LabattBlue Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 4:19 PM, Yav said: I think the Bills can work with him on that, kid can cover and if he can be a shut down guy thats just as good as tackling. Expand If it was as simple as that, he still wouldn't be sitting in the green room at the start of day 2 of the draft.
PolishDave Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 3:47 PM, lookylookyherecomescookie said: I haven't seen this addressed, and am curious as to what others think. I'm under the impression that while college to pro transition is difficult, it is most difficult for OL and WR. (QB aside, as that is a whole different animal). It seems to me that the Bills were most active in signing FA's this year in these two groups. Is it possible that they are willing to let other NFL teams be a training ground for their eventual WR's and OL, and they will concentrate their draft pix on position groups where the pix can make a much quicker contribution? I realize we had huge needs with these two groups, but perhaps draft strategy is affected by transition difficulty. Thoughts? Expand I would be amazed if that was their reasoning. I think it is more that they simply don't value the positions as highly as other staffs do. As was the case with Sammy Watkins and Bob Woods. They don't want to spend money in either of those two positions with the exception of Center perhaps because of the importance of Center-QB relationship.
DCOrange Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 FWIW, considering Charlie Campbell got a crazy 11 picks right last night (without even attempting to guess at trades for that matter), for tonight he has Buffalo taking Riley Ridley at 40 and Yodny Cajuste at 74. Has 4 WRs being taken in the 33-39 range before it gets to us.
HappyDays Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 11:52 AM, YoloinOhio said: If Byron Murphy is there at 40 I think the Bills would have a tough time passing on him. Not to say I would - I am jonesing for offense too Expand Teams don't draft like fans. They aren't just thinking about this year, especially after round 1. CB looks good right now but Gaines and Johnson are on one year deals, and Wallace didn't show enough last year to earn any kind of long term commitment. If the best player available is a CB they'll take him for the future. 1
ndirish1978 Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 OT - Risner, Taylor, Ford G - Dru Samia, Elgton Jenkins, Erik Mccoy, Michael Dieter - TONS of good guards available TE - Irv Smith Jr., Jace Sternberger WR - DK Metcalf, AJ Brown, Hakeem Butler, EDGE - Chase Winovich, Jaylon Ferguson CB - Julian Love, Amani Oruwariye, Greedy Williams, Rock Ya-Sin
YoloinOhio Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 4:19 PM, Yav said: I think the Bills can work with him on that, kid can cover and if he can be a shut down guy thats just as good as tackling. Expand Maybe but we already have Levi Wallace who can cover and not tackle
lookylookyherecomescookie Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 4:43 PM, PolishDave said: I would be amazed if that was their reasoning. I think it is more that they simply don't value the positions as highly as other staffs do. As was the case with Sammy Watkins and Bob Woods. They don't want to spend money in either of those two positions with the exception of Center perhaps because of the importance of Center-QB relationship. Expand fair enough, but if they don't value OL highly, we're screwed
Augie Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 The great part is you can easily make a list of 8 VERY good players, and we will get one of them! OL, TE, WR. 2
Yav Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 4:40 PM, LabattBlue said: If it was as simple as that, he still wouldn't be sitting in the green room at the start of day 2 of the draft. Expand I'm just saying with safety help the tackling may not be a big concern. LSU seems to always turn out great defensive players and their corners are always solid. He's just a player I like in the second round.
MrEpsYtown Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 4:58 PM, DCOrange said: FWIW, considering Charlie Campbell got a crazy 11 picks right last night (without even attempting to guess at trades for that matter), for tonight he has Buffalo taking Riley Ridley at 40 and Yodny Cajuste at 74. Has 4 WRs being taken in the 33-39 range before it gets to us. Expand I know everybody hates walter football, but Charlie did better than all the experts.
100DollarBills Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 I will say that having Risner and Butler would solidify this as a grade A draft, after that it doesn’t matter who they draft.
Yav Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 5:09 PM, YoloinOhio said: Maybe but we already have Levi Wallace who can cover and not tackle Expand I just like Greedy. I don't see the Bills drafting a CB right now. Safe bet would be OL or TE.
YattaOkasan Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 3:55 PM, glazeduck said: Better being the operative word. Not sure he'll ever be a high-end starter though. I don't think DE is the spot to focus on here (or possibly at all, in this draft), but if we look later, a guy like Crosby, Ximines or Joe Jackson probably makes the most sense. Expand Based on the depth of the draft I think youre on it. We need someone to develop but I like the 2nd 4th we have to pick Crosby. I want the next 3 to be offense with a tackle and TE
ColoradoBills Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 2:55 PM, Logic said: I said this last night, but I think Bills fans need to prepare for the very real possibility that the 2nd round pick is spent on a DB.They had Juan Thornhill and Chauncey Gardner-Johnson both in for visits. They also love Rock Ya-Sin and Byron Murphy. McDermott wants to run the Big Nickel with someone better and more dangerous than Rafael Bush. Don't be shocked to hear a defensive back's name called tonight. Expand Bills also had Taylor, Metcalf, Brown, Samuels and Little in for visits. Occum's Razor Logic. Daboll will sit next to Beane and say "Oliver was a great pic for the DEFENSE". It's going to be an Offensive player at #40. I will be shocked if it isn't. Gruden loves Drew Lock and he doesn't pick again until the 4th. I can't see Gruden not picking a QB and he realistically cant wait 71 picks on Lock IMO. It also may be a trade up spot for Beane and Gruden. The Bills pick is before any secondary QB needy teams (DEN, CIN, MIA, and NE).
DCOrange Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 5:14 PM, MrEpsYtown said: I know everybody hates walter football, but Charlie did better than all the experts. Expand I'm fairly certain that this year's mock will end up being the best, which would make him #1 two of the past three years, and Walter was like #2 or #3 the one year that Charlie wasn't the best. Their website is an atrocity to read and Walter is a terrible person, but Charlie Campbell has some serious connections in the NFL. 1
PolishDave Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 5:10 PM, lookylookyherecomescookie said: fair enough, but if they don't value OL highly, we're screwed Expand Agreed. And based on their moves albeit just the last couple years, there is no evidence to suggest they place premium value on offensive linemen. Seems their opinion of them is closer to the mindset that they are "a dime a dozen". And perhaps it is more about the coaching and player fit more so than individual player talent. You might think so based on the production that Greg Roman was able to squeeze out of his offensive line while he was here. All I know is that regardless of how much talent Josh Allen has or any of the other offensive weapons, if the offensive line sucks, the offense will suck. Shady (who is generally accepted as being an above average runner) failed behind last year's line. And Allen spent too much time running from linemen instead of picking apart secondaries from the pocket. 1
frostbitmic Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 Round 2 - Dalton Risner - G/T - Kansas St Round 3 - Trde up for a second 3rd round pick ...Oliver the TE and Anthony Johnson - WR - UB
qwksilver Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 It would be great if we end up with 3 picks to night. So much value to be had. I'd like to see Butler, Sanders, Risner or Taylor, Irv Smith. Like I said so much value tonight. How can we get 4 picks tonight? 1
100DollarBills Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 5:45 PM, qwksilver said: It would be great if we end up with 3 picks to night. So much value to be had. I'd like to see Butler, Sanders, Risner or Taylor, Irv Smith. Like I said so much value tonight. How can we get 4 picks tonight? Expand I’d like for us to trade away both our round 4 picks and our 5ths to have a total of 3 picks in the second round, if that isn’t enough, throw in a 2020 3rd. 1
glazeduck Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 5:15 PM, YattaOkasan said: Based on the depth of the draft I think youre on it. We need someone to develop but I like the 2nd 4th we have to pick Crosby. I want the next 3 to be offense with a tackle and TE Expand If I had my way, we'd wait on TE and OT... Take your alpha WR at 2 (DK, Butler, AJB in that order), get a TE at 3 (Sternberger, Oliver, Knox, Walling) and then you can take a developmental T (Edwards) and DE in the 4th. Or for that matter, trade one of the 4s and maybe a 2020 3 or 4 for Solomon Thomas -- I like that solution even better.
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