WR situation is like going in with Peterman as starter last year

[Canadian Bills Fan]

Your user name perfectly suits you

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Turk71 said:

That's ridiculous. GMs are far from infallible. Some of the top receivers in the league were drafted day 2 and 3, including Antonio Brown in the 5th. Was he not a top prospect simply because GMs missed it?

  Not supporting or defending the OPs premise, but you said is simply not true.

I think you do not understand the word prospects.  Every guy drafted is a prospect.  Some are more highly rated prospects, but the draft is an inexact exercise.

[jimmy10]

2 hours ago, Troll Toll said:

It is the train wreck everyone sees coming. So many of the top receivers were there for the taking with a trade up into the 2nd. Is Cole Beasly our top receiver? We have nobody that can consistently win on the outside. We don’t have guys that align with Allen’s skillset. The Titans now have Corey Davis AND AJ Brown. Allen would kill it with those guys. Buffalo definitely could have made some trade to get Brown. Instead, I don’t know if their 3rd round picks make the team in 2 years.

 

I understand that you can’t fix a broken offense like ours was in one offseason, but I feel like they are setting up Allen to struggle... again! Allen needs someone that can track and catch his deep throws, otherwise teams will cheat towards the LoS again. It’s just frustrating knowing Allen has no shot of realizing his full potential this year.

 

Username checks out. 

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, Troll Toll said:

It is the train wreck everyone sees coming. So many of the top receivers were there for the taking with a trade up into the 2nd. Is Cole Beasly our top receiver? We have nobody that can consistently win on the outside. We don’t have guys that align with Allen’s skillset. The Titans now have Corey Davis AND AJ Brown. Allen would kill it with those guys. Buffalo definitely could have made some trade to get Brown. Instead, I don’t know if their 3rd round picks make the team in 2 years.

 

I understand that you can’t fix a broken offense like ours was in one offseason, but I feel like they are setting up Allen to struggle... again! Allen needs someone that can track and catch his deep throws, otherwise teams will cheat towards the LoS again. It’s just frustrating knowing Allen has no shot of realizing his full potential this year.

If only we addressed this in Free Agency.

[Mojo44]

6 minutes ago, Troll Toll said:

Juju, Cooper Kupp, Michael Thomas, Jarvis Landry, Robert Woods are all top flight NFL receivers that were drafted recently in Round 2.

 All that matters is this year! It was in a single wide receiver of that quality that you mentioned in this post available. Again, a very weak year for wide receivers. Honestly, you don’t seem to be getting this. Look, remember all the hype about DK ? But, why do you think he wasn’t taken until the 64th pick? Because all of the teams knew he’s way too much of a risk. Just a down year. I can see them making a value pack on day three. Maybe someone like Jamal Custis of Syracuse.

[billsfan1959]

The wide receiver position is not, I'm sure, where the team would like it to be, nor where most fans would like it to be. However, it is not nearly as dire as the OP and others are claiming. Beane clearly recognizes the need to upgrade the position as evidenced by considering a trade for Antonio Brown. My own personal opinion is that he is not done addressing the position.

 

With that said, the most efficient way to help Allen improve his play this year is to give him a strong Oline and running game. Those two things alone will allow him to use his strengths (throwing downfield, play action, etc) while he develops / refines other skills / abilities. It will also make the receivers they currently have on the team better.

 

I would have loved taking a chance on DK Metcalf or one of the other top receivers in this class; however, I believe the Bills got better value and addressed more foundational needs with the picks they made.

 

Wide receiver upgrades will eventually happen. Beane has done a good job so far.

 

Rome wasn't built in a day. We'll see how it plays out on the field, but, in my opinion, this team is so much further ahead now than they were at the end of last year - and it will only get better.

[Turk71]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

I think you do not understand the word prospects.  Every guy drafted is a prospect.  Some are more highly rated prospects, but the draft is an inexact exercise.

That's exactly my point, the people grading these prospects are often wrong.

[FLFan]

2 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

Your user name perfectly suits you

It certainly does.  People should just ignore this newby troll and move on.  

[C.Biscuit97]

Maybe the way the OP started the thread comes across bad but he has a point.  And before I get called a “hater” because I don’t praise every Bills pick, Oliver was my favorite Bills pick in years and while not my first choice, I like the Cody Ford choice, especially with his mindset.

 

but are we sure this regime can judge receiving talent:

 

- Jordan Matthews

- trading multiple picks for Kelvin Benjamin 

- trading up for Zay

- “discovering” Robert Foster at Alabama and then cutting him

 

and I like some of our guys but we don’t have a number 1 receiver or TE

 

- Brown, overpaid, 646 yards/ season

- Beasley, who I love, 467 yards/ season

- Kroft, 3rd stringer because he couldn’t beat out a guy with frying pans for hands, 165 yards/ season and averaged less than 10 yards per catch the last 3 years.

 

If you had Brady, maybe this group is good enough.  But for a young qb, this is not that good of group. I trust this regime a million percent on defense.  But honestly, they kinda suck at identifying receiving talent.  

2 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

 All that matters is this year! It was in a single wide receiver of that quality that you mentioned in this post available. Again, a very weak year for wide receivers. Honestly, you don’t seem to be getting this. Look, remember all the hype about DK ? But, why do you think he wasn’t taken until the 64th pick? Because all of the teams knew he’s way too much of a risk. Just a down year. I can see them making a value pack on day three. Maybe someone like Jamal Custis of Syracuse.

You have no idea. 2017 was a weak year for qbs supposedly.  

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Turk71 said:

That's exactly my point, the people grading these prospects are often wrong.

My point is guys get drafted based on the evaluation pre-draft.  And a lot of WRs this year just weren't ranked that high.  We'll all know in a couple years, but the OP thinks he knows now.

[scribo]

Complete nonsense of a post. Our WR corps is far superior to last years. Far! More importantly, our oline and RBs are far better this year. Far! I am very confident the Bills offense will score considerably more points in the coming season, definitely including many more through the air.

[Hebert19]

It's like people forget that robert foster was a top 10 WR over the last 6 games with no help.  Throw in brown on other side and Beasley in the slot and let's see him operate.  Plus we will have a running game this time around. 

[nedboy7]

The OP's name is appropriate. 

[Luka]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Maybe the way the OP started the thread comes across bad but he has a point.  And before I get called a “hater” because I don’t praise every Bills pick, Oliver was my favorite Bills pick in years and while not my first choice, I like the Cody Ford choice, especially with his mindset.

 

but are we sure this regime can judge receiving talent:

 

- Jordan Matthews

- trading multiple picks for Kelvin Benjamin 

- trading up for Zay

- “discovering” Robert Foster at Alabama and then cutting him

 

and I like some of our guys but we don’t have a number 1 receiver or TE

 

- Brown, overpaid, 646 yards/ season

- Beasley, who I love, 467 yards/ season

- Kroft, 3rd stringer because he couldn’t beat out a guy with frying pans for hands, 165 yards/ season and averaged less than 10 yards per catch the last 3 years.

 

If you had Brady, maybe this group is good enough.  But for a young qb, this is not that good of group. I trust this regime a million percent on defense.  But honestly, they kinda suck at identifying receiving talent.  

 

This all seems reasonable until you realize you've completely left out Williams and Knox, ignore the fact that Foster was the most productive rookie wideout in the league in the 2nd half of the season or ignore the fact that Beane flat out said you don't need a #1 wideout, you need guys that fit the scheme.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

I didn’t realize that hot takes like this weren’t just an in-season occurrence? Saying we are in the same boat as 2018 at skill positions is simply not credible. We are significantly improved on paper already, and now need to see how it all comes together in camp/games. Cheer up Charlie, last year was rock bottom. 

[BillsCuse]

I would've liked to see a WR so far, but you can tell it's a weaker class by where they've been drafted. Season doesn't start tomorrow, there will undoubtedly be cuts and trades before September if they feel they need another one.  Anyone who 

[cage]

2 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

I am pleased with this draft, but sorry, I agree that we are a bit thin at wide receiver talent.

 

true that after the first two rounds number one wr talent is at a premium.  

 

However, it is not an incorrect statement to say we are made up of 2s and 3s.

 

I take the point and I liked AJ Brown as well.  However, we do have talent, coupled with a much improved OL and hopefully revitalization of the running game

 

In addition to the free agents who are all good players, we should expect improvement from Robert Foster.  I think he caught a spark and lights are turned on for him.  If we extrapolate his production in the last 7 games when he came back from the practice squad to a full season, its impressive.  Lets also assume a 10% improvement just from gaining a year of experience and going into that 2nd year.  That seems a reasonable baseline.  Coaches for years have told us that your biggest improvements come from last year's rookies.  If that stays true to form then his season might look something like this.  Is that #1 WR territory?

 

 

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

People keep forgetting about Duke Williams

 

Who is so highly thought of they signed him to a reserve/futures contract.  I have a sense he'll struggle to separate in the NFL.  

 

1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said:

Everything about Sean is about ground and pound ,  even giving up picks to draft slow moving TE because he is a good blocker.  He plays caveman football and does not get it,  you need to make plays down the field to win games.

 

I read somewhere yesterday that the plan is to run the ball and look for spots to let Allen throw long in year 2.  With the emphasis on the ground game, I can see why McBeane went away from receivers and more toward supporting the ground game this off-season.    

 

That's the kind of strategy that lends credence to the idea McD isn't enamored with throwing the ball.  So many young QBs are developing, yet Buffalo wants to keep the reins tight on Allen.  It supports the notion this HC is not offensively innovative or a dynamic thinker there, although we shall see.      

Edited April 27, 2019 by BillsVet

[billspro]

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Funny you mention this because I feel like people are forgetting about Duke Williams. 

 

I don't know how his game will transition to the NFL but he's got experience and killed in the cfl. 

 

It seems like the Bills may like him more than we thought

[billsfan1959]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Yea it's a pretty average to below average group of recievers. 

 

And if Foster flames out it will look even worse. 

 

Was really hoping they'd get creative and find a way to bring at least one really good reciever in here. 

I think Beane has been exploring ways to do just that. It wasn't exactly a bumper crop of FA WRs and I believe Oliver, Ford, and Singletary were all better value picks for this team, at this moment, than a WR would have been. IMO, Beane will continue looking for an upgrade right up into training camp. If he finds it and can obtain it at a reasonable cost, he will pull the trigger. If not, the improvements they have made on the Oline and at RB will help the group of receivers they have be better - and they look to upgrade more next year.