NFL Draft - Day 2 (put your general pick commentary here)

[PetermansRedemption]

5 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

Look on the bright side. We could have Steve Kiem.

Or Gruden/Mayock. Or Gettlemen

[HuSeYiN_NYC]

I say bundle the 5th, 6th and 7th round picks, move back in the 4th, pick a WR and leave Nashville with our toys...

 

Then call the Texans up and trade them the 64th overall pick of the 2020 draft for Clowney...

[BuffaloBillies]

Any chance of packaging the rest of our slop (5,6,7,7) for a 4th rounder? 

Harmon or Butler would put a nice bow on this off season.

With all the players already on this team (current players,  FAs, and draftees), these late round picks are less likely to make the team anyway. 

Edited April 27, 2019 by BuffaloBillies

[sven233]

14 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

So this tells you Beans did not see them the way you do.  Help me out, why should I believe you are a better judge of talent? 

 

Not saying I do.  What I am saying is that what he did instead isn't a great idea value-wise.  A RB in the 3rd round I think is a fundamentally bad move.  Trading 2 4th round picks for a project TE that was a backup QB and that has never scored a TD just doesn't seem like a great idea.  Forget the players I mentioned.  They don't matter.  It's more on the fundamental decisions they made than anything else.

[klos63]

5 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

Not saying I do.  What I am saying is that what he did instead isn't a great idea value-wise.  A RB in the 3rd round I think is a fundamentally bad move.  Trading 2 4th round picks for a project TE that was a backup QB and that has never scored a TD just doesn't seem like a great idea.  Forget the players I mentioned.  They don't matter.  It's more on the fundamental decisions they made than anything else.

Why is it 'fundamentally' a bad move?

Knox may not have scored a TD, but he averaged 18.9 ypc one season, does that count for something?

 

[buffaloboyinATL]

17 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

Thanks for sharing that!

 

I don't recall ever seeing a RB generate so many missed tackles than this guy, and to be honest, I can't really see how he's doing it.  He just seems to have that kinda "it" factor that you can't explain.

I'm really looking forward to him scoring 32 rushing TDs for the Bills this year!

I thought the same thing. I think it’s his vision. He must be able to “see the whole field”.

[c-troop]

6 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

Not saying I do.  What I am saying is that what he did instead isn't a great idea value-wise.  A RB in the 3rd round I think is a fundamentally bad move.  Trading 2 4th round picks for a project TE that was a backup QB and that has never scored a TD just doesn't seem like a great idea.  Forget the players I mentioned.  They don't matter.  It's more on the fundamental decisions they made than anything else.

it screams lack of plan B's and they started gambling w/ house money once they secured round 1&2 and players they liked started disappearing.

pure conjecture, except most the historically good teams did not gamble this round. 

Edited April 27, 2019 by c-troop

[KennyDavisEyes]

28 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

BB hit home runs with his first two picks then bunted the next 2.

Sometimes a few useful bunts can win you the game

[klos63]

I stopped thinking I was an expert about the draft many years ago. I think Beane knows what he is doing and I trust him. You don't draft perfect players in the 3rd round, but if you are smart you can get some very good ones. Nothing I've read about the last 2 picks makes me think that they won't help our team.  You have to try real hard not to be happy with what we got in the first 3 rounds.

[sven233]

5 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Why is it 'fundamentally' a bad move?

Knox may not have scored a TD, but he averaged 18.9 ypc one season, does that count for something?

 

 

I guess I just rather not draft a project with 2 4th round picks, that's all.  He may turn out to be great.  He has good measurables and I do think he was a bit misused.  But 2 4th rounders is a lot to give up on a guy with his level of production.

Edited April 27, 2019 by sven233

[Locomark]

17 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said:

Any chance of packaging the rest of our slop (5,6,7,7) for a 4th rounder? 

Harmon or Butler would put a nice bow on this off season.

With all the players already on this team (current players,  FAs, and draftees), these late round picks are less likely to make the team anyway. 

I think they don’t do that at all. I expect a run at a depth LB for Lorenzo.  (Remember Milano was a 5th rounder) Then I figure we look at Edge,wr,Cb guys to see what we can build for competition. If Foster can make an impact as an undrafted why can’t a 6th rounder? 

[klos63]

1 minute ago, sven233 said:

 

I guess I just rather not draft a project with 2 4th round picks, that's all.  He may turn out to be great.  He has good measurables and I do think he was a bit misused.  But 2 4th rounders is a lot to give up on a guy with his level of production.

Fair enough. I would rather more picks early than later. I think you get more impact players that way. We shall see.

[Stallions]

32 minutes ago, Billy Buffalo said:

In these two days one thing is for sure, the front office has done its job by recruiting the needs of the team.

 

Yes it has and I love it!

[MrEpsYtown]

Beane went BPA and targeted guys he wanted like Ford. I like that he didn't mortgage any future picks and was patient in the right places. We didn't draft for need, but still filled holes. He didn't force a receiver pick when it wasn't there. 

 

I hope David Sills is there in the 5th, and I think it is possible. I'm guessing one of Sills, Maxx Crosby, Blake Cashman, or one of the very many DBs will still be avlable. We shall see. 

[Locomark]

1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

If this guy ever starts for the Bills, I'll take my crow well done.  This looks like 'scoe part deux.

He may be starting this year if Shady pulls a hammy..

[Nitro]

Beane said ideally you want 3 or 4 starters coming out of the draft.  I see one (Oliver) and three back ups.  Maybe they will win starting spots.  SIngletary and Knox can develop and be future starters.

[sven233]

4 minutes ago, Nitro said:

Beane said ideally you want 3 or 4 starters coming out of the draft.  I see one (Oliver) and three back ups.  Maybe they will win starting spots.  SIngletary and Knox can develop and be future starters.

 

Ford will start.

[buffaloboyinATL]

8 minutes ago, Nitro said:

Beane said ideally you want 3 or 4 starters coming out of the draft.  I see one (Oliver) and three back ups.  Maybe they will win starting spots.  SIngletary and Knox can develop and be future starters.

Ha ha Ford a backup?!  ?

[BillsFan4]

 

 

 

i love these 2!

[Big Turk]

34 minutes ago, Nitro said:

Beane said ideally you want 3 or 4 starters coming out of the draft.  I see one (Oliver) and three back ups.  Maybe they will win starting spots.  SIngletary and Knox can develop and be future starters.

Ford could be a very good starter, WTF are you smoking?

[nikuman]

2 hours ago, c-troop said:

when you are sprinting to the endzone

 

...which he did 7 times for 40+ yards and another 8 times for 20+ yards.  Sucks to be slow.

[Warcodered]

9 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Ford could be a very good starter, WTF are you smoking?

Plus with the adjustment we hear college lineman have to make going into the NFL maybe he is a backup for a year.

[c-troop]

Just now, nikuman said:

 

...which he did 7 times for 40+ yards and another 8 times for 20+ yards.  Sucks to be slow.

against who bro? who are these elite defenders he was making look foolish with his elite 4.66-speed bro?

My gripe is Devin Singletary has yet to establish himself against elite level competition and you guys are acting like he is shady 2.0.

He is literally a nobody with less than 5000 views on his highlight tape. 

He couldn't make D1

The big name schools didn't want him. 

that matters until proven otherwise and there is only one other player from his division currently killing it in the NFL (Kareem Hunt) and he isn't even top 10. these things matter dude.

stop making excuses for a reach RB pick. Beane and McDermott panicked when they saw the RB run and didn't want to miss their RB the same way they missed their WR.
They had bad 3rd round luck. I believe this will work out in the long run regardlessly. It was suboptimal though. 

I live in Toronto and I'm a Raptors fan. I see this player similarly compared to Fred Van Vleet

FVV was a walk-on point guard from Wichita who got paid big money once he established himself. If he got drafted in the second round, fans would have flipped, yet he didn't, and it worked out and he deserves his respect and his minutes. 
 

[cle23]

8 minutes ago, c-troop said:

against who bro? who are these elite defenders he was making look foolish with his elite 4.66-speed bro?

My gripe is Devin Singletary has yet to establish himself against elite level competition and you guys are acting like he is shady 2.0.

He is literally a nobody with less than 5000 views on his highlight tape. 

He couldn't make D1

The big name schools didn't want him. 

that matters until proven otherwise and there is only one other player from his division currently killing it in the NFL (Kareem Hunt) and he isn't even top 10. these things matter dude.

stop making excuses for a reach RB pick. Beane and McDermott panicked when they saw the RB run and didn't want to miss their RB the same way they missed their WR.
They had bad 3rd round luck. I believe this will work out in the long run regardlessly. It was suboptimal though. 

I live in Toronto and I'm a Raptors fan. I see this player similarly compared to Fred Van Vleet

FVV was a walk-on point guard from Wichita who got paid big money once he established himself. If he got drafted in the second round, fans would have flipped, yet he didn't, and it worked out and he deserves his respect and his minutes. 
 

 

FAU is D1. 

[c-troop]

4 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

FAU is D1. 

my bad they are 

Conference USA 

they meanest division in the south

Edited April 27, 2019 by c-troop

[nikuman]

2 hours ago, c-troop said:

Have you seen Alabama's passing distribution?

here I will show you. 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pi/shareit/KYHLK

see 4th on that list? that's a TE that put up 700+ rec yards. 

see 2 through 5? they all have around 40 receptions. 

see number 1? has 1300 receiving yards. 

there is no need to make excuses. 

he could be great, we will all wait and see!

just stop making excuses for grown men. they don't need you to defend them.

 

Understand the point you're trying to make, but don't follow the logic.  Looking at Ole Miss' pass distribution, 72% of the passes went to the top 2 receivers and 85% to the top 3.  Knox saw less than 8% of the receptions.  If passes were distributed more evenly - as you demonstrated that Alabama's were - then Knox also could have pulled in 750 yards on 40 receptions.  The argument about pass distribution is valid.  

Edited April 27, 2019 by nikuman

[c-troop]

1 minute ago, nikuman said:

 

Understand the point you're trying to make, but don't follow the logic.  Looking at Ole Miss' pass distribution, 72% of the passes went to the top 2 receivers and 85% to the top 3.  Knox saw less than 8% of the receptions.  If passes were distributed more evenly - as you demonstrated that Alabama's were - then Knox also could have pulled in 750 yards on 40 receptions.  The argument about pass distribution is valid.  

did the QB just not like him or could he not get open?

[nikuman]

5 minutes ago, c-troop said:

did the QB just not like him or could he not get open?

 

Maybe so.

[Nitro]

Ford is a physical run blocker but I question whether he can be a consistent pass blocker at the NFL level.  We shall see how this pans out.

[quincy]

No issue in picking Cody Ford, was surprised he wasn't a day 1 selection. Happy.

 

I would have preferred a DE in round 3 - any of the players picked in that round - Winovich, Ferguson or Ximines.

 

I thought that Sternberger and Winovich were round 2 picks and a bit disappointed that an RB was the choice in round 3. 

 

In fact I would have preferred any of the 5 picks immediately after Singletary at 73 - Sternberger - McLaurin - Winovich - Dieter - Long

 

Preferred Foster Moreau to Knox but going to root for Singletary and Knox in any case.

 

Expecting day 3 to feature more defense - Maxx Crosby, Blake Cashman, Hemp Cheevers, Vosean Joseph are prospects the Bills have met.

 

Would be great if we can trade 147 and 181 for 124 (Seattle) and get a Kelvin Harmon or Hakeem Butler if available.

 

 

 

 

[3rdand12]

14 hours ago, klos63 said:

I stopped thinking I was an expert about the draft many years ago. I think Beane knows what he is doing and I trust him. You don't draft perfect players in the 3rd round, but if you are smart you can get some very good ones. Nothing I've read about the last 2 picks makes me think that they won't help our team.  You have to try real hard not to be happy with what we got in the first 3 rounds.

I agree.

on all counts 63.
if by position alone  you can see Beanes knows what they want.
if you are unsure of the players picked ? you might have to learn to trust Beane and his scouts (why i write Beanes )
 percentages of success in the NFL long term decrease the later the pick generally speaking.
 I feel good about the scouts and i trust Beanes after those first two picks. and i am no hater of last years work either.

Go Bills

 Koolaid for everyone !!

 cheers