is dumb as a box of rocks or he has zero belief in Haskins ability as it stands right now. They are 0-3 and still not going to the rookie? It took McDermott ONE HALF to pull the plug. It took Giants two games, last year it took Browns 3 games, I mean 1st rounders routinely get inserted after bad starts by the incumbent. Now reports are if he loses this game he is done. Wouldn't have been the case if he turned to Haskins. Why not turn the tables on the GM and owner if it's true Haskins was THEIR guy. I'm not the only one scratching my head over this.

 

 

I don’t disagree with that.  I believe that the Redskins planned to try and win this year and the Haskins was not going to do that.

 

I think at this point they were looking at the first 4 games as a barometer and it is obvious they are not good.

 

They need to move to Haskins at some point and I think Gruden would like to get through the NE game - the ownership would like to go faster.

 

I don’t think Gruden survived no matter what - so to me it was stupid to draft a QB and keep the same coaching staff.  They should have made the move in the off season before the draft - just to get the familiarity and stability.

 

They will be switching everything this off season- so getting Haskins any time does very little for his future growth.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

A personal experience with Snyder.  Right after he bought the team, the training camp was in Frostburg, Maryland (in the mountains of western MD).  They traditionally had a preseason scrimmage with the Steelers.  I drove to Frostburg on the interstate, for the scrimmage, and before you exited for Frostburg there was a massive traffic jam.  It took forever to exit and get to the stadium.  As you approached the stadium, you saw what the problem was.  The road was partially closed off because Snyder's personal helicopter was arriving at a field adjacent to the road. 

 

Norv Turner was the coach of the Redskins at the time.  The Skins lost the scrimmage.  I was walking across the playing field after it ended and saw a clearly unhappy Snyder approaching Turner.  I watched as he directed Turner to a little building along the side of the field.  They went in and Snyder slammed the door.  I guess Turner got an earful from this neophyte, controlling owner.  Little has changed.  The local press has been reporting that dozens of administrative staff members have quit over the past year, apparently because of the work environment.  You apparently have to be desperate to want to work for this guy.