LSHMEAB Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: Im sure he will be, probably 5 years from whenever he retired. Yeah. He's a first ballot HOF'er. Silly wording on my part. Too much "fun" last night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 On 6/8/2019 at 11:53 AM, Ennjay said: Off topic maybe but I've always felt sorry for Eric Moulds for the same reason. On another team he might have made the HOF. ...Moulds made his own bed and stayed on......then when he left , he burned every damn bridge outta town.....Jesus, Ralph flew in to mitigate the Moulds/Moo hissy fit for his pampered pet....lost ALL respect for him when his "publicist ( seriously ? WTF?)" said, "Eric is very upset that his consecutive catch string record was broken (nothing thrown to him that day)"....Diva 101..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 On 6/8/2019 at 11:59 AM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..things are getting crowded at "the top".......we have the Jesters, Cards, perennial "Snyder's Deadskins" and now the Tex-UMS.....thinking the inaugural "Dysfunction Junction Organization Of The Year" trophy votes could be a tie..... presented at SB halftime..... would this be before or after the Justin Bieber halftime show? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Complaint: Fired Texans GM Brian Gaine 'targeted' African American employees in series of firings A.J. Perez-USA TODAY SPORTS 1 hr ago Recently fired Houston Texans general manager Brian Gaine “targeted” African American employees in a series of firings during his tenure, a former Texans security coordinator alleged in a complaint filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Jeff Pope, who was notified he would not be retained by the team May 8, made a series of allegations in a 4,500-word charge of discrimination complaint obtained by USA TODAY Sports early Thursday morning. Gaine was fired by the Texans on Friday with little insight into the move disclosed by the team. Attempts to reach Gaine were not immediately successful Thursday morning. http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/complaint-fired-texans-gm-brian-gaine-targeted-african-american-employees-in-series-of-firings/ar-AACPiID?ocid=ientp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: Complaint: Fired Texans GM Brian Gaine 'targeted' African American employees in series of firings A.J. Perez-USA TODAY SPORTS 1 hr ago Recently fired Houston Texans general manager Brian Gaine “targeted” African American employees in a series of firings during his tenure, a former Texans security coordinator alleged in a complaint filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Jeff Pope, who was notified he would not be retained by the team May 8, made a series of allegations in a 4,500-word charge of discrimination complaint obtained by USA TODAY Sports early Thursday morning. Gaine was fired by the Texans on Friday with little insight into the move disclosed by the team. Attempts to reach Gaine were not immediately successful Thursday morning. http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/complaint-fired-texans-gm-brian-gaine-targeted-african-american-employees-in-series-of-firings/ar-AACPiID?ocid=ientp Wow that’s a pretty serious allegation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: Complaint: Fired Texans GM Brian Gaine 'targeted' African American employees in series of firings A.J. Perez-USA TODAY SPORTS 1 hr ago Recently fired Houston Texans general manager Brian Gaine “targeted” African American employees in a series of firings during his tenure, a former Texans security coordinator alleged in a complaint filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Jeff Pope, who was notified he would not be retained by the team May 8, made a series of allegations in a 4,500-word charge of discrimination complaint obtained by USA TODAY Sports early Thursday morning. Gaine was fired by the Texans on Friday with little insight into the move disclosed by the team. Attempts to reach Gaine were not immediately successful Thursday morning. http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/complaint-fired-texans-gm-brian-gaine-targeted-african-american-employees-in-series-of-firings/ar-AACPiID?ocid=ientp Wow...I'd heard that something went down and it wasn't performance-related, but that's a pretty heavy accusation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 And that was not reason why he was let go: Texans spokesperson Amy Palcic told The Houston Chronicle that Pope’s allegations of racial bias “was not a factor in the recent decision to relieve Brian Gaine from his job as general manager.” “We have just been made aware of Mr. Pope’s claim,” Palcic said. “We do not comment on pending litigation. The Houston Texans do not tolerate personal or professional discrimination of any kind." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Limeaid said: And that was not reason why he was let go: Texans spokesperson Amy Palcic told The Houston Chronicle that Pope’s allegations of racial bias “was not a factor in the recent decision to relieve Brian Gaine from his job as general manager.” “We have just been made aware of Mr. Pope’s claim,” Palcic said. “We do not comment on pending litigation. The Houston Texans do not tolerate personal or professional discrimination of any kind." Yet also in the article, "I was going to handle this the way I handle most of my claims: quietly,” N. Lucy Chukwurah, Pope’s attorney, told The Houston Chronicle. “When the Texans terminated Mr. Gaine, that caught my attention. They terminated him a few days after they spoke with their counsel. I found that to be unusual." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, Limeaid said: And that was not reason why he was let go: Texans spokesperson Amy Palcic told The Houston Chronicle that Pope’s allegations of racial bias “was not a factor in the recent decision to relieve Brian Gaine from his job as general manager.” “We have just been made aware of Mr. Pope’s claim,” Palcic said. “We do not comment on pending litigation. The Houston Texans do not tolerate personal or professional discrimination of any kind." I’m not sure I believe that they just found out about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 The Texans didn't notice Gaines was firing all the black guys? That FO is a complete disaster. But at least they got Bill O'Brien to smooth everything out going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Bills former WR coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 On 6/8/2019 at 11:03 PM, transient said: Serious question, did the RBs they drafted suck or did they just not effectively work them into the game plan? I’m working from memory here, but they always struck me as being willing to live and die by Marino’s arm. I don’t really remember them as a team that ever had a game plan that tried to establish the run. Contrast that with the balance the Bills had with Kelly under center (granted, with Thomas in the backfield). To further that point, I just looked on the Pro Football Reference site. Marino is 14th all time in average pass attempts per game, but he’s the only one of his era in the top 20 (unless you count Favre at 17 and/or Bledsoe at 12, since they overlapped the latter part of Marino’s career). The next from that era is Warren Moon at 24. Jim Kelly is all the way down at 45. From what I remember, Marino loved putting up big passing numbers and pretty much demanded it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Bills former WR coach From my own experience, it's tough to take what a fired employee says with complete confidence. In today's society, everyone knows about discrimination and tend to hold onto certain under performing employees for longer than they should due to fears of litigation. Everything is documented in today's world. Precaution is taken way more seriously than just rash judgements. What Phil said seems to make more sense than the fired employee's allegation. Edited June 14, 2019 by Ittakestime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Fired employees usually make plenty of claims. Nobody ever wants to believe it's their own fault for getting fired. There's always something or someone to blame. How often do you see someone getting fired and saying "Yup, I deserved that. They made a good decision." Of course, if the allegations are true, shame on Gaine. Tough to believe, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 hour ago, MJS said: Fired employees usually make plenty of claims. Nobody ever wants to believe it's their own fault for getting fired. There's always something or someone to blame. How often do you see someone getting fired and saying "Yup, I deserved that. They made a good decision." Of course, if the allegations are true, shame on Gaine. Tough to believe, though. I feel really bad for him if it isn’t true. That’s the last thing you want out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Ridiculous. Better hope they have solid evidence of this. Didn’t he replace Rick Smith? Makes me wonder how close Smith and Pope are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Hope these allegations are false. But as long as O'Brien is calling the shots in Houston they won't be a factor. He thinks he's Belichick and he's far from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Hope these allegations are false. But as long as O'Brien is calling the shots in Houston they won't be a factor. He thinks he's Belichick and he's far from it. I agree. I’ve been skeptical of Obrien’s abilities since he was at penn state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 hour ago, MJS said: Fired employees usually make plenty of claims. Nobody ever wants to believe it's their own fault for getting fired. There's always something or someone to blame. How often do you see someone getting fired and saying "Yup, I deserved that. They made a good decision." Of course, if the allegations are true, shame on Gaine. Tough to believe, though. Not saying you are wrong, but Gaine was terminated for a reason. Racial bias in the employment world would be a reason to fire him. The Texans denying it doesn't mean it isn't true. They are just protecting themselves from a lawsuit. Gaine certainly could have been fired for another reason and the employee's complaint may be baseless. But you can virtually guarantee it was a HR violation (my initial guess was harassment but discrimination fits the scenario) of some kind and not just performance based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Not saying you are wrong, but Gaine was terminated for a reason. Racial bias in the employment world would be a reason to fire him. The Texans denying it doesn't mean it isn't true. They are just protecting themselves from a lawsuit. Gaine certainly could have been fired for another reason and the employee's complaint may be baseless. But you can virtually guarantee it was a HR violation (my initial guess was harassment but discrimination fits the scenario) of some kind and not just performance based. Just lots of speculation. He could have been fired because they felt they had someone better. There is no reason to believe that it is an HR issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Just lots of speculation. He could have been fired because they felt they had someone better. There is no reason to believe that it is an HR issue. ...something ain't passing the smell test here......Texans claim they had no knowledge of the EEOC firing....employer does get notification via certified mail.......pretty easy to validate their claim with the signed and dated RETURN RECEIPT postcard.......pretty hard to lie your way out of that I think......besides why not let an EEOC investigation play out before firing him without findings?......seems awfully convenient and "coincidental (COUGH)"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 6 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: From what I remember, Marino loved putting up big passing numbers and pretty much demanded it. Add he was a terrible on fakes and got his RBs destroyed. It is what I remember most about watching him with almost every time he did a fake I knew it ahead of time. He did do well in advertising showing he can act just not well on football field. 2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...something ain't passing the smell test here......Texans claim they had no knowledge of the EEOC firing....employer does get notification via certified mail.......pretty easy to validate their claim with the signed and dated RETURN RECEIPT postcard.......pretty hard to lie your way out of that I think......besides why not let an EEOC investigation play out before firing him without findings?......seems awfully convenient and "coincidental (COUGH)"...... Laywer said he was trying to work it thru system quietly so likely no certified mail sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Maybe Gaine wanted different people in working. Performance work from those could of been bad. Lots of people in for GM gets rid of people. Who knows in private. Jeff Pope could be talking not true crap.. Speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Maybe Gaine wanted different people in working. Performance work from those could of been bad. Lots of people in for GM gets rid of people. Who knows in private. Jeff Pope could be talking not true crap.. Speculation What did you just say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 11 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Maybe Gaine wanted different people in working. Performance work from those could of been bad. Lots of people in for GM gets rid of people. Who knows in private. Jeff Pope could be talking not true crap.. Speculation Couldn't manage even one coherent sentence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Maybe Gaine wanted different people in working. Performance work from those could of been bad. Lots of people in for GM gets rid of people. Who knows in private. Jeff Pope could be talking not true crap.. Speculation Just curious, do you happen to be an Anti-Vaxxer? Edited June 15, 2019 by Coach Tuesday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 So basically the Texans decided they’d rather have no GM at all than continue to employ Gaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: So basically the Texans decided they’d rather have no GM at all than continue to employ Gaine. I think they fired him thinking they were getting Caserio, then they couldn’t get him (yet) and BOB refuses to work with anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/15/2019 at 9:18 AM, Coach Tuesday said: Just curious, do you happen to be an Anti-Vaxxer? I don't know what it means but I support whatever people do. Question for is are you a tranny supporter? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 On 6/14/2019 at 2:44 PM, MJS said: Fired employees usually make plenty of claims. Nobody ever wants to believe it's their own fault for getting fired. There's always something or someone to blame. How often do you see someone getting fired and saying "Yup, I deserved that. They made a good decision." Of course, if the allegations are true, shame on Gaine. Tough to believe, though. Once when I was fired my first thought was "thank god" Next was "Oh sh*t" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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