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50 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Called this a long time ago. Bills just need two QBs this year. Barkley will do fine as a backup. There are too many young players like Teller and Levi Wallace to waste a roster spot on an emergency QB. If Allen gets hurt for an extended period the season is a waste anyways.  Best to just keep 2 QBs, roll the dice, and keep an extra young player.

 

And then 2016 happens, Tyrod Taylor gets hurt, E.J. Manuel gets benched, and we need rookie Cardale Jones to come in and finish the game.

 

Or last year, when we opted to trade A.J. McCarron and go with just Peterman and Allen. Then Peterman sucked in game one, Allen became the starter, and we had to scramble to find a third QB - Derek Anderson - to back up Allen.  Then Allen got hurt, Peterman still sucked, and we had to sign Barkley.

 

It makes sense to carry 3 QBs.  It’s the smart thing to do.  It’s what the Bills will do.  Allen, Barkley, Jackson - there’s your depth chart.

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10 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The Bills should get ahead of this thing now and bring in another qb. I think it’s a good idea to have that 4th guy in the hopper here to get reps and learn the playbook. You are always a hit or 2 away from these backups having to play and you can’t rely on an undrafted rookie with serious mechanical flaws to be a hit away from dressing.

they will definitely have 4 arms in camp.   that is a given.   how many on the roster week 1 is another question.  derek anderson was more than done.  all good

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10 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

He was a good a #3 qb as you could find in the league

I think we scored 6 pts with him in for 2 games, he’s terrible, even for a 3. His only purpose was to mentor allen

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Makes sense. Still have a starter, vet and a project QB on roster. Allen and Barkley are all we really need on game day. Will see what we have in Jackson and in a couple years maybe he takes that leap to #2 or fully develops and becomes nice trade bait.

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29 minutes ago, Pbomb said:

I think we scored 6 pts with him in for 2 games, he’s terrible, even for a 3. His only purpose was to mentor allen

 

Yup. Josh got a 1/2 year of training and now they have Dorsey. Good luck in retirement DA. 

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11 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'd be fine with that. Barkley is more polished as a backup then the rookie.  Too bad Derek couldn't just Immediately become a qb coach for Josh.

 

Why do you assume that Anderson would make a good QB coach?  Because he gave Allen some pointers last season when the Bills had a QB coach who wasn't qualified to be one?   They have a real QB coach in Dorsey, so they don't need an apprentice QB coach.

 

11 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

 I doubt the Bills are excited about heading into a season with 3 very inexperienced QBs. I realize Barkley is a veteran but it’s not as if he has a ton of game experience. Allen probably has more starts and he missed a bunch of last season. I bet they look for another vet backup qb to go with Barkley. At least for preseason competition.

 

Since the Bills went into last year's regular season with 3 QBs with 5 total NFL starts among them, I doubt that the Bills are all that consumed with adding a third experienced QB since Josh Allen already has  11 starts and Matt Barkley's had 7 starts over 5 years. 

 

Moreover, as last year's TC and preseason amply demonstrated, preseason "competition" is a joke when the HC's favored candidate is incompetent.   If you think that McCarron made a stink just because he was an idiot, guess again.   He complained because he wasn't given a fair shot at becoming the starter -- and the team knew it.  That the team instantly played better when the completely inexperienced Allen took over in the 2nd half of the season opener for Peterman proves that.

 

I'll take a "rookie QB with mechancial issues", which described Josh Allen last season and describes Tyree Jackson this season, over a QB whose only positives are knowing the playbook and trying hard.   Learning the playbook and trying hard isn't only the province of veterans.

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12 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

And to the coaching booth with him. 

Yup! They really need to keep him on as staff for Josh. You could see a real change in his play after he spent some time with D. A. He read the field better and faster. it would be a good thing to do to help Josh's mental game continue to grow.

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I guarantee his wife told him to hang it up before he got seriously injured out there.

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12 hours ago, Boca BIlls said:

Why does every player have to become a coach? 

I don't think everyone believes every player has to become a coach. But in Anderson's case, there was a significant uptick in JA's playing after Derek arrived. He was mentoring the kid and it showed. He was reading the field better and making quicker decisions with the football. I would not be apposed to DA staying on as a mentor to Josh..

11 hours ago, #34fan said:

I feel like Gore makes it as far as TC, then calls it a career.

 I would not be apposed to this either. That MoFo is old as dirt. Yes he was a great player and might have a mile or two left on the treads but i just see his as a brittle old man as far as football is concerned.

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11 hours ago, McBean said:

I still crack up how Anderson signed here last year to hold a clipboard, but then got thrown to the wolves because of Peterpick.

Yeah, it was terrible to watch. It was like watching a pack of hungry wolves tear apart a kitten. Utter blood bath.

 

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this is why Jackson signed with Buffalo. They knew Anderson was retiring

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Maybe he'll join the coaching staff. Looks like the next logical step for him

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8 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Awful players can have good games. He also threw several floaters that could have been picked off in that game. There is no doubt he had a successful game, and results are results. But he’s been historically awful mostly because of his rag arm. He has an abysmal record. If he plays four games I think we win one of them. I have watched him a lot. He’s slightly better than Peterman and has the same skill set. 

Peterman has a skill set?

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5 hours ago, eball said:

 

What did you have built before Peterman was cut?  

A bathtub, a toaster, a water bottle filled with bleach. 

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4 hours ago, The Senator said:

 

And then 2016 happens, Tyrod Taylor gets hurt, E.J. Manuel gets benched, and we need rookie Cardale Jones to come in and finish the game.

 

Or last year, when we opted to trade A.J. McCarron and go with just Peterman and Allen. Then Peterman sucked in game one, Allen became the starter, and we had to scramble to find a third QB - Derek Anderson - to back up Allen.  Then Allen got hurt, Peterman still sucked, and we had to sign Barkley.

 

It makes sense to carry 3 QBs.  It’s the smart thing to do.  It’s what the Bills will do.  Allen, Barkley, Jackson - there’s your depth chart.

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Barkley is far better than the back ups you mentioned. Jackson is a PS level QB.  If Allen is hurt the season is lost anyways.

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It kind of stinks IMO.  Josh Allen seemed to really relate to him due to similar attributes.  It's not that easy to say just bring him on as coach.  As other reporters have pointed out, coaching is actually a bigger time commitment than being a 3rd string QB.

 

Also, Tyree is no where near ready to see anything close to an NFL field.  Last year we used way too many QBs for me to feel comfortable as having Tyree the 3rd.

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I am of the opinion that Derek Anderson had absolutely nothing to do with Allen's progress last year.   

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14 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Peterman has a skill set?

You made my point. ;)

1 minute ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

I am of the opinion that Derek Anderson had absolutely nothing to do with Allen's progress last year.   

You have a far different opinion than Josh Allen does then. 

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3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

You made my point. ;)

You have a far different opinion than Josh Allen does then. 

Josh is a polite young man.

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Just now, PlayoffsPlease said:

Josh is a polite young man.

He went way out of his way to say what a help Anderson was. He went less out of his way to say Barkley also helped. He said nothing about his QB coach. There was a clear preference. 

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8 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Awful players can have good games. He also threw several floaters that could have been picked off in that game. There is no doubt he had a successful game, and results are results. But he’s been historically awful mostly because of his rag arm. He has an abysmal record. If he plays four games I think we win one of them. I have watched him a lot. He’s slightly better than Peterman and has the same skill set. 

 

I can't dispute your characterization of Barkley as a Peterman-type, with less gunslinger and better field vision, but a similar set of physical skills including a limited arm.

 

He played a competent game against the Jets.  He flamed out when given a shot to start with Da Bears, but he I think was asked to perform above his pay grade there (though I really don't know too much about Dowell Loggains - do you?). 

 

Based on the Jets game, he seems a McCarron-type who, with support from a good run game/D and an OC who game plans for him, could meet the backup criteria of 50/50.  I'm not saying I wouldn't like an upgrade at backup, but Barkley isn't Peterman- or Anderson- scary to me.  Maybe I've just got low standards - he isn't Jeff Tuel or Thad Lewis. 😜

 

2 hours ago, BigPappy said:

Yeah, it was terrible to watch. It was like watching a pack of hungry wolves tear apart a kitten. Utter blood bath.

 

I can't see Anderson as a kitten.  Make it a geriatric elk.  He could defend himself with his antlers at one point, but those days are done.

23 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He went way out of his way to say what a help Anderson was. He went less out of his way to say Barkley also helped. He said nothing about his QB coach. There was a clear preference. 

 

I'd like to hear the "less out of his way to say Barkley helped" bit - can you linky what you're referencing?

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45 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Barkley is far better than the back ups you mentioned. Jackson is a PS level QB.  If Allen is hurt the season is lost anyways.

 

If Barkley is so good, why would the season be lost?  He seemed to play better than Allen in the one game we saw him play against the Jets last year when Allen was out.

 

If Allen has to miss a game or two, Barkley can step in and play at an NFL level.  And, if that happens, it would be stupid NOT to have a back-up who’s been on the roster all season - unless you think it would be smarter, at mid-season, to try to talk Anderson out of retirement, or bring in another QB who doesn’t the the playbook or the players.

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Has Anderson cleared concussion protocol, yet?  He's like Kolb 2.0.

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