Bills 2019 NFL Draft: Buffalo Bills are taking D.K. Metcalf, says SI’s Gary Gramling

[NewEra]

17 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

What people, where?

 

A guy who is a top prospect talent doesn't have to be can't miss.

 

Josh Allen and Edmunds we're highly touted talents.

Neither one was regarded as can't miss 

 

 

Google......don’t act as if Gary isn’t listed in MANY mock drafts being drafted before Metcalf.  

 

I shouldn't have said “can’t miss”.  It’s widely regarded that Bosa, Quinnen, Josh Allen are the cream of this draft crop.  Devin White is next in line as BPA.  Murray is a QB.  Oliver is probably next in line talent wise but even he’s not a lock for the top 10.  Jawaan Taylor, Hockenson up next?  Both solid prospects but if we’re talking about a stud 6’3 230 4.3 40 WR, wouldn’t he be over them is most cases?  What stud WRs do the jags and lions have?  Both could absolutely use a guy like DK, but I haven’t seen anyone mock him at 7-8.  

 

My point being, if he was THAT special, everyone would be mocking him higher than they are.  I’ve seen some mocks with him in the 2nd rd.  Why?  Questionable hands and agility, broken neck, injuries, limited route tree, 

 

he has more than a couple cons.  Very serious cons that make him a huge risk at 9.

15 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I am still hoping Oliver is there at nine. If they want DK, I would try and trade up from the second and get him in the twenties if he is there.

Agreed

[section122]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Ward was a definite 1st rounder. He was in most people's 2nd batch of players (after the QBs and Chubb, Nelson, Barkley) and the consensus was he was in play anywhere from #8 with Chicago through to about #20 and Dallas. That said he did go earlier than people expected at #4.

 

I stumbled across this when doing the board mock draft.  It is a compilation of released big boards.  

 

Not saying wrong or right but Metcalf falls in at the 13th highest average (15.5).  Sounds like what you are describing with Ward.

[Reed83HOF]

23 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

And that's a totally fair thing to say.

Some people want the high ceiling some want the higher floor.

I think you and I agree on dk as a talent, just disagree with what we want at #9

 

 

 

That is correct. 

[NewEra]

37 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Yes.

We have people calling him garbage though and acting like he's not a possible talent.

I haven’t seen anyone call him garbage.  I think he’s a garbage pick @9, but is a great talent with lots of question marks.  Number 1 being the ability to actually step on the field every Sunday.

[H2o]

1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:

You mean like Robert Foster.

Foster never got on the field much. Gary has been on the field starting for 3 years and hasn't done squat. Foster was also a UDFA. We found a gem. You can't honestly be comparing him with a guy they are putting in the 1st Round convo? 

[SouthNYfan]

26 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Per the bold text, this simply isn’t true. Johnson could run the entire route tree. He was equally as effective running nines or routes requiring quick separation. 

 

Just no.

 

23 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:

 This is just not true.  The Lions never asked him to run double move routes.  The information is out there on CJ's career if you care to look at it.  He excelled at a few routes and that's how the Lions used him.  Technically every wide receive "could run the entire route tree".  The issue is can they do it well.  They Lions decided to use CJ a certain way and allowed him to excel at certain routes.  They never asked him to run poco or copo for instance.  

 

This.

 

22 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think anyone here is denying that DK has talent.  Picking him at 9 is another story.  If we trade back and get him at 20ish, I’ll be ok with it.  He’s just a terrible pick at 9 imo.  

 

I think it's still debatable at #9 but I don't disagree that people would rather him at 17-22 or so either.

 

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I haven’t seen anyone call him garbage.  I think he’s a garbage pick @9, but is a great talent with lots of question marks.  Number 1 being the ability to actually step on the field every Sunday.

 

That's very valid.

I'll not even going crazy advocating for dk @$9

I'm good with Oliver, hock, or him at 9.

I also get why people might want him a bit later.

I don't get the people who think he's trash, so I'm sorry if I lumped you in with them.

[frostbitmic]

There are a lot of quality WR's in this years draft and drafting any at #9 seems too soon. Landing Johnson from UB in the 3rd or 4th sounds like better choice to me.

 

There are a few blue chip DL men and l would rather see them go with Oliver over a WR.

 

Oliver

Sweat

Hockenson

Metcalf

 

Would be my personal order after the Quinnen Williams and Josh Allens are gone.

[SouthNYfan]

Just now, frostbitmic said:

There are a lot of quality WR's in this years draft and drafting any at #9 seems too soon. Landing Johnson from UB in the 3rd or 4th sounds like better choice to me.

 

There are a few blue chip DL men and l would rather see them go with Oliver over a WR.

 

Oliver

Sweat

Hockenson

Metcalf

 

Would be my personal order after the Quinnen Williams and Josh Allens are gone.

 

I don't like sweat for some reason, and I can't even tell you why lol

 

It's irrational but it's true.

[PIZ]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

The main reason I don’t see them taking him this high is simply because I don’t believe they place this type of value on the WR position. We just haven’t seen it from them. I will say they’ve shown a propensity to try to model this team after the Panthers. If they do that they are going to go TE, 3 tech or LB. from there -  i just feel that at TE a guy like Hock isn’t going to be the top guy on their board at 9. I think the TE comes in round 2-3. 

 

It definitely seemed that way in 2018, BUT it also appeared that they realized their mistake half way through the year, and then they were scrambling the rest of the year to find WRs with speed that could play.  Also, signing 2 free agent WRs showed that they realized they under-emphasized the WR position.  Who knows?

 

 

[billspro]

I hope he is correct

[Toesy]

IMO these articles are somewhat clickbait as nobody really knows how this draft will play out-I read a mock draft today (Walter Football) where Devin White is there at #9. Maybe the Bills would take White-lots of posters here say he is BPA.

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

I don't like sweat for some reason, and I can't even tell you why lol

 

It's irrational but it's true.

I’m with you.  Seems so stiff.

[billspro]

6 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

There are a lot of quality WR's in this years draft and drafting any at #9 seems too soon. Landing Johnson from UB in the 3rd or 4th sounds like better choice to me.

 

There are a few blue chip DL men and l would rather see them go with Oliver over a WR.

 

Oliver

Sweat

Hockenson

Metcalf

 

Would be my personal order after the Quinnen Williams and Josh Allens are gone.

 

For me it comes down to Oliver, Metcalf, Taylor, and Hockenson. I don’t think Sweat is a legitimate option, he will probably be drafted in the teens. I think there is a chance we draft White too but I don’t think he falls to us. Oliver and Metcalf are both blue chip prospects, I would be happy with either. 

Edited April 17, 2019 by billspro

[Reed83HOF]

5 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

I don't like sweat for some reason, and I can't even tell you why lol

 

It's irrational but it's true.

I wonder why

 

[formerlyofCtown]

Just now, H2o said:

Foster never got on the field much. Gary has been on the field starting for 3 years and hasn't done squat. Foster was also a UDFA. We found a gem. You can't honestly be comparing him with a guy they are putting in the 1st Round convo? 

Have you asked yourself why he couldnt get on the field.  Was it maybe because he underperformed.  Just like he did when he started out here.  Good coaching got him to flip the switch.  I havent watched any film on Gary that is why you will notice my opinions are nuetral.  Foster was a five star recruit that underperformed in college.  So that is where the comparison came in.  Its possible that better coaching could get Gary to play at the level he should if he has truly underperformed.  Foster should have been a first round pick but no one had an all seeing eye and neither do you and I. You draft players off talent.  Sometimes teams feel they can coach that talent sometimes they dont.  That is why they meet with the prospects.  To find out if they are coachable and what kind of person they are.

[Solomon Grundy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ed Oliver sit out games last year. I remember him saying his knee was injured but was jumping in air catching passes before the game he sat out.

[Cornette's Commentary]

1 minute ago, billspro said:

I hope he is correct

You like mediocre defenses, don't you?

[Reed83HOF]

3 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

 Oliver and Metcalf are both blue chip prospects, I would be happy with either. 

Metcalf is not a blue chip prospect though.

 

Blue is elite, low risk, provide immediate impact, have proven skills and not reliant on untapped potential that may or may not be there. They are high ceiling and high floor players; that is not DK

[KOKBILLS]

9 hours ago, HOUSE said:

AP

(AP Photo/Thomas Graning)

 

By Ryan Talbot | rtalbot@nyup.com

Draft season never disappoints when it comes to trying to figure out which prospect is most coveted by NFL teams.

When it comes to the Buffalo Bills, a few names have been thrown out ahead of the 2019 NFL Draft. NFL.com’s Daniel Jeremiah recently said that Alabama offensive tackle Jonah Williams was somebody to watch at No. 9. Williams’ name gained steam when draft analyst Tony Pauline said it was a “three-horse race” for the Bills with Williams in contention with Houston defensive tackle Ed Oliver and Washington State offensive tackle Andre Dillard.

While all three players are legitimate options, Sports Illustrated’s Gary Gramling added a fourth name to the mix: Ole Miss WR D.K. Metcalf. In a recent MMQB Podcast, Gramling was doing a mock draft along with Andy Benoit when he made an interesting statement ahead of making his pick for Buffalo.

“We are on to the Buffalo Bills. And I just want to say before we start, the Bills are taking D.K. Metcalf in the real draft. That’s all. That’s all I want to say.”

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/04/2019-nfl-draft-buffalo-bills-are-taking-dk-metcalf-says-sis-gary-gramling.html

 

Well...

 

That would make me a very, very happy Bills Fan...

 

I totally get why DK scares some...I really do...But with Metcalf you are getting a player that, if developed properly, could be the best at his position in the entire league in 2-3 years...

 

Look at what the Bills did with Robert Foster in less than a full Season...DK's upside is limitless...Who is going to want to cover this guy?...Big, powerful, under 4.4 speed, can jump through the roof and pluck it, can be VERY physical if he needs to, or just flat out run by you and your 10 yd cushion...Plus he's just a baby...He's no where even close to be a finished product yet...He's barely scratched the surface...

 

I've been all in on DK since long before the Combine...I would take him at #1 overall if I had that pick...It's absolutely a gamble...But if it pays off you're going to have a top 3 NFL WR...When Joe Mario was doing his ceiling/floor recently he set Metcalf's floor at Braylon Edwards, but his ceiling? Calvin Johnson...I'm taking that chance...?

[Reed83HOF]

 

 

Edited April 17, 2019 by Reed83HOF

[ColoradoBills]

21 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

I stumbled across this when doing the board mock draft.  It is a compilation of released big boards.  

 

Not saying wrong or right but Metcalf falls in at the 13th highest average (15.5).  Sounds like what you are describing with Ward.

 

Thanks section122!  I've been waiting for something like this.

I'm a passive college football fan BUT like everyone else I like "guessing" about the draft.

This info is great.

 

If anyone else has site(s) like this please by all means post them.

[K-9]

12 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Just no.

Bucky Brooks disagrees. Pay close attention to the bold text. Comparisons of Metcalf to Calvin Johnson coming out are absurd. But if that’s what people need to reassure themselves about Metcalf’s question marks coming out, so be it. 

 

 

Quote

 

1. Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech

 

Drafted: Second overall, 2007, Detroit Lions

There aren't enough adjectives to describe Megatron's rare combination of talents as a super-sized WR1 in the college game.

The 6-foot-5, 235-pound pass-catcher overpowered defenders in the ACC as a three-time all-conference performer with exceptional size, speed and leaping ability. Johnson blew past defenders on vertical routes, displaying outstanding acceleration and burst, but also created separation on short and intermediate routes as a "speed-cut" route runner. The 2006 Biletnikoff Award winner (top CFB WR) finished his collegiate career with 178 receptions for 2,927 receiving yards and 28 touchdowns in just 38 games. With Johnson also showing off world-class athletic traits at the NFL Scouting Combine(4.35-second 40-yard dash, 42.5-inch vertical jump and 11-foot-7-inch broad jump), it's not a surprise many scouts rated Johnson as the No. 1 prospect in his class.

The six-time Pro Bowl selectee definitely played the part as the Detroit Lions' WR1 on the way to amassing 731 receptions for 11,619 yards and 83 touchdowns in a spectacular nine-year career. Considering Johnson also shattered the single-season receiving yards mark (1,964) in 2012 and changed the way scouts view big-bodied receivers on the perimeter, I believe Megatron deserves the top spot on this list as a revolutionary player.

 

 

 

 

 

[SouthNYfan]

11 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Bucky Brooks disagrees. Pay close attention to the bold text. Comparisons of Metcalf to Calvin Johnson coming out are absurd. But if that’s what people need to reassure themselves about Metcalf’s question marks coming out, so be it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where in that does it say he can run an entire route tree?

 

This is Megatron's career route tree and %s run.

Feel free to watch Brett kollmans video on how they compare.

Edited April 17, 2019 by SouthNYfan
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[mannc]

7 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

Based on this, I am now fully convinced that Metcalf goes top 10 and Oliver will be the Falcons’ pick.

[Cornette's Commentary]

15 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

Well...

 

That would make me a very, very happy Bills Fan...

 

I totally get why DK scares some...I really do...But with Metcalf you are getting a player that, if developed properly, could be the best at his position in the entire league in 2-3 years...

 

Look at what the Bills did with Robert Foster in less than a full Season...DK's upside is limitless...Who is going to want to cover this guy?...Big, powerful, under 4.4 speed, can jump through the roof and pluck it, can be VERY physical if he needs to, or just flat out run by you and your 10 yd cushion...Plus he's just a baby...He's no where even close to be a finished product yet...He's barely scratched the surface...

 

I've been all in on DK since long before the Combine...I would take him at #1 overall if I had that pick...It's absolutely a gamble...But if it pays off you're going to have a top 3 NFL WR...When Joe Mario was doing his ceiling/floor recently he set Metcalf's floor at Braylon Edwards, but his ceiling? Calvin Johnson...I'm taking that chance...?

Please tell me your plans for replacing Kyle and finding someone to rush the QB opposite Hughes.

[K-9]

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Where in that does it say he can run an entire route tree?

Did you miss the part about creating separation on short and intermediate routes as a “speed cut” runner? If you don’t think running short and intermediate quick routes, IN ADDITION TO  running 9s, doesn’t mean the bulk of route tree, then you’re just being obtuse and it’s not worth the discussion. 

 

I like Metcalf as a prospect, but he’s no Calvin Johnson coming out. However,  if you want to find me a scouting report that ALSO mentions Metcalf’s ability to run quick cut routes in addition to goes and slants, I’d be happy to read it. 

[frostbitmic]

24 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

For me it comes down to Oliver, Metcalf, Taylor, and Hockenson. I don’t think Sweat is a legitimate option, he will probably be drafted in the teens. I think there is a chance we draft White too but I don’t think he falls to us. Oliver and Metcalf are both blue chip prospects, I would be happy with either. 

I don't think that either White or Taylor fall to #9.

Going with Hockenson would make sense as there only seems to be 2 or 3 top flight TE's in the draft and jumping on one early could be a plan. I'd still take Oliver over any TE though.

[John from Riverside]

I would not be thrilled with this pick........but a lot would have to do with how they went about it and who was on the board at the time.......

 

 

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

Did you miss the part about creating separation on short and intermediate routes as a “speed cut” runner? If you don’t think running short and intermediate quick routes, IN ADDITION TO  running 9s, doesn’t mean the bulk of route tree, then you’re just being obtuse and it’s not worth the discussion. 

 

I like Metcalf as a prospect, but he’s no Calvin Johnson coming out. However,  if you want to find me a scouting report that ALSO mentions Metcalf’s ability to run quick cut routes in addition to goes and slants, I’d be happy to read it. 

 

Watch Brett kollmans video

That's his entire career routes

A curl and slant cab be short and intermediate.

 

[billspro]

25 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

You like mediocre defenses, don't you?

 

We were second in the NFL last year. Offence is more important. 

[Cornette's Commentary]

Just now, billspro said:

 

We were second in the NFL last year. Offence is more important. 

Where did we finish in sacks?  How was the run defense?

[billspro]

1 minute ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

Where did we finish in sacks?  How was the run defense?

 

The run defence was fine. We can work on the sacks later in the draft with a rotational guy.

[Cornette's Commentary]

Just now, billspro said:

 

The run defence was fine. We can work on the sacks later in the draft with a rotational guy.

1.) The run defense was not fine.  Did you watch the Colts game where Marlon Mack ran wild, or the Jags game where Fournette gashed the defense, until he lost his mind and got ejected?

2.) So, you want them to wait until the 5th to 7th round to pick up some "project" DE that they hope can turn into the next Khalil Mack?  Who might that player be, if I may ask?

[Solomon Grundy]

11 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Did you miss the part about creating separation on short and intermediate routes as a “speed cut” runner? If you don’t think running short and intermediate quick routes, IN ADDITION TO  running 9s, doesn’t mean the bulk of route tree, then you’re just being obtuse and it’s not worth the discussion. 

 

I like Metcalf as a prospect, but he’s no Calvin Johnson coming out. However,  if you want to find me a scouting report that ALSO mentions Metcalf’s ability to run quick cut routes in addition to goes and slants, I’d be happy to read it. 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/d-k-metcalf

[Formerly Allan in MD]

A lot of posters apparently into abs.  Now let's be logical and get a stud OT and a defensive lineman in the first two rounds.  If we trade down, throw in a tight end.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

1.) The run defense was not fine.  Did you watch the Colts game where Marlon Mack ran wild, or the Jags game where Fournette gashed the defense, until he lost his mind and got ejected?

2.) So, you want them to wait until the 5th to 7th round to pick up some "project" DE that they hope can turn into the next Khalil Mack?  Who might that player be, if I may ask?

Maybe Kyle Williams ?

[thebandit27]

Just now, Cornette's Commentary said:

1.) The run defense was not fine.  Did you watch the Colts game where Marlon Mack ran wild, or the Jags game where Fournette gashed the defense, until he lost his mind and got ejected?

2.) So, you want them to wait until the 5th to 7th round to pick up some "project" DE that they hope can turn into the next Khalil Mack?  Who might that player be, if I may ask?

 

Relax man.

 

Your error isn't in wanting a better pass rush or a better run D; your error is thinking that the team should be prioritizing need with the No. 9 overall pick.

 

Draft for value, not need.  If you don't have a franchise QB, then you draft one.  After that, take the best player at a key position like WR, pass rusher, cover corner, and--maybe to a lesser extent--LT.  When you draft for need, you usually do so by forgoing better value.  That's a fool's errand.

[Reed83HOF]

9 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

We were second in the NFL last year. Offence is more important. 

BPA. BPA at 9 (or higher) is mostly DL

[KOKBILLS]

6 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Bucky Brooks disagrees. Pay close attention to the bold text. Comparisons of Metcalf to Calvin Johnson coming out are absurd. But if that’s what people need to reassure themselves about Metcalf’s question marks coming out, so be it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well...I could really care less what anyone says...I'll trust my eyes anyday...I watched every single play of Pat Mahomes College career, told everyone who would listen he should go #1 overall..Many, many, many NFL scouts and pundits disagreed with me...Who cares? I trust what I see...

 

What I see with DK is not something you are ever going to gather by looking at a stat sheet or route chart...He's a Red Shirt Soph...He had to push his way into a STACKED Depth chart...He had to play a role with average to less QB play...And yes he got hurt...

 

But on the field just watch the kid and what he can do already at this VERY early time in his development...He EATS the cushion in what seems like 2 steps...He is REAL physical but has the potential to be more physical with seasoning...He has the type of physical package to be the best Run blocking WR in the league..He can be nasty when he want to be...He does not make the same mistake twice...He understands how to use his body and set up CB's even this early...He'll get WAY better at it...And physically he, like Edwards and Allen last year, is not only top of his class but in elite company in the entire league...Plus the kid is a real hard worker and a good citizen...

 

There are plenty of ways it could go wrong with DK, but football people do not think that way as much as many think...They look at the upside and say "we can get him there." I don't think the Megatron comparisons are really that out-of-line, though I totally understand Johnson was a better prospect coming out...But their College careers were apples to oranges...And there's no telling what DK could have done in a different situation or Offense...

 

 

1 minute ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

Please tell me your plans for replacing Kyle and finding someone to rush the QB opposite Hughes.

 

What does that matter? Beane has told you a million times already he's not going to Draft for need...The Bills are not a SB contending team yet...They are young and developing...If they think DK is the best player it's done deal...regardless of what they need...They will look to add later on...Not saying that will work...Just saying...Beane said it in his Presser the other day...They do not feel thay have a glaring hole, they will take the best player regardless...He even said he knew some people may be surprised with the pick but he's telling us now what they are going to do...

 

The only players that really matter need-wise will more than likely be gone before the Bills pick...It's really not that hard to believe the Bills will prefer DK to Brian Burns, Ed Oliver, and one of the TE's...It's really not...Now...If they take DK ahead of Q Williams or Bosa then sure...You have a legit point...

[frostbitmic]

I understand how crazily exciting 6-3 games are but if you're up by a couple of TD's teams seem to run less on you.