dave mcbride Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t see the fit with Gase. Unless he abandons the Process mentality he had in Miami. He doesn’t like “me” guys. No, he does not. And to a fault. He has a habit of chasing good talent away and not replacing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t see the fit with Gase. Unless he abandons the Process mentality he had in Miami. He doesn’t like “me” guys. I agree on Gase. I keep forgetting they hired him...lol. But still, with Maccagnan retaining control of the 53 man roster and supposedly wanting Bell pretty badly (there’s been lots of rumors about it), I still think they could make him an offer. Maccagnan likes those big name stars, and with how things ended for Gase in Miami, I don’t know if he will be pounding the table that hard against a player of Bell’s caliber immediately after being hired. I know he will have input but He may not be quite comfortable enough to make a strong stand against signing a proven star player like Bell yet. He made sure to be clear after he was hired that he didn’t want control of the 53 man roster this time and that he just wanted to be the coach. Plus, more than anything Gase needs to win games to repair his rep as a head coach, and the Jets need all the talent they can get. You very well may be right though. Gase is about those high character team guys, and I believe Chris Johnson (currently running the jets for Woody) is the same way. I know that he stepped in and vetoed the Su signing when Maccagnan offered him a deal (after Miami cut him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: In two of the games he played this year he either came out very early (first quarter; vs Denver; hamstring) or after one play (Rams; foot). In the 8 full games he played last season, he had 39 catches for 511 yards, which extrapolates to 78 catches for 1,022 yards. Yeah but he’s played in 16 games once in 5 years and that was as a rookie. So factoring in games he started but didn’t finish is fair to his per game assessment as it’s a relevant part of his on field work on a per game basis that he has appeared in. And why are you only trying to pick Chiefs games and not include his time with Rams when it was the most games he played in a single season since he was a rookie? Plus he saw his replacement Brandin Cooks more than double his production in the exact same role with exact same Rams team and offense. My stats were his average production per game started over the last 2 years. You both removed an entire of season or low production and also removed games he started but could not finish. And even with that stat manipulation help, the very best anyone can paint him is basically the same mediocre production as Stevie Johnson put up. Still not close to being worth $16m per season even then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: It is all about the Benjamins. Just saw the Nick Buoniconti show on HBO, and as much as I despise him as a human being, seeing what football and CTE did to him is sobering. I don't blame Bell one bit for saving his body. I don't think he'll get $50M over 2 years, but more power to him for trying. ...said he wants to play for the Colts......would have to catch Irsay at a weak moment for $50 mil......should be a piece of cake....any Monday thru Sunday... Edited February 21, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yeah but he’s played in 16 games once in 5 years and that was as a rookie. So factoring in games he started but didn’t finish is fair to his per game assessment as it’s a relevant part of his on field work on a per game basis that he has appeared in. And why are you only trying to pick Chiefs games and not include his time with Rams when it was the most games he played in a single season since he was a rookie? Plus he saw his replacement Brandin Cooks more than double his production in the exact same role with exact same Rams team and offense. My stats were his average production per game started over the last 2 years. You both removed an entire of season or low production and also removed games he started but could not finish. And even with that stat manipulation help, the very best anyone can paint him is basically the same mediocre production as Stevie Johnson put up. Still not close to being worth $16m per season even then. I'm not trying to justify his body of work; I know he's been hurt too much. I'm just talking about last season--that's all. Honestly, though, I wouldn't be surprised if racks up 1100-1200 yards next year if he stays healthy, although I realize that's a huge if given his track. The talent is there, and it was on display vs. NE in that championship game. He had 114 yards and also picked up another 25-30 or so on a PI. Edited February 21, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I'm not trying to justify his body of work; I know he's been hurt too much. I'm just talking about last season--that's all. Honestly, though, I wouldn't be surprised if racks up 1100-1200 yards next year if he stays healthy, although I realize that's a huge if given his track. The talent is there, and it was on display vs. NE in that championship game. He had 114 yards and also picked up another 25-30 or so on a PI. All good and I know where you are coming from. Ive always been a fan of Sammy, and I have defended him plenty. However, Ive just reached the point where I cant excuse his lack of production anymore. His 2 year combined totals for catches and yards are less than Brandin Cooks put up this year alone for Rams after taking over Sammys role. Sammy: 25 Games started over 2 seasons (Rams then Chiefs). 79 Catches, 1112 yards. Brandin: 16 Games started, 1 season (Rams). 80 Catches 1204 yards. I mean I just cant defend his low production anymore, hes been in the league 5 years. He has talent, he has had some injuries. But he is not making the most of his talent even when healthy. The last dominant stretch of games he had was a 9 game run in 2015. We always blamed the QB, yet he has had Goff and Mahomes but still hasn't reached 600 yards despite one of those seasons he only missed 1 game. And yeah, he had over 100 yards (in a playoff loss) but it was on 4 catches (and took 8 targets). Is he capable of some big gains, sure. But 4 catches for 100 yards has been done countless times by lesser WR's. I want to see sustained production, something he has only achieved over a 9 game stretch one time 4 years ago. I will keep rooting for him, was a fan in college and was a fan since he was in the NFL...but I can no longer defend the lack of production. At $16M a year, you better be a major cog to your team, not the 4th option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Oh so he is planning to retire huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 looks like he will be sitting out another year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Why is half this thread about Sammy Watkins? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, matter2003 said: Nobody is paying this dude that type of money...the RB position just isn't that important. My thoughts exactly. Anyone who pays that for him is beyond crazy. It's not the 1970s anymore. Edited February 22, 2019 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 $50 million in 2 years? Keep dreaming Le'vion. You'd take up so much cap space that your team would never make the playoffs with you on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 It's very telling that the Steelers missed the playoffs without him. He's good enough to put a marginal team in the playoffs and also good enough to push Indy or Houston to the AFC championship. He will be to his next team what Gurley is to the Rams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/20/2019 at 1:00 PM, Captain Hindsight said: I think its going to be lower than he thinks it will be Amen $50MM on a RB is insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, stuvian said: It's very telling that the Steelers missed the playoffs without him. He's good enough to put a marginal team in the playoffs and also good enough to push Indy or Houston to the AFC championship. He will be to his next team what Gurley is to the Rams A guy that mysteriously disappears in the playoffs while his team’s offense sputters to a halt? Edited February 22, 2019 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Im not saying “do it” And I know the Bills won’t. But if the Bills got Bell, I’d be thrilled. Again, not saying do it...just saying, I’ll live with it if it happens. And we will be very good on offense because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Someone is going to over pay and unless he has an elite OL like Pittsburgh, his running style where he hesitates then finds the hole will not mesh well with an average OL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 If we are guessing where he lands, I could see him in KC to replace Kareem Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If we are guessing where he lands, I could see him in KC to replace Kareem Hunt I know “cap space” is overrated, but could they afford him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I can not believe anyone will give him that kind of cash since he just sat a year where he was offered 14 .million. His loyalty is not the team but himself which is not a bad thing except for where it cost 25 million a year. 7 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: I think people thinking Bell wont get 10 mill per year are delusional. Besides being a RB, he also has outstanding ball skills as a WR. He had 80+ catches for 650+ yards the last time he played. That would easily have made him Bills top receiver in catches and yards. If Sammy got 16 mill per year, there is no way Bell makes 10 mill per year. He may not get Gurley money, but he will come close. Additionally, unlike Gurley, he has produced in the post-season at about 130 yds from scrimmage. This guy can be a game changer. An OC can get so creative with a guy like Bell in the backfield. I expect him to get at least 30 mill guaranteed if his conditioning is good and he passes his physical. Did anyone say less than 10 million a year? If the Bills can sign him for 4 years at 40 million i would say do it now. My bet is 4 years about 55 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/20/2019 at 2:41 PM, Mr. WEO said: 2 years ago maybe. I'd take Hunt or Barkley every Sunday over this guy. So you're saying there will be a bidding war for Bell? Those 2 aren’t available lol but anyways Hunt is pretty damn good and so is Barkley. I think Bell may find out real quick the true economics of free agency in the NFL. Realistically, I see 3 years around 35 mil. Maybe to him thats better than the 14 mil with risk of an injury without a long term deal in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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