2019 Head Coach Firings

[mushypeaches]

As we get ready for the season, it's interesting to look ahead and think of the teams that will likely be firing their head coaches at (or before) the end of the year.  

 

First off, it's worth noting the stability and relative competence that we currently enjoy at the position.  Barring a complete disaster of a season, it's safe to say that Sean McDermott will not be part of this group.

 

Doug Marrone

Not difficult to envision our old pal St. Doug being high on this list.  I think the Jags are going to be a tire fire this year, and it appears that he's worn out his welcome within the locker room.  Since he's definitely not an innovator, or someone prone to self-examination of his own flaws, it's likely to be a year of him getting angrier and surlier, and his players tuning him out more and more

 

Dan Quinn

I don't think the Falcons have recovered from the SB loss 2 years ago, and the talent level of this team hasn't kept up.  I think they're a couple major injuries away from a very rough season, especially in an improved division.

 

Ron Rivera

Similar comment to the one above.  Cam Newton is on the downside of his career, and the owner's itching to put his stamp on the team.  Again, more of a motivating coach, and not an innovator.

 

Jay Gruden

Amazing that he's survived there this long.  I think it catches up with him this year

 

Mike Zimmer

A team that's getting old and stale, and with a huge contract for a mediocre QB.  Still laughing at how we curb-stomped them last year.

 

Matt Patricia

This guy's on borrowed time already.  With the Packers likely improving this year, and another expensive QB on the downside, this guy needs a winning season or he's lost the team already

 

Jason Garrett

This team has some stars, and good young players, but this guy never seems to get the most out of the talent that he has.  Plus, Jerrah has his next young coach in waiting.

 

Anthony Lynn

Probably a dark horse on this list, but it's not difficult to see the Chargers imploding, especially if Rivers starts to show his age.  Lynn doesn't impress me as a great game coach, and this could be where it catches up to him

 

 

[GunnerBill]

Garrett won't be fired. The Cowboys are going to be good. I don't think the Jags will be a tire fire either. I think they are an 8-8 / 9-7 team. Whether that is enough to keep Marrone his job I am not sure. That defense just has too much talent to be a tire fire and Foles is an upgrade at Quarterback. My worry for them would be offensive talent around Foles - which I think is sub standard. Lynn will not be fired. The Chargers have shown before they keep a guy a year too long rather than dump one a year too early.

 

I think Quinn, Rivera, Patricia, Gruden are absolutely all in line for a firing. If I was adding to the list I'd add Pat Shurmer - if the Giants suck they will move on; and Kliff Kingsbury - I think the Cardinals might be the worst team in the league again..... and if so the owner will clear house starting with the GM. Not many credible GMs will take the job if it is conditional on being tied to Kingsbury.

[billsfan_34]

41 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

As we get ready for the season, it's interesting to look ahead and think of the teams that will likely be firing their head coaches at (or before) the end of the year.  

 

First off, it's worth noting the stability and relative competence that we currently enjoy at the position.  Barring a complete disaster of a season, it's safe to say that Sean McDermott will not be part of this group.

 

Doug Marrone

Not difficult to envision our old pal St. Doug being high on this list.  I think the Jags are going to be a tire fire this year, and it appears that he's worn out his welcome within the locker room.  Since he's definitely not an innovator, or someone prone to self-examination of his own flaws, it's likely to be a year of him getting angrier and surlier, and his players tuning him out more and more

 

Dan Quinn

I don't think the Falcons have recovered from the SB loss 2 years ago, and the talent level of this team hasn't kept up.  I think they're a couple major injuries away from a very rough season, especially in an improved division.

 

Ron Rivera

Similar comment to the one above.  Cam Newton is on the downside of his career, and the owner's itching to put his stamp on the team.  Again, more of a motivating coach, and not an innovator.

 

Jay Gruden

Amazing that he's survived there this long.  I think it catches up with him this year

 

Mike Zimmer

A team that's getting old and stale, and with a huge contract for a mediocre QB.  Still laughing at how we curb-stomped them last year.

 

Matt Patricia

This guy's on borrowed time already.  With the Packers likely improving this year, and another expensive QB on the downside, this guy needs a winning season or he's lost the team already

 

Jason Garrett

This team has some stars, and good young players, but this guy never seems to get the most out of the talent that he has.  Plus, Jerrah has his next young coach in waiting.

 

Anthony Lynn

Probably a dark horse on this list, but it's not difficult to see the Chargers imploding, especially if Rivers starts to show his age.  Lynn doesn't impress me as a great game coach, and this could be where it catches up to him

 

 

Rivers showed his age down the stretch last year- arm looked tired.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

this has been hashed out already 

your list just omitted McDermott 

 

 

Edited August 26, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[mushypeaches]

34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Garrett won't be fired. The Cowboys are going to be good. I don't think the Jags will be a tire fire either. I think they are an 8-8 / 9-7 team. Whether that is enough to keep Marrone his job I am not sure. That defense just has too much talent to be a tire fire and Foles is an upgrade at Quarterback. My worry for them would be offensive talent around Foles - which I think is sub standard. Lynn will not be fired. The Chargers have shown before they keep a guy a year too long rather than dump one a year too early.

 

I think Quinn, Rivera, Patricia, Gruden are absolutely all in line for a firing. If I was adding to the list I'd add Pat Shurmer - if the Giants suck they will move on; and Kliff Kingsbury - I think the Cardinals might be the worst team in the league again..... and if so the owner will clear house starting with the GM. Not many credible GMs will take the job if it is conditional on being tied to Kingsbury.

 

Thanks - I totally forgot about Pat Shurmur - he's pitiful.  I would hate myself if Jauron 2.0 were the coach of my team.  

 

Kliff Kingsbury is not going anywhere.  They'll be better this year if not for the fact that they probably couldn't be worse

[Bangarang]

How is McD’s job safe but Lynn is someone that could get fired?

 

He’s had two winning seasons with his last one being a 12 win playoff team. 

Edited August 26, 2019 by Bangarang

[mushypeaches]

4 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

How is McD’s job safe but Lynn is someone that could get fired?

 

He’s had two winning seasons with his last one being a 12 win playoff team. 

 

Perception is that the Bills are on the way up.  Full support of ownership & GM.  Team stability.  Young core

 

Do you see the Chargers as being better than they were last year?  Do they have a stable situation?  

 

 

[Malazan]

12 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

How is McD’s job safe but Lynn is someone that could get fired?

 

He’s had two winning seasons with his last one being a 12 win playoff team. 

 

Not that I think Lynn is in trouble, but it's easy to see the reason he could be...he came into a team that had Phillip Rivers.

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, mushypeaches said:

 

Perception is that the Bills are on the way up.  Full support of ownership & GM.  Team stability.  Young core

 

Do you see the Chargers as being better than they were last year?  Do they have a stable situation?  

 

 

 

What is unstable about the Chargers? Is it because Rivers is 37? He’s still playing great.

 

it makes no sense that Lynn is on the hot seat because of a silly hypothetical but McD is safe because.....reasons? 

 

Let me be clear, I don’t think McD is going to be fired. But I also think it’s foolish to think Lynn’s job is in jeopardy.

[RoyBatty is alive]

I think Bill O'Brien is in jeopardy.  They have not properly addressed their O Line (except for a Rd one development  tackle from Alabama State) , which was as bad if not worse than ours, and already lose their starting RB because 2 linemen on one play missed blocks to allow a NT free shot at Lamar Miller. Deshaun Watson will be running for his life again, terrible waste imo.  Texans division is now theirs for the taking with the departure of Andrew Luck, they dont make the playoffs this year I think he is in trouble.  They don't have a gm this year, be an opportunity for the new GM they hire (odds are it is Nick Caerio from the Pats) to select his/her own coach.

Edited August 26, 2019 by RoyBatty is alive

[mushypeaches]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

What is unstable about the Chargers? Is it because Rivers is 37? He’s still playing great.

 

it makes no sense that Lynn is on the hot seat because of a silly hypothetical but McD is safe because.....reasons? 

 

Let me be clear, I don’t think McD is going to be fired. But I also think it’s foolish to think Lynn’s job is in jeopardy.

 

Again - why I qualified my remark with "dark horse candidate".  It's not necessarily logical.  But there are reasons to see how it could happen.  That's why we have these forums

[BarleyNY]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

What is unstable about the Chargers? Is it because Rivers is 37? He’s still playing great.

 

it makes no sense that Lynn is on the hot seat because of a silly hypothetical but McD is safe because.....reasons? 

 

Let me be clear, I don’t think McD is going to be fired. But I also think it’s foolish to think Lynn’s job is in jeopardy.

 

Yeah. I don’t get thinking Lynn’s job might be in jeopardy because his QB is getting older. How’s that make him a bad coach?  He’s had nothing but success so far. 

[Bangarang]

5 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

Not that I think Lynn is in trouble, but it's easy to see the reason he could be...he came into a team that had Phillip Rivers.

 

What reason are you referring to?

 

Fwiw, Mike McCoy came into a team that had Phillip Rivers...

[BarleyNY]

2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I think Bill O'Brien is in jeopardy.  They have not properly addressed their O Line (except for a Rd one development all tackle from Alabama State) , which was as bad if not worse than ours, and already lose their starting RB because 2 linemen on one play missed blocks to allow a NT free shot at Lamar Miller. Deshaun Watson will be running for his life again, terrible waste imo.  Texans division is now theirs for the taking with the departure of Andrew Luck, they dont make the playoffs this year I think he is in trouble.  They don't have a gm this year, be an opportunity for the new GM they hire (odds are it is Nick Caerio from the Pats) his/her own coach.

 

I agree.  He’s running the whole show now.  No one else left to blame if things go south.  If he trades Clowney for less than his fired GM had offers for, that’d be another strike against him.   

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I agree.  He’s running the whole show now.  No one else left to blame if things go south.  If he trades Clowney for less than his fired GM had offers for, that’d be another strike against him.   

 

Good point, I forgot about Clowney, I think they have handled it incredibly bad.  Even if Clowney stays he cant be happy with how he was treated and now everyone knows they want to trade him.

[BarleyNY]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Good point, I forgot about Clowney, I think they have handled it incredibly bad.  Even if Clowney stays he cant be happy with how he was treated and now everyone knows they want to trade him.

 

Yup. I wonder if he’d come back to the Texans under an agreement that they won’t tag him next year?  Seems like they’re running out of options unless they want to see him for six games this year and then go through this all again next offseason. 

[Bangarang]

8 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

 

Again - why I qualified my remark with "dark horse candidate".  It's not necessarily logical.  But there are reasons to see how it could happen.  That's why we have these forums

 

If discussing the illogical is what you want to do then I won’t stop you. To me it doesn’t make any sense.

[Rc2catch]

I’m gonna pick Pete Carroll. Maybe not fired unless they totally fall apart but retired. His team has clearly peaked years ago and he’s getting up there in age 

[chris heff]

I think Belichick could be on the hot seat, I know, I know, just hear me out. Kraft’s favorite massage parlor is closed and I don’t think he will go down that path again. I believe he will look in house for new source for rub and tug. Brady immediately comes to mind, but I think CBA forbids it. That leaves Belichick and I just don’t see him being very good at it. Leaving Kraft disappointed and moving on. What do you guys think?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

27 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I’m gonna pick Pete Carroll. Maybe not fired unless they totally fall apart but retired. His team has clearly peaked years ago and he’s getting up there in age 

When is the last HC to retire with an elite QB on their team?  Cowher? Bill Walsh? I think Pete is the type of guy that could retire or go back to college. But not this season.

[Captain Hindsight]

Hot Seat:

 

Marrone

O'Brian

Shanahan

Jay Gruden

Garrett

 

Dishonorable mention - Dan Quinn. But I think things would have to go realllly bad for him to be fired

[416BillsFan]

Every year I think Jason Garrett will get fired, but he's proven to be the natural successor to Marvin Lewis. Expectations for St. Doug are likely higher after Luck's retirement.

[Seoulofstone]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

How is McD’s job safe but Lynn is someone that could get fired?

 

He’s had two winning seasons with his last one being a 12 win playoff team. 

 

 Anyone 'could' get fired for all manner of reasons. With Lynn its probably unlikely I agree with you

 

    What you say is true.

 

   Lynn has had 2 winning seasons unlike McD. But only made the playoffs once. Same as McD as far as that goes. Compare what they have both had to work with. If you accept that Lynn inherited a HOF QB had the most dominant pass rushing duo in the NFL, a stacked receiving corps a solid run game and drafted Derwin James, shouldn't expectations be a little higher for him?

 

  It is interesting to me that the popular perception is that he's done so much better than McD.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

LOL Do find it a bit funny with a thread title of coaches to be fired and you first sentence uses the phrase “interesting to look ahead” as a phrase like that is usually used in positive terms.

 

Do agree with most of your list however.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, Seoulofstone said:

 

 Anyone 'could' get fired for all manner of reasons. With Lynn its probably unlikely I agree with you

 

    What you say is true.

 

   Lynn has had 2 winning seasons unlike McD. But only made the playoffs once. Same as McD as far as that goes. Compare what they have both had to work with. If you accept that Lynn inherited a HOF QB had the most dominant pass rushing duo in the NFL, a stacked receiving corps a solid run game and drafted Derwin James, shouldn't expectations be a little higher for him?

 

  It is interesting to me that the popular perception is that he's done so much better than McD.

That's because he has.

[Malazan]

4 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

What reason are you referring to?

 

Fwiw, Mike McCoy came into a team that had Phillip Rivers...

 

I stated it...right in the post you quoted. Lynn came into a team ready to compete. If he was on the hotseat in year 3 to compete for a Superbowl, that would be easy to understand. Perhaps, not wise and likely not the case, but wouldn't be crazy if he has a bad year.

[Seoulofstone]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

That's because he has.

 

  You're entitled to that opinion of course 

 

   He's been to the playoffs the same number of times as McD  His W/L is better. His team has looked complete on the field because he inherited a really good roster  Do you see the distinction? Chargers haven't won more Superbowls, been in more Superbowls, won more division championships, or been in more division championships than the Bills. They've looked better, won one extra playoff game and been a popular pick. 

Edited August 26, 2019 by Seoulofstone

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, mushypeaches said:

 

Thanks - I totally forgot about Pat Shurmur - he's pitiful.  I would hate myself if Jauron 2.0 were the coach of my team.  

 

Kliff Kingsbury is not going anywhere.  They'll be better this year if not for the fact that they probably couldn't be worse

 

I watched the Cards the other night. I know it was pre-season but I think they might actually be worse. 

[Bangarang]

7 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

I stated it...right in the post you quoted. Lynn came into a team ready to compete. If he was on the hotseat in year 3 to compete for a Superbowl, that would be easy to understand. Perhaps, not wise and likely not the case, but wouldn't be crazy if he has a bad year.

 

I think it’s crazy. I’d give McD and Lynn the same odds of getting fired.

[Malazan]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

 

I think it’s crazy. I’d give McD and Lynn the same odds of getting fired.

 

I specifically stated that I don't think it's likely...multiple times. Sorry if that confused you. 

[Bangarang]

3 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

I specifically stated that I don't think it's likely...multiple times. Sorry if that confused you. 

 

Perhaps you missed it but my responses are directed at those who think Lynn gets fired this year. You’re playing devils advocate even though it sounds like you agree with me..

[mannc]

18 minutes ago, Seoulofstone said:

 

  You're entitled to that opinion of course  He's been to the playoffs the same number of times as McD  His W/L is better. His team has looked complete on the field because he inherited a really good roster  Do you see the distinction?

Where was this "really good roster"?  The Chargers were 5-11 the year before Lynn took over.  The team is 21-11 under Lynn.  McDermott took over a .500 operation and has gone 15-17, with a ton of blowouts losses, including two to Lynn's Chargers.  It doesn't mean McDermott won't be successful, but it's downright foolish to suggest that he's done as well as Lynn in his first two years.  Frankly, it's something only a homer would say.  

Edited August 26, 2019 by mannc

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I watched the Cards the other night. I know it was pre-season but I think they might actually be worse. 

 

 

...agree GB....could be a 40 YARD dumspter fire....they've ben nothing since Warner....how Fitzgerald has remained loyal is a head scratcher......probably should hire Grigson......

[Seoulofstone]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Where was this "really good roster"?  The Chargers were 5-11 the year before Lynn took over.  The team is 21-11 under Lynn.  McDermott took over a .500 operation and has gone 15-17, with a ton of blowouts losses, including two to Lynn's Chargers.  It doesn't mean McDermott won't be successful, but it's downright foolish to suggest that he's done as well as Lynn in his first two years.  Frankly, it's something only a homer would say.  

 

   They went 5-11 with that roster and rightly their HC got fired  They had been underachievers for a long time. Question is, if they with a really good roster win one playoff game in two years does that mean Lynn is doing an awesome job? Or merely that he did better than his predecessor?

 

    Under Lynn their team looks good and has improved their record. But ultimately they've done nothing in the playoffs. They haven't won a Superbowl. Do you think that this is a satisfactory outcome to their fans?

 

    I seem to remember them being blown out by the Pats too 

 

  

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, Seoulofstone said:

 

   They went 5-11 with that roster and rightly their HC got fired  They had been underachievers for a long time. Question is, if they with a really good roster win one playoff game in two years does that mean Lynn is doing an awesome job? Or merely that he did better than his predecessor?

 

    Under Lynn their team looks good and has improved their record. But ultimately they've done nothing in the playoffs. They haven't won a Superbowl. Do you think that this is a satisfactory outcome to their fans?

 

    I seem to remember them being blown out by the Pats too 

 

  

So Lynn hasn't done as well as McDermott because he "only" won one playoff game and hasn't won a Super Bowl?  And got blown out by the Pats?  Do you hear yourself?  How may playoff games has McDermott won?  He's been blown out by the Pats four times.   

 

I never said Lynn has done an "awesome job"--although if someone were to say that, it' wouldn't be outrageous--but to this point in his career, Lynn has inarguably done better than McDermott has.   

[Seoulofstone]

16 minutes ago, mannc said:

So Lynn hasn't done as well as McDermott because he "only" won one playoff game and hasn't won a Super Bowl?  And got blown out by the Pats?  Do you hear yourself?  How may playoff games has McDermott won?  He's been blown out by the Pats four times.   

 

I never said Lynn has done an "awesome job"--although if someone were to say that, it' wouldn't be outrageous--but to this point in his career, Lynn has inarguably done better than McDermott has.   

 

   It just depends where you're standing. In the end only one team wins the SB. Everyone else is a loser. I'm not arguing that the box scores don't look better for Lynn. I'm saying that what they had to work with was very different so it is an uneven comparison. 

 

  Yes the Bills got blown out multiple times by the Pats, moreso obviously because they're in the same division. The Bills are building an offensive identity from scratch. Once a team gets a lead on them McD had no choice but to try and get back in the game and without weapons this leads to blowouts by playing into opponents hands. Would you advocate them just closing up shop and taking a narrow uncontested loss? Is that better?

 

   However you stack it the final outcome has been the same. Both teams lost and neither came close. They've both made the playoffs once but LAC won one more playoff game. The difference is one team was expected to contend and the other was predicted to be among the worst in the league.

[Seoulofstone]

What irks me about this comparison is that it's easy to praise a good team. It's like when you ask people what team they support in any sport and more often than not they tell you the perennial winners or contenders  They have no attachment to that team except that they want to be associated with their success. 

   I like Lynn. He's brought a long awaited improvement in that franchise. But he hasn't even won the division yet. And time is ticking on their window...

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

 

 

this has been hashed out already 

your list just omitted McDermott 

 

 

 

 

Yeah this is a retread from that thread last week.