64.1% = Josh Allen's completion percentage through 3 games

[WideNine]

3 hours ago, VW82 said:

I don't understand this post. Josh had a really good game today -- can't we just leave it at that?

 

64% and 7.6 YPA are average for an NFL QB. He also has four TOVs through two games not counting the should-have-been-strip sack today and dropped pick and called back INT in game one. Josh had accuracy issues on several throws today just as he did in week one, and in each of the three preseason games too. It should be obvious to anyone who's watched him play he has intermittent problems with accuracy. Why do we need to bend the truth and pretend like that doesn't exist? There's more than enough to like about him already that we don't need to do that. 

 

I was thoroughly impressed with Allen's play today. It showed that he's improving and that he has a tonne of potential. It did not prove that everyone has been wrong all along about his various bugaboos.  

 

We can all bend the truth... a bit......can't we?

 

4 TOVs by Allen with no qualifying info? - I will put one of those squarely on Allen and 3 as bad bounces and execution around him (1 ball popped up by Beasley, 1 ball tipped at line directly to defender, 1 Tackle cleanly beat and ball stripped from behind).

 

The "strip sack" you mention today was Allen clearly in the grasp (they almost ripped his jersey off), a very, very slow whistle, and a Giants defender that while down on the ground brought his foot up to kick at Allen and ended up kicking the ball out. But a "should have been strip sack" of a reckless Allen supports a better negative narrative right?

[GreggTX]

His accuracy is much better, but don't kid yourself. It's still an issue. Accuracy is always an issue and Allen's accuracy is now pretty average. He was awful under pressure in week 1, which is another big issue, but to his credit, he cleaned a lot of that up in week 2. Most posters are overrating him now. That Giants game was his best game to date, however, so there is some cause for optimism.

Edited September 16, 2019 by GreggTX

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, MDH said:

So wait, is completion percentage important now? When Allen is 52% it doesn’t matter but if he’s 64% it’s suddenly an important stat? 

 

Can’t have it both ways.

 

I mean this is exactly right but we shouldn’t gloss over the performance. Allen played great; he also cost his team 7 points. Give and take, he’s getting better.

[Seven-N-Nine]

7 hours ago, Doc said:

I honestly didn’t care if Josh was even below 60%. He’s got an arm and legs that can make up for the occasional misfire. But glad to see he’s well above 60% so far. 

It's not so much "caring" whether or not he is a sub-60% QB.  It's about winning.  If your QB is sub-60% it points to an unbalanced attack on offense. The short game does inflate a QB's %, but they have to be good at the short game to win in this league.  

[oldmanfan]

Come on now.  Transplant is justhaving some fun with those who kept harping on the 60% completion rate as if were the Holy Grail.

 

The kid is doing just fine.  And he’ll miss some throws.  So will Brady.

[HOUSE]

The haters gonna hate even if Josh Allen is playing in the Superbowl

[FiftyPercent]

9 hours ago, NC Book said:

Seems to get better week to week, which is very encouraging.

Definitely so far.  I'll be impressed if he can keep this percentage all season.

[thebandit27]

2 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

 

I mean this is exactly right but we shouldn’t gloss over the performance. Allen played great; he also cost his team 7 points. Give and take, he’s getting better.

 

How did he "cost his team 7 points"?

[Bevis]

5 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

The haters gonna hate even if Josh Allen is playing in the Superbowl

I grew up with Bills fans who hated Kelly, while playing in super bowls.  They were right in saying he'd never win one.

[JoPoy88]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

It matters and mattered as a team stat.

 

A handful of posters viewed it as the definition of accuracy.

Holy hell way to generalize. Unbelievable. Some people think it’s an indicator or accuracy, and you fought them tooth and nail. Now it’s all good? Like MDH said, you can’t have it both ways. And allen doesn’t need someone toting his jock 24/7. 

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

How did he "cost his team 7 points"?

 

He overthrew brown by 6 yards when he had 6 yards of separation on the nearest defender. Sorry, 6 points

[Real McClappy]

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They were talking about it early on the pregame show today and used Cam as the example. He won an MVP at 59% and had the worst year of his career at 68%. It’s a totally worthless stat because so many factors count. Trent Edwards probably could have completed 75% but it would have been awful. 

7-5 as a starter is the biggest stat for me. 

[JoPoy88]

10 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

7-5 as a starter is the biggest stat for me. 

 

It’s really the only thing that matters. He’s good enough to win, and win convincingly. We’ll see if he can win against good teams in a couple of weeks.  

 

The rest of these clowns move their goalposts so frequently it’s impossible to keep track

[CSBill]

11 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I’m waiting for the post that says he has to be over 70% 

 

I'll take 75  ?

[FeelingOnYouboty]

His adjusted completion percentage so far is elite!

[GunnerBill]

Josh's only "bad miss" was Zay on the slant in the 3rd quarter. If he hits that the 3rd Quarter lull is not a thing... and it wasn't a particular degree of difficult throw. He should make that. But every QB has 1 or 2 of those throws a game. The other poor ball was the one where he overthrew Brown in the first half for what would have been a walk in TD deep down the middle - but that was a tougher deep ball and again sometimes you miss those. He was a bit high on the throw to McKenzie on that first TD drive as well which limited YAC and possibly prevented a score.

 

But you are really nit picking on yesterday's performance on a guy who led four 70 yard plus touchdown drives of 10, 11, 7 and 13 plays. Yesterday he was 100% no less accurate or effective with his decision making than any other Quarterback who suited up and took the field this weekend. And he was more accurate and decisive than a good many of them. I think there were 3 or maybe even 4 throw aways. Take those out and even leaving the "drop" by Knox in his adjusted completion % would be even more impressive.

 

Josh played a really good game yesterday. That was a franchise QB performance.

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

 

 

He overthrew brown by 6 yards when he had 6 yards of separation on the nearest defender. Sorry, 6 points

 

They scored a TD on that drive.

 

So, no.

Edited September 16, 2019 by thebandit27

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

Holy hell way to generalize. Unbelievable. Some people think it’s an indicator or accuracy, and you fought them tooth and nail. Now it’s all good? Like MDH said, you can’t have it both ways. And allen doesn’t need someone toting his jock 24/7. 

 

He overthrew brown by 6 yards when he had 6 yards of separation on the nearest defender. Sorry, 6 points

And they scored that drive anyway.  Allen also doesn't need purported fans tying to tear his jock off, picking on every single throw as if it is be all and end all of his career and focusing on just the negative because it matches a pre-conceived narrative that he' never make it in the league.

 

He's a young second year QB that's improving.  Good for him.  Odds are he'll have some struggles this eyar too.  As young QBs do.  He's not an All Pro based on yesterday because he played well, and he won't be a bust if and when he has a tough game.  HE is a young developing QB that appears to have a pretty good future.

[DCofNC]

He's still pretty inconsistent, which one would hope he can clean up.  That ball to Smoke was just awful.  The McKenzie catch was more than a lot high, and the missed ball to Zay would have been a big play.  He's threading some needles and missing water falling out of a boat in the same series at times, I don't know what to think of it.

 

The accuracy thing will follow him until he does what La?ma?... sorry threw up in my mouth twice.. until he can do what Lamar Jackson is doing.  Jackson is hitting wide open guys as they jog into the endzone.  I wouldn't trade QBs, but thats what is inflating Jackson's stats.  Its the simple things that hes doing and Josh still seems to miss all too often.

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, Bevis said:

I grew up with Bills fans who hated Kelly, while playing in super bowls.  They were right in saying he'd never win one.

 

A FG attempt sails 4 feet to the right and "they" would've been wrong, so that's a fairly silly statement 

[Bevis]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

A FG attempt sails 4 feet to the right and "they" would've been wrong, so that's a fairly silly statement 

If's and buts...

[BigBuff423]

Sometimes, we fans are our own worst enemies...to the folks saying that "you can't have it both ways" when referring to the meh percentage completion to what would be an acceptable NFL level completion rate. 

 

It was never that 52% didn't matter, or that last year his accuracy was not where anyone on this board wanted it to be - it's that everything happens in context. His poor completion percentage in college has been covered ad nauseum on this board and elsewhere, but obviously the Offensive line in college and then the level of receivers capable of catching his passes played a role. He was raw (still is in many ways) and last year, I don't know a SINGLE person that was a Bills fan or media professional that thought the receivers they had last year was anything worth calling a starting caliber set of WRs. Zay was in his second year, Benjamin was a joke and bust, and Foster came out of nowhere to be Allen's best target mainly because of his speed and separation. Add to the total disarray of the Bills' Offensive Line with two unforeseen retirements and a GM dead-locked committed to fixing the Cap mess, and you have a recipe for utter disaster. Given all of the above, it is AMAZING to me that Allen took the strides he took at the end of last season. 

 

His final four games were a sight to behold as we watched this raw, young Rookie begin to take leaps forward. Now, this year committed money and assets to the line and to the WR position, as well as a TE we've not yet seen in Kroft, plus a young RB and you have real growth from Josh Allen. You can see his maturity as he scans the field, you can see putting more touch on the ball, you can see him making reads - and you can see him getting protection from his line while getting separation in his receivers all of which lead to his completion percentage going up. 

 

The argument from many folks was that no matter how good the circle of receivers you put around him, no matter how well you protect him, he just didn't have the tools to be an NFL accurate QB. It's only two games, so while I'm not ready to say he's definitively answered his detractors permanently, I think we can see how the things most of us saw he needed is making a difference. As well as his work ethic and dedication to take coaching seriously and make the adjustments and changes. We'll see how the rest of the season goes, but I said it last week: their first half of football last week will be the Offense's worst half in terms of mistakes and poor production. Offensive line chemistry and game speed with receivers takes a little time. I think the Offense keeps getting better for a few more games. JMO

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

They scored a TD on that drive.

 

So, no.

 

Yep and on the drive where he was a bit high on the McKenzie pass (were they the same drive of successive ones?) anyway... neither ended up taking points off the board.

[Doc]

6 hours ago, WideNine said:

We can all bend the truth... a bit......can't we?

 

4 TOVs by Allen with no qualifying info? - I will put one of those squarely on Allen and 3 as bad bounces and execution around him (1 ball popped up by Beasley, 1 ball tipped at line directly to defender, 1 Tackle cleanly beat and ball stripped from behind).

 

The "strip sack" you mention today was Allen clearly in the grasp (they almost ripped his jersey off), a very, very slow whistle, and a Giants defender that while down on the ground brought his foot up to kick at Allen and ended up kicking the ball out. But a "should have been strip sack" of a reckless Allen supports a better negative narrative right?

 

Agree on the turnovers being mostly bad luck except for the strip sack.  As for the the sack yesterday, I'm pretty sure that even if the whistle hadn't blown, the fumble wouldn't have counted anyway since you cannot kick the ball (out).

 

6 hours ago, GreggTX said:

His accuracy is much better, but don't kid yourself. It's still an issue. Accuracy is always an issue and Allen's accuracy is now pretty average. He was awful under pressure in week 1, which is another big issue, but to his credit, he cleaned a lot of that up in week 2. Most posters are overrating him now. That Giants game was his best game to date, however, so there is some cause for optimism.

 

Have you watched other games around the league?  QB's are missing what should be routine throws all the time.

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

6 hours ago, GreggTX said:

His accuracy is much better, but don't kid yourself. It's still an issue. Accuracy is always an issue and Allen's accuracy is now pretty average. He was awful under pressure in week 1, which is another big issue, but to his credit, he cleaned a lot of that up in week 2. Most posters are overrating him now. That Giants game was his best game to date, however, so there is some cause for optimism.

 

I could have sworn Allen "cleaned it up" in the 4th quarter last week.  You know the quarter where he was on fire leading the Bills to two 80+ yard TD drives to win the game!

 

Details & context matter.

 

 

[thebandit27]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep and on the drive where he was a bit high on the McKenzie pass (were they the same drive of successive ones?) anyway... neither ended up taking points off the board.

 

I actually thought that the McKenzie ball was perfect...McKenzie just stopped and leapt one step sooner than he needed to IMO.  If he ran that out, I think he may have scored there, but again, that's probably my favorite thing about Allen yesterday:

- Overthrow John Brown for a TD? No problem, put together a long drive and score

- The McKenzie play? No problem, put together a long drive and score

- Brilliant QB draw play results in an easy 12-yard gain, but gets called back on a questionable holding call? No problem, put together a long drive and score

- Offense stalls for a quarter because of a few missed opportunities, and the game becomes a one-score affair? No problem, put together a long drive and score

[CincyBillsFan]

8 hours ago, MDH said:

So wait, is completion percentage important now? When Allen is 52% it doesn’t matter but if he’s 64% it’s suddenly an important stat? 

 

Can’t have it both ways.

 

Context is everything.

 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I'm glad you included the Y/A at the start, because I think that needs to be included in every conversation when it comes to QB accuracy. Darnold hit 68% last week, throwing slightly more passes than Josh, and yet was a full 70 something yards under Allen's total.

 

There is also a purpose to deep throws, even if they are near misses. A deep pass shows that you can stretch the field, and forces the safety to play a bit deeper, preventing the defense from swarming the middle of the field and opening up those 10-15 yard passes that Allen consistently made in the first half.

[CincyBillsFan]

3 hours ago, Bevis said:

I grew up with Bills fans who hated Kelly, while playing in super bowls.  They were right in saying he'd never win one.

 

My goodness this is the very definition of DEPRESSED! 

 

I would love to see the Bills go to 4 straight Super Bowl games again before I die.  Hell going to another SB would be awesome.   And even if they lose every one I'm laying in my coffin with a smile on my face.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I actually thought that the McKenzie ball was perfect...McKenzie just stopped and leapt one step sooner than he needed to IMO.  If he ran that out, I think he may have scored there, but again, that's probably my favorite thing about Allen yesterday:

- Overthrow John Brown for a TD? No problem, put together a long drive and score

- The McKenzie play? No problem, put together a long drive and score

- Brilliant QB draw play results in an easy 12-yard gain, but gets called back on a questionable holding call? No problem, put together a long drive and score

- Offense stalls for a quarter because of a few missed opportunities, and the game becomes a one-score affair? No problem, put together a long drive and score

 

Hmm I thought the pass was high. But regardless... you are right. They overcame thigns that in far too many Bills seasons would have been drive killers.

[CincyBillsFan]

It appears that Allen is now working under the new "perfection" criteria where QB's are judged harshly if EVERY throw isn't perfect. 

 

I need to know where the hell this insanity come from?  It sure didn't come from watching the NFL.

 

 

[Bevis]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

My goodness this is the very definition of DEPRESSED! 

 

I would love to see the Bills go to 4 straight Super Bowl games again before I die.  Hell going to another SB would be awesome.   And even if they lose every one I'm laying in my coffin with a smile on my face.

 

 

That is very strange tbh.  It's not fun to lose championships. I had no smiles after the 4 losses. I mean, at some point it got very comedic, maybe smiles from how absurd losing 4 in a row was.

[Billsatlastin2018]

Allen is a work in progress, but ‘a good work’. Has the tools of strong arm, fast enough feet and intelligent brain, but his deficiencies?

 

* Accuracy- the Bomb being one

* Touch- needs to not worry about an Int if he lowers the velocity on wide open Receivers.

* Running more carefully, so he doesn't get killed.

 

Yesterday was an overall, B+/ A- performance. Some plays/ passes were ranked in the best of the game- the rollout, across the body to Knox.

Some were poor- Brown and some stunk!

 

We all want to see him light it up!

 

350+ yards, 4 TDs & no picks.

 

Next week is the place to start, with 75k screaming fans, urging him on! 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

It appears that Allen is now working under the new "perfection" criteria where QB's are judged harshly if EVERY throw isn't perfect. 

 

I need to know where the hell this insanity come from?  It sure didn't come from watching the NFL.

 

I mean very few people are making that point. Almost everyone here agrees he played well yesterday,

[Billsatlastin2018]

7 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

My goodness this is the very definition of DEPRESSED! 

 

I would love to see the Bills go to 4 straight Super Bowl games again before I die.  Hell going to another SB would be awesome.   And even if they lose every one I'm laying in my coffin with a smile on my face.

 

 

 

Yep.

 

I went to two (XXV & XXVII) and loved every second, but the result! During those Glory Years, I watched EVERY second of every game- Attending multiple Home games, Playoff Games & 2 AFC Championships as a Season Tix holder.

 

It provides perspective when younger peeps here try and say this current day Bill is fabulous and Allen is Kelly 2.0.

Maybe. 

I hope so.

Let’s see! 

[WideNine]

50 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I mean very few people are making that point. Almost everyone here agrees he played well yesterday,

 

There is that stubborn few that will not be happy till Allen fails and they can say "I was right". 

 

Don't get it myself. Allen succeeding, means this team has finally found someone they can put under center to be competitive, and my pride can take a backseat to that any day. Also, I don't feel that most of us here have moved any goal posts as some claim. My stance on Allen and having patience has not changed one iota since last year.

 

I am pretty pleased that he is showing progress in the areas that he needs to - not perfect, but getting it done and getting better the more time he spends under center and in the film room.

Hope he continues to trend in the right direction, but expect to hit some speed bumps along the way.

 

 

 

Edited September 16, 2019 by WideNine

[Doc]

32 minutes ago, WideNine said:

There is that stubborn few that will not be happy till Allen fails and they can say "I was right". 

 

Some are still pining for Wrong Josh? 

[WideNine]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Some are still pining for Wrong Josh? 

 

I actually feel kind of bad for Rosen - went from a bad situation in Zona to a raging dumpster fire in Miami.

 

Would not wish that on any QB. He is going to get smoked down there if he starts in place of Fitz. At least Fitz gets rid of the ball more quickly, even if it was to the wrong team:)

[HOUSE]

I really wanted 65%

 

 

 

[Josh_Allen]

Just now, HOUSE said:

I really wanted 65%

 

 

 

You'll get that at the home opener.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

I actually feel kind of bad for Rosen - went from a bad situation in Zona to a raging dumpster fire in Miami.

 

Would not wish that on any QB. He is going to get smoked down there if he starts in place of Fitz. At least Fitz gets rid of the ball more quickly, even if it was to the wrong team:)

 

I don’t feel bad for him but his situation does suck. Looking at Kyler Murray in Arizona, I think they made the right move dumping him. But Miami trading away he left tackle, even an average one like Tunsil, isn’t a good move for them and Rosen.