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Somewhere along the line, EJ developed the worst case of the YIPS I've ever seen from an NFL QB. Probably a combination of personal mindset, hard coaching, and a realization that he wasn't good enough.

 

I don't think it's all that complicated with EJ. Marrone/Hackett/Lewis/Tuel/Whaley/Orton etc. People have these intricate storylines that lead to his downfall, but I don't think any of it would have made a difference. You either have it or you don't and EJ didn't. Kind of cliche, but he does seem like a good kid so I wish him well.

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Going forward, not sure how many years EJ could have stayed on a roster as a backup, but if I was him, I would have milked it for every last penny.  Even at a mil or two per year, what a great gig.  Train your ass off, be a good guy in the QB room, etc....

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I had really high Hope's for EJ, after his week 1 comeback win over the Panthers I really started to think we had our QB, I think his confidence was destroyed by Marrone. I wish him the best.

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8 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I was waiting for this response. I and so many other fans feel vindicated today. The never ending threads and arguments about his playing time “he hasn’t had a full 16 games yet (in year 3)”, “if it wasn’t for the slippery mat, he wouldn’t have been thrown to the wolves”, “he’s smart with the football and is threat to run” and many other excuses for a mid 1st Rd pick that simply sucked. The arguments were endless because ‘my kind’ saw very early on he just doesn’t have ‘it’. The last road game I attended was his shartshow against the Texans where he singlehandedly refused to win, giving the game to the Texans. Marone benched him the following game for Orton and EJ was finished. Should have retired that day. 

Nice post, but I’m not sure I would call it ‘vindication’, as least not for me. As is usually the case, it’s not really about the player and it’s not really about being right. It’s about a very vocal minority being very WRONG and reminding them just how wrong they were.

 

Happy trails EJ, we will always have London. :beer:

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1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

Somewhere along the line, EJ developed the worst case of the YIPS I've ever seen from an NFL QB. Probably a combination of personal mindset, hard coaching, and a realization that he wasn't good enough.

 

I don't think it's all that complicated with EJ. Marrone/Hackett/Lewis/Tuel/Whaley/Orton etc. People have these intricate storylines that lead to his downfall, but I don't think any of it would have made a difference. You either have it or you don't and EJ didn't. Kind of cliche, but he does seem like a good kid so I wish him well.

 

That was my take on it.  He may never have been able to take on the mantle of a genuine NFL starting QB, but people forget that he didn't come into the league threatening innocent hospitality tents and actually showed flashes his first year.  For those unfamiliar with Yips

 

19 minutes ago, Rico said:

Nice post, but I’m not sure I would call it ‘vindication’, as least not for me. As is usually the case, it’s not really about the player and it’s not really about being right. It’s about a very vocal minority being very WRONG and reminding them just how wrong they were.

 

Happy trails EJ, we will always have London. :beer:

 

Whenever you got a guy who says "it's not really about being right, its about telling you how wrong you are"......it's about him being right.

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2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That was my take on it.  He may never have been able to take on the mantle of a genuine NFL starting QB, but people forget that he didn't come into the league threatening innocent hospitality tents and actually showed flashes his first year.  For those unfamiliar with Yips

 

 

Whenever you got a guy who says "it's not really about being right, its about telling you how wrong you are"......it's about him being right.

Sometimes. I just like laughing at posters who can’t tell the forest from the trees, that’s all. If it wasn’t for Bills-Fan-4-Ever (or whatever his name was), EJ wouldn’t have gotten half the abuse he did in here. 

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18 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

EJ is perhaps the worst selection ever by the Bills from the past decade.  I’m not just basing this on his NFL career which was less-than-stellar from all accounts.

 

Last decade?  Not even close.  Aaron Maybin in 2009.

 

18 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

However EJ just did not have the talent to be selected in Round 1.  He was a 3rd or 4th round QB projected to be a backup/spot start which is what his career ultimately turned out to be.

 

It was malfeasance by Buddy Nix and Doug Whaley to neglect the QB position as long as they did.  It forced them to draft a QB in a class of terrible QB prospects.  However rather than waiting to take EJ in Round 3, they make the foolish decision to announce him as a 1st round pick.

 

Buddy Nix was the GM who neglected the QB position "as long as he did".  While we'll never know who led the 2013 draft board, it's quite revisionist to make Whaley responsible for neglecting to draft a QB with a reasonable shot to become a starter during the years Nix was GM.

 

The reason Nix/Whaley overdrafted EJ is reputed to be because they wanted to draft a QB in the mid-rounds in 2012 and possibly 2011, and the QB they wanted didn't last until the round where they had him slotted.  The reason I believe this is because Nix was quoted in interviews after the 2012 draft and before the 2013 draft saying that if you want a QB you'd better over-draft him because he won't last until the spot where you have him valued.

 

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5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Last decade?  Not even close.  Aaron Maybin in 2009.

 

It still is amazing that Russ Brandon was our GM for that season........say that out loud.

And then he took Maybin who was in no way qualified to play professional football.

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I read somewhere that he strained a vocal cord and would  not be unable to do a hard count ever again causing him to retire

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Grief counseling being made available to entire Jacksonville organization

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3 hours ago, Rico said:

Nice post, but I’m not sure I would call it ‘vindication’, as least not for me. As is usually the case, it’s not really about the player and it’s not really about being right. It’s about a very vocal minority being very WRONG and reminding them just how wrong they were.

 

Happy trails EJ, we will always have London. :beer:

He just needs more time...

 

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I’ll always remember that hard snap count to draw the Jets Offside in Rex’s Super Bowl...aww, no I won’t. 

 

Happy trails, EJ. You’re a good dude, just not a very good NFL QB.

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3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Last decade?  Not even close.  Aaron Maybin in 2009.

 

 

Buddy Nix was the GM who neglected the QB position "as long as he did".  While we'll never know who led the 2013 draft board, it's quite revisionist to make Whaley responsible for neglecting to draft a QB with a reasonable shot to become a starter during the years Nix was GM.

 

The reason Nix/Whaley overdrafted EJ is reputed to be because they wanted to draft a QB in the mid-rounds in 2012 and possibly 2011, and the QB they wanted didn't last until the round where they had him slotted.  The reason I believe this is because Nix was quoted in interviews after the 2012 draft and before the 2013 draft saying that if you want a QB you'd better over-draft him because he won't last until the spot where you have him valued.

 

 

You aren’t considering context Hap. Z I disagree that Maybin was worse than EJ, given their positions.  Maybin ended up having a very small impact on the Bills overall.  They never passed on other DE prospects since he was drafted in 2009.  Never overspent on to draft an underperforming WR to prove that he was the real deal.  

 

I do hold Whaley responsible for EJ.  Everything I have seen on Whaley would indicate that while he technically wasn’t GM at the time, he was waiting in the wings to take over months later and there is little doubt he was on board with the move.  This, again, is evidenced by the huge gamble on Watkins the next year.

 

I know a portion of the fan base love Whaley but he’s not innocent here

3 hours ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

It still is amazing that Russ Brandon was our GM for that season........say that out loud.

And then he took Maybin who was in no way qualified to play professional football.

 

Take a look at the 2009 draft with Eric Wood, Jairus Byrd and Andy Levitre drafted consecutively.  Three Pro Bowl talents.   Yes Maybin was a flop but those 3 in one draft is better than anything Nix or Whaley ever put together:

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  Guy made almost $10 million and was never any good. Started a total of 18 games. Can retire a multi-millionaire at 29 without his body being wrecked by the NFL. 

  That's good work if you can get it.

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15 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

what part of "somewhat a victim of circumstance" translates to franchise QB? If you think playing for Marrone and Hacket is not a bit of a circumstance for a QB we will have to disagree. The guy was decent his first year, made rookie mistakes sure..and then was .500 in his second year and gets benched. Orton comes in a goes 1 game over 500 with the same group..and wins with D just like EJ did.

 

And with certainty, EJ had one of the worst 5-minute stretches of football ever played by an NFL QB in London...but had the team in the lead with 4 minutes to play. That was basically his last action in the NFL

 

I don't think EJ was ever going to be a quality starting QB in this league..but he is a damn site better than i would think then half the backups.

LOL EJ better than half the backups, which is why he was making league minimum, and got replaced by Peterman. LOL

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I wish him the best, but still can’t forgive him for the Jacksonville game.

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On 5/13/2019 at 8:44 PM, Buffalo86 said:

 

No kidding.  Here's a video from our 2014 war room, queued up to the part where Overdorff starts working the phones to try to make a trade.  LMFAO!

 

 

Surprised Russ Brandon has his pants on in this video

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LOL  still going at it?   

 

Let the man walk off into the sunset and retire in peace.  We've had mush worse than EJ.  

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people who pretend that the pick someone was drafted at, the personality of the qb coach on the rookie team, etc etc is what makes or breaks a qb make me chortle.

 

it's a sport, if a guy falls apart it means he sucks, period.  you can argue that like phillip rivers might have won a super bowl if he were the qb of the giants, or that sam cowart would be a goat if he never got hurt, but you can't argue that a write of joke like ej manual, or jp losman, needed a different play book and then they are a 10 year starter in the nfl.  the suck, they always sucked, and no matter what happened, the were gonna suck.

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On 5/15/2019 at 5:28 AM, todd said:

I wish him the best, but still can’t forgive him for the Jacksonville game.

He did come back and would have won if it wasn’t for a bull#### PI call that gave Jax the game to help build their London fan base. 

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On 5/16/2019 at 8:31 AM, uticaclub said:

He did come back and would have won if it wasn’t for a bull#### PI call that gave Jax the game to help build their London fan base. 

 

He didn't though. We took the lead on a pick-6 by Corey Graham.

 

He did make some plays to get it close (after single-handedly putting the team in a deep hole), but late in the 4th and down by 3, with the game on the line and the ball in his hands, he took a ***** on the field. 

 

He sucked.

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On 5/14/2019 at 11:47 AM, LabattBlue said:

Going forward, not sure how many years EJ could have stayed on a roster as a backup, but if I was him, I would have milked it for every last penny.  Even at a mil or two per year, what a great gig.  Train your ass off, be a good guy in the QB room, etc....

 

 

When he was picked I thought for sure he would at least pull a Todd Collins and hang around the league into his late 30's.    

 

One of the things that has changed since Collins days though is that all teams don't carry 3 QB's on the 53 anymore.

 

QB's don't take the abuse they once did and once you get to QB3 now it's pretty much tank-time........so might as well get one off the street at that point rather than waste a roster spot for 17 weeks.

 

So hanging around the league now means changing teams every year or two instead of getting to kick back with a clipboard for 5 years in the same town like Collins did in KC...........and with $10M banked already that transient life isn't necessary.

 

 

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