Full Intelligent Breakdown of DK Metcalf

[FeelingOnYouboty]

D.K. Metcalf is this year's Josh Allen. Most of the board wants nothing to do with him, inconsistent college career with average production but has all the measurables that NFL guys love. 

 

We will talk ourselves into Metcalf as soon as the pick is announced if we do take him.

 

[SouthNYfan]

52 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

D.K. Metcalf is this year's Josh Allen. Most of the board wants nothing to do with him, inconsistent college career with average production but has all the measurables that NFL guys love. 

 

We will talk ourselves into Metcalf as soon as the pick is announced if we do take him.

 

 

Yep.

Exactly.

 

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

I don’t want a receiver where I’m nervous about his hands before he’s even on the team...I prefer the safer bet in Hockenson...therefore I’m a “no” on the idea of Metcalf and Fant.

 

Agree totally on passing on WRs with suspect hands in the first round.  I love Hock, but any TE is a tough sell at 9 (to me anyway).  I’d love a stud DE or DT.  

1 hour ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

D.K. Metcalf is this year's Josh Allen. Most of the board wants nothing to do with him, inconsistent college career with average production but has all the measurables that NFL guys love. 

 

We will talk ourselves into Metcalf as soon as the pick is announced if we do take him.

 

 

Most will.  Those of us rooting for him, but tempering early expectations of greatness with reminders that it hasn’t happened yet will be blasted. 

[eball]

2 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

D.K. Metcalf is this year's Josh Allen. Most of the board wants nothing to do with him, inconsistent college career with average production but has all the measurables that NFL guys love. 

 

We will talk ourselves into Metcalf as soon as the pick is announced if we do take him.

 

 

LOL good post.  Such is life as a fan.

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

D.K. Metcalf is this year's Josh Allen. Most of the board wants nothing to do with him, inconsistent college career with average production but has all the measurables that NFL guys love. 

 

We will talk ourselves into Metcalf as soon as the pick is announced if we do take him.

 

Good comparison.  I feel I have to be consistent though and I wasn’t a big fan of Allen and I’m not a big fan of Metcalf.  I sincerely hope they prove me wrong but I think there are going to be better all around receivers available later.  People love the parts of Metcalf that aren’t what makes a great receivers, 

 

and this regime hasn’t exactly killed it with their receiver pickups. 

[glazeduck]

2 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

D.K. Metcalf is this year's Josh Allen. Most of the board wants nothing to do with him, inconsistent college career with average production but has all the measurables that NFL guys love. 

 

We will talk ourselves into Metcalf as soon as the pick is announced if we do take him.

 

Comparisons to Allen go beyond that... Allen was not a "play it safe" pick -- that would've been Rosen. Allen was a "taking a shot at greatness" pick. Same goes for DK. 

 

I said in another thread (or maybe earlier in this one, can't remember) I want, and think Bills fans deserve, a team of greatness, not really goodness. It feels to me like that's what the front office is looking for, to build something special. THAT, more than anything else, is why I'm on the DK train. Let's do something special for once... 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

D.K. Metcalf is this year's Josh Allen. Most of the board wants nothing to do with him, inconsistent college career with average production but has all the measurables that NFL guys love. 

 

We will talk ourselves into Metcalf as soon as the pick is announced if we do take him.

 

Yes he's ripped.  Yes he's a physical specimen.  He can lift 1000lbs. But is he David Boston? I was hoping for more quickness.  Better route tree running from his tape. I would only consider Metcalf if Oliver & Hock are gone.

[Solomon Grundy]

7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Yes he's ripped.  Yes he's a physical specimen.  He can lift 1000lbs. But is he David Boston? I was hoping for more quickness.  Better route tree running from his tape. I would only consider Metcalf if Oliver & Hock are gone.

You can't see him run "the route tree" on tape if the Ole Miss coaches only had him run posts, fly and quick outs. Maybe his role on the team was to run those routes to open the middle up for AJ Brown/Dawson Knox. Maybe he was so good running such routes that the coaching staff wanted to take advantage of the talent. If you go back and watch his pro day, he ran the routes asked of him pretty crisp. I love the Josh Allen analogy made earlier. You can see the talent and work ethic, now go harness it

[SouthNYfan]

7 minutes ago, the skycap said:

You can't see him run "the route tree" on tape if the Ole Miss coaches only had him run posts, fly and quick outs. Maybe his role on the team was to run those routes to open the middle up for AJ Brown/Dawson Knox. Maybe he was so good running such routes that the coaching staff wanted to take advantage of the talent. If you go back and watch his pro day, he ran the routes asked of him pretty crisp. I love the Josh Allen analogy made earlier. You can see the talent and work ethic, now go harness it

 

Yeah I called him this year's Josh Allen in a different dk thread the other day also.

Allen and Edmunds were boom-bust homerun swings.

That's what dk is.

Will beane and co go for another home run swing, or do they go for the slap-single this year?

I think first round picks need to be home run swings on big talent, later rounds go safe imo

[C.Biscuit97]

13 minutes ago, the skycap said:

You can't see him run "the route tree" on tape if the Ole Miss coaches only had him run posts, fly and quick outs. Maybe his role on the team was to run those routes to open the middle up for AJ Brown/Dawson Knox. Maybe he was so good running such routes that the coaching staff wanted to take advantage of the talent. If you go back and watch his pro day, he ran the routes asked of him pretty crisp. I love the Josh Allen analogy made earlier. You can see the talent and work ethic, now go harness it

Honest question.  How many college receivers, who weren’t the number 1 receiver on their college team and never had more than 700 yards in any season, have ever gone top 10?  This really won’t worry you?  

 

Hes a better athlete than receiver.  In a way, it’s like taking a track guy and hoping he learns how to be a nfl receiver.  It can happen but it’s risky. 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Honest question.  How many college receivers, who weren’t the number 1 receiver on their college team and never had more than 700 yards in any season, have ever gone top 10?  This really won’t worry you?  

 

Hes a better athlete than receiver.  In a way, it’s like taking a track guy and hoping he learns how to be a nfl receiver.  It can happen but it’s risky. 

"Skeets" Nehemiah, Cliff Branch, Willie Anderson were all track guys

Edited April 10, 2019 by the skycap

[SouthNYfan]

52 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Honest question.  How many college receivers, who weren’t the number 1 receiver on their college team and never had more than 700 yards in any season, have ever gone top 10?  This really won’t worry you?  

 

Hes a better athlete than receiver.  In a way, it’s like taking a track guy and hoping he learns how to be a nfl receiver.  It can happen but it’s risky. 

 

Well he did have some injuries, which is a risk.

The video also goes deep into why he "wasn't the number 1" on his team.

Statistics aren't everything.

Juju had better statistics than brown last season.

No GM or coach in the NFL would say juju is better than brown.

[Solomon Grundy]

56 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Honest question.  How many college receivers, who weren’t the number 1 receiver on their college team and never had more than 700 yards in any season, have ever gone top 10?  This really won’t worry you?  

 

Hes a better athlete than receiver.  In a way, it’s like taking a track guy and hoping he learns how to be a nfl receiver.  It can happen but it’s risky. 

Like Youboty said, same as Josh Allen. Josh didn't throw 50 TDs. Didn't throw for 3,000 yds, yet he went top 10 because of the talent and upside

Edited April 10, 2019 by the skycap

[glazeduck]

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Well he did have some injuries, which is a risk.

The video also goes deep into why he "wasn't the number 1" on his team.

Statistics aren't everything.

Juju had better statistics than brown last season.

No GM or coach in the NFL would say juju is better than brown.

Too much logic in here, please knock that off!!!

 

There's also the point to be made that DK is just different and fits a need that we have (whereas, Brown does not). Regardless of where he was on the pecking order at Ole Miss, AJ Brown would duplicate Beasley and Zay in too many ways for it to make sense. Buffalo has no one who can do what DK can.

[ndirish1978]

Production is scary but not always an indicator of success. Zay was ridiculously productive in college against inferior opponents, but he drops more passes than I'd like. Metcalf has elite physical traits that make him stand out in this class of pretty decent receivers. That said, I think the lack of production adds an added measure of uncertainty to drafting DK, which is why I'd prefer taking one of the DL prospects.

[transplantbillsfan]

Thank you for posting this!!!

 

Metcalf or Hockenson are the 2 guys I want the most, whether by trading down or staying at 9.

 

This draft is so defense heavy we can get a really good defensive player in the 2nd or via trading back into the 1st round, which I think is a real possibility.

[DCOrange]

From today's Albert Breer article:

I wouldn’t want to fight D.K. Metcalf or race him, but I can’t find many teams that like him nearly enough to take him in the first round. Nor do I think there are many good options at the wide receiver position, period.

https://amp.si.com/nfl/2019/04/11/nfl-cba-collective-bargaining-agreement-nflpa-jerry-jones-minneapolis?__twitter_impression=true

[Solomon Grundy]

44 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

From today's Albert Breer article:

 

 

https://amp.si.com/nfl/2019/04/11/nfl-cba-collective-bargaining-agreement-nflpa-jerry-jones-minneapolis?__twitter_impression=true

This is the "fake news" time of the scouting season

[One Buffalo]

 

[WMDman]

Welp guess we’re drafting DK...

[Chicken Boo]

58 minutes ago, One Buffalo said:

 

 

Yes sir!

 

I feel like I was robbed of seeing Farve to Moss in 2007. (Thanks, Ted Thompson, you idiot!)

 

Allen to DK would be a nice consulation prize, being that they would be playing for my favorite team.  

 

Sparks, I tell ya!

Edited April 11, 2019 by Chicken Boo

[DCOrange]

Where is that picture even from? It doesn't look like DK posted it on his social media accounts

[The Wiz]

35 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Where is that picture even from? It doesn't look like DK posted it on his social media accounts

Probably the same place the Josh Allen racist tweets came from.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, DCOrange said:

Where is that picture even from? It doesn't look like DK posted it on his social media accounts

It's shows from Twitter. Maybe took it during his visit. Looks like inside hotel room

[DCOrange]

21 minutes ago, the skycap said:

It's shows from Twitter. Maybe took it during his visit. Looks like inside hotel room

That BuffFanatics post is from Twitter but I don't see anything on Twitter or Instagram from Metcalf with that picture in it. I might be wrong and just haven't found it though.

 

At any rate, probably doesn't mean anything beyond him getting a shirt from the team when he visited.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

..interestingly Jack DelRio said on NFLN (FWIW) that he sees Metcalf's physique/work out warrior status overshadowing his actual abilities as a top WR...yes?..no?...maybe?......

[glazeduck]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

..interestingly Jack DelRio said on NFLN (FWIW) that he sees Metcalf's physique/work out warrior status overshadowing his actual abilities as a top WR...yes?..no?...maybe?......

I think you can make that argument -- certainly ONE OF the top WRs. There's a lot of ways to play WR -- not everyone needs to be Desean Jackson fast or run Antonio Brown type routes...

 

When you watch DK's tape a few things stand out:

1. He's extremely difficult to press and is a great hand fighter -- that creates separation

2. His mass + explosion creates a "snowball rolling downhill" effect very quickly, so he's hard to move off his route -- when you're where your QB needs you to be, when he needs you to be there, you don't have to have as much separation (+added bonus of playmaking ability with the ball in his hands)

3. His routes and short area quickness are far from perfect, but his size, strength and general size make him a bear fir defenders to have to work through. If he gets his face across the defender's, he's got him beat, end of story -- that's also separation

4. He's got an enormous catch radius -- that can also create separation both laterally and vertically 

5. The concern about his lack of production -- for me -- isn't the lack of production, in itself at all, but rather the inability to have enough game tape to see him play and react to different situations... From the small sample size that there is though, it appears that he's also a very smart, focused and competitive WR. You can see him set up his man mid-route, you see catches that only the most gifted AND focused of players can make, and I don't think I saw one ball thrown his way that he didn't give 110% for.

6. On top of all of that, he can definitely be an effective run blocker, when he wants to be.

 

Cards on the table, I've fully talked myself into DK at this point, and (as has been said many, many times) no question he comes with some uncertainty... But at 9 -- barring Quinnen Williams falling far enough to be gettable -- and with the positive momentum this franchise has going for it, I think hitting on the highest ceiling player in the draft is too exciting of a prospect to pass on. If he's healthy, that is!!!

Edited April 11, 2019 by glazeduck

[NewEraBills]

32 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

I think you can make that argument -- certainly ONE OF the top WRs. There's a lot of ways to play WR -- not everyone needs to be Desean Jackson fast or run Antonio Brown type routes...

 

When you watch DK's tape a few things stand out:

1. He's extremely difficult to press and is a great hand fighter -- that creates separation

2. His mass + explosion creates a "snowball rolling downhill" effect very quickly, so he's hard to move off his route -- when you're where your QB needs you to be, when he needs you to be there, you don't have to have as much separation (+added bonus of playmaking ability with the ball in his hands)

3. His routes and short area quickness are far from perfect, but his size, strength and general size make him a bear fir defenders to have to work through. If he gets his face across the defender's, he's got him beat, end of story -- that's also separation

4. He's got an enormous catch radius -- that can also create separation both laterally and vertically 

5. The concern about his lack of production -- for me -- isn't the lack of production, in itself at all, but rather the inability to have enough game tape to see him play and react to different situations... From the small sample size that there is though, it appears that he's also a very smart, focused and competitive WR. You can see him set up his man mid-route, you see catches that only the most gifted AND focused of players can make, and I don't think I saw one ball thrown his way that he didn't give 110% for.

6. On top of all of that, he can definitely be an effective run blocker, when he wants to be.

 

Cards on the table, I've fully talked myself into DK at this point, and (as has been said many, many times) no question he comes with some uncertainty... But at 9 -- barring Quinnen Williams falling far enough to be gettable -- and with the positive momentum this franchise has going for it, I think hitting on the highest ceiling player in the draft is too exciting of a prospect to pass on. If he's healthy, that is!!!

 

And just to add one more thing;

7)  Currently the Bills have nothing like him.  Metcalf's game is physical and he's an open WR even when he's not open.  That's the type of guy Allen needs.  But alas, as long as we get a top talent whenever we pick I'm not going to be too fussy about whoever it is.  If it is OL, I may have preferred something else but as long as it is a top OL talent then I'm good.  If it is, DT, LB, CB, DE, WR, TE ect.  I certainly have some positions I would be disgusted if we take it at 9 but if we do we do.  I'll come around.

Edited April 12, 2019 by NewEraBills

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, NewEraBills said:

 

And just to add one more thing;

7)  Currently the Bills have nothing like him.  Metcalf's game is physical and he's an open WR even when he's not open.  That's the type of guy Allen needs.  But alas, as long as we get a top talent whenever we pick I'm not going to be too fussy about whoever it is.  If it is OL, I may have preferred something else but as long as it is a top OL talent then I'm good.  If it is, DT, LB, CB, DE, WR, TE ect.  I certainly have some positions I would be disgusted if we take it at 9 but if we do we do.  I'll come around.

Being open when he's not open is the type of WR the Bills thought they were getting when they acquired Kelvin Benjamin.

[Mat68]

2 hours ago, NewEraBills said:

 

And just to add one more thing;

7)  Currently the Bills have nothing like him.  Metcalf's game is physical and he's an open WR even when he's not open.  That's the type of guy Allen needs.  But alas, as long as we get a top talent whenever we pick I'm not going to be too fussy about whoever it is.  If it is OL, I may have preferred something else but as long as it is a top OL talent then I'm good.  If it is, DT, LB, CB, DE, WR, TE ect.  I certainly have some positions I would be disgusted if we take it at 9 but if we do we do.  I'll come around.

This, besides being a redzone threat he can run past anyone on the defense better than Brown or Foster.  

[SouthNYfan]

48 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Being open when he's not open is the type of WR the Bills thought they were getting when they acquired Kelvin Benjamin.

 

The only think KB opens is the front doors to the local golden corral

[billspro]

21 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Thank you for posting this!!!

 

Metcalf or Hockenson are the 2 guys I want the most, whether by trading down or staying at 9.

 

This draft is so defense heavy we can get a really good defensive player in the 2nd or via trading back into the 1st round, which I think is a real possibility.

 

Completely agree. Offence is more important than defence when determining the outcome of a game, especially in the regular season. Defence still matters for championships, but the defence is already good enough. Build the offence.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 hours ago, glazeduck said:

I think you can make that argument -- certainly ONE OF the top WRs. There's a lot of ways to play WR -- not everyone needs to be Desean Jackson fast or run Antonio Brown type routes...

 

When you watch DK's tape a few things stand out:

1. He's extremely difficult to press and is a great hand fighter -- that creates separation

2. His mass + explosion creates a "snowball rolling downhill" effect very quickly, so he's hard to move off his route -- when you're where your QB needs you to be, when he needs you to be there, you don't have to have as much separation (+added bonus of playmaking ability with the ball in his hands)

3. His routes and short area quickness are far from perfect, but his size, strength and general size make him a bear fir defenders to have to work through. If he gets his face across the defender's, he's got him beat, end of story -- that's also separation

4. He's got an enormous catch radius -- that can also create separation both laterally and vertically 

5. The concern about his lack of production -- for me -- isn't the lack of production, in itself at all, but rather the inability to have enough game tape to see him play and react to different situations... From the small sample size that there is though, it appears that he's also a very smart, focused and competitive WR. You can see him set up his man mid-route, you see catches that only the most gifted AND focused of players can make, and I don't think I saw one ball thrown his way that he didn't give 110% for.

6. On top of all of that, he can definitely be an effective run blocker, when he wants to be.

 

Cards on the table, I've fully talked myself into DK at this point, and (as has been said many, many times) no question he comes with some uncertainty... But at 9 -- barring Quinnen Williams falling far enough to be gettable -- and with the positive momentum this franchise has going for it, I think hitting on the highest ceiling player in the draft is too exciting of a prospect to pass on. If he's healthy, that is!!!

 

....good assessment...thanks.....

[DCOrange]

15 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

..interestingly Jack DelRio said on NFLN (FWIW) that he sees Metcalf's physique/work out warrior status overshadowing his actual abilities as a top WR...yes?..no?...maybe?......

 

People kinda came in late to the party and assumed that DK Metcalf blew up after the NFL Combine. The fact of the matter is that he was viewed by many as the #1 WR prospect or close to for most of the year and his draft stock has probably declined since the combine if anything.

[Solomon Grundy]

In Miller’s latest scouting notebook, Metcalf was mentioned as a favorite to land with the Packers or Buffalo Bills based on what he’s currently hearing.

Miller said no league sources he’s spoken with have disregarded the rumors.

“Metcalf’s landing spot is one of the most interesting questions regarding this (draft) class,” he later added.

Then there’s Kiper, who released his latest mock draft earlier this week. Kiper is known for projecting players to teams based on what he’s hearing from league sources rather than how he thinks the board should fall. He had the Packers selecting Metcalf at No. 12 overall in his latest mock, calling him an “out-of-this-world” athlete.