EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Four straight Super Bowl losses? Yeah... https://www.newyorkupstate.com/expo/sports/g66l-2019/01/0fd80941c78789/buffalo-bills-fans-media-remind-adam-schefter-that-saints-suffering-far-from-worst.html I mentioned it yesterday that the couple of calls against us were far more egregious than one non-PI call, which had Sean Peyton merely ran the ball they more than likely would have won. :14 left and :00 left on the clock for three egregious calls in two games didn't leave us the same chance! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 No way he should have thrown the slant to Thomas on first down. I had no clue what he was doing. Even if they dont get the 1st running the ball, they milk more of the clock and still kick the field goal. At the very least the Rams dont have time outs left. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just so I'm straight, we get mad when the media repetitively mentions bad things about Buffalo, and also when the media ignores bad things about Buffalo. Right? 3 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: Just so I'm straight, we get mad when the media repetitively mentions bad things about Buffalo, and also when the media ignores bad things about Buffalo. Right? I think it might be more about feeling overlooked that we aren't even getting national recognition concerning the depths of the suffering as fans that we've endured under the brightest of spotlights--in other words, at least give me a pat on the back that you understand what it is I've gone through. Instead, not only did I have to go through it, but now Schefter makes like it never even happened so I don't get props for surviving it? That's insult to injury. At least, that's my fake currency .02 on it. Edited January 21, 2019 by NoHuddleKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Im starting to think Bills fans are a little sensitive... 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 There is still fame and $ to be made by playing in the NFL. Until that goes away there will always be enough ready and willing participants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: I think it might be more about feeling overlooked that we aren't even getting national recognition concerning the depths of the suffering as fans that we've endured under the brightest of spotlights--in other words, at least give me a pat on the back that you understand what it is I've gone through. Instead, not only did I have to go through it, but now Schefter makes like it never even happened so I don't get props for surviving it? That's insult to injury. At least, that's my fake currency .02 on it. That's sort of what I was getting at. We'd rather be spoken of poorly than ignored. The Bills haven't been in the AFC Championship Game for 25 years. For reference, when they went in 1990 they hadn't been to a Championship game in 24 years. That isn't to say that the 1966 Bills were completely irrelevant to me, I knew they existed and were good, but I was negative 12 years old when they played so I didn't have any personal connection to it. We have an entire generation of people who have no connection to the Bills other than them being varying degrees of crappy. My sons are 12 and 9, they won't watch Bills games at all because "we know they're going to lose so why bother?" My 12 year old has vague memories of the Sabres being ok, the 9 year old has nothing. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Im starting to think Bills fans are a little sensitive... Starting to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: That's sort of what I was getting at. We'd rather be spoken of poorly than ignored. The Bills haven't been in the AFC Championship Game for 25 years. For reference, when they went in 1990 they hadn't been to a Championship game in 24 years. That isn't to say that the 1966 Bills were completely irrelevant to me, I knew they existed and were good, but I was negative 12 years old when they played so I didn't have any personal connection to it. We have an entire generation of people who have no connection to the Bills other than them being varying degrees of crappy. My sons are 12 and 9, they won't watch Bills games at all because "we know they're going to lose so why bother?" My 12 year old has vague memories of the Sabres being ok, the 9 year old has nothing. Understood--and totally agree with you that the '66 Bills held no personal connection with me as a fan when the Bills went in '90. Hopefully, your sons can catch on now with the emergence of Allen as a legitimate QB the likes of which we haven't seen around here since those earlier quality eras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) He’s definitely right. The manner in which they lost each of those games is on par with the Music City Miracle. We did not lose two playoff games in back to back seasons in improbable fashion to the extent the Saints have. Edited January 21, 2019 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, metzelaars_lives said: He’s definitely right. The manner in which they lost each of those games is on par with the Music City Miracle. We did not lose two playoff games in back to back seasons in improbable fashion to the extent the Saints have. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 46 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: No way he should have thrown the slant to Thomas on first down. I had no clue what he was doing. Even if they dont get the 1st running the ball, they milk more of the clock and still kick the field goal. At the very least the Rams dont have time outs left. This ^^^^^ They lost the game on THIS call, not PI not being called. They still had chances to win game after PI incident, however this call on first down is the literal biggest contributor to this loss. Non PI Call was horrific mistake by Refs, no doubt. But the biggest blunder was that terrible decision to pass on first down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: This ^^^^^ They lost the game on THIS call, not PI not being called. They still had chances to win game after PI incident, however this call on first down is the literal biggest contributor to this loss. Non PI Call was horrific mistake by Refs, no doubt. But the biggest blunder was that terrible decision to pass on first down. No way. The biggest blunder is the missed PI call. Yeah, milking the clock gives them a better shot to win, but we can't say throwing was worse. The Refs shouldn't decide games. I don't know why it always seems to come down to the refs deciding games. They need to be help accountable. Edited January 21, 2019 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: No way. The biggest blunder is the missed PI call. Yeah, milking the clock gives them a better shot to win, but we can't say throwing was worse. The Refs shouldn't decide games. I don't know why it always seems to come down to the refs deciding games. I'd like to see the Competition Committee change things so that Coaches would be able to challenge penalties. This would go a long way towards fixing the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: No way. The biggest blunder is the missed PI call. Yeah, milking the clock gives them a better shot to win, but we can't say throwing was worse. The Refs shouldn't decide games. I don't know why it always seems to come down to the refs deciding games. They need to be help accountable. Respectuflly disagree. The pass happened first and was one of the worst decisions I have seen by a HC in a big moment. PI play doesn’t even happen had they run on first down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, SoCal Deek said: I'd like to see the Competition Committee change things so that Coaches would be able to challenge penalties. This would go a long way towards fixing the problem. I hate penalty challenges, always have. I'm just tired of incompetent refs. I like human error, but that was pure incompetence. Refs need to be held responsible. Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Respectuflly disagree. The pass happened first and was one of the worst decisions I have seen by a HC in a big moment. PI play doesn’t even happen had they run on first down. I get what you're saying but the missed PI happened. I've also heard Brees checked into the pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Who cares? So what? I’m so sick of these freaking SB losses being wore like some badge of honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, TheTruthHurts said: I hate penalty challenges, always have. I'm just tired of incompetent refs. I like human error, but that was pure incompetence. Refs need to be held responsible. the refs let them play rough. they 'missed' multiple PI calls. why should they call that one and not others? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: I hate penalty challenges, always have. I'm just tired of incompetent refs. I like human error, but that was pure incompetence. Refs need to be held responsible. And how exactly would you hold the refs responsible? Firing squad? That wouldn't solve the Saints problem this morning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, TheTruthHurts said: I hate penalty challenges, always have. I'm just tired of incompetent refs. I like human error, but that was pure incompetence. Refs need to be held responsible. I get what you're saying but the missed PI happened. I've also heard Brees checked into the pass. I do completely agree with you tht the PI was horrendous, no denying. But it’s run 100% of the time on first down there. You have an explosive offense on the other side tht doesn’t need a lot of time to get into FG range, you have to be smart in that situation and whoever made that call IMO made a critical mistake. But Saints had multiple chances to still win the game after the PI and didn’t get the job done after that. Not running there impacted their outcome more than the non call interference IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: And how exactly would you hold the refs responsible? Firing squad? That wouldn't solve the Saints problem this morning. We're not trying to solve the Saints problem, it's a league wide problem. They have to eliminate bad refs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 54 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: Just so I'm straight, we get mad when the media repetitively mentions bad things about Buffalo, and also when the media ignores bad things about Buffalo. Right? I think it’s just generally mad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: the refs let them play rough. they 'missed' multiple PI calls. why should they call that one and not others? It was the most obvious. DB broke every rule in the book. It was an easy call. Edited January 21, 2019 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: We're not trying to solve the Saints problem, it's a league wide problem. They have to eliminate bad refs. Ugh! The current example is the Saints...right? Sheeeesh "Eliminating bad refs" is a lot easier said than done, and will only happen after a team gets screwed. Wouldn't be easier to have a system that can correct for a bad call on the field? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 43 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Im starting to think Bills fans are a little sensitive... Took you this long to think that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: It was the most obvious. i wonder if it was. relatively speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Ugh! The current example is the Saints...right? Sheeeesh "Eliminating bad refs" is a lot easier said than done, and will only happen after a team gets screwed. Wouldn't be easier to have a system that can correct for a bad call on the field? I want refs to be able to make obvious calls. The problem with challenging penalties is most of them are not obvious. I'm fine with human error, but too many times there are calls and non calls that make fans question the integrity of the game. 6 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: i wonder if it was. relatively speaking. You could question early or late, but you can't question if he was playing the ball or if he turned his head. It was a textbook PI call. You can't miss that call without losing your job. Any ref could have called it, which only makes me think it was decided before hand not to call PI. Edited January 21, 2019 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Ugh! The current example is the Saints...right? Sheeeesh "Eliminating bad refs" is a lot easier said than done, and will only happen after a team gets screwed. Wouldn't be easier to have a system that can correct for a bad call on the field? a bad call according to who? that is the problem. the refs were loose yesterday, all game. were they all bad calls? i remember thinking "wow, this is great, they are letting them play rough today!" but suddenly they are supposed to not be loose at the very end? and we want a system that allows us to cherry pick bad calls when context should be considered? i like how it happened yesterday just fine. i'm not sure how bad that call was considering the many no calls for the entire game. 3 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: You could question early or late, but you can't question if he was playing the ball or if he turned his head. It was a textbook PI call. i'm not questioning the PI. i'm saying context matters. for example: if the refs let 9 PI calls go uncalled, 6 maybes, 3 obvious, why call the obvious 10th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: a bad call according to who? that is the problem. the refs were loose yesterday, all game. were they all bad calls? i remember thinking "wow, this is great, they are letting them play rough today!" but suddenly they are supposed to not be loose at the very end? and we want a system that allows us to cherry pick bad calls when context should be considered? i like how it happened yesterday just fine. i'm not sure how bad that call was considering the many no calls for the entire game. i'm not questioning the PI. i'm saying context matters. for example: if the refs let 9 PI calls go uncalled, 6 maybes, 3 obvious, why call the obvious 10th? I love letting them play. That wasn't letting them play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, TheTruthHurts said: I love letting them play. That wasn't letting them play. ok. but maybe some of the missed calls earlier in the game was also not letting them play. shouldn't context matter? it's either that or demand that every single penalty be called which i assume no one wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, dickleyjones said: ok. but maybe some of the missed calls earlier in the game was also not letting them play. shouldn't context matter? it's either that or demand that every single penalty be called which i assume no one wants. There is a difference. I don't typically blame refs. Pro sports are hard to call, game is fast. But there are times it's obvious the refs purposely don't make a call or call something that clearly wasn't a foul. This was one of those times. The question is why? The bigger question is why aren't the refs held accountable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: There is a difference. I don't typically blame refs. Pro sports are hard to call, game is fast. But there are times it's obvious the refs purposely don't make a call or call something that clearly wasn't a foul. This was one of those times. The question is why? The bigger question is why aren't the refs held accountable? once again, i think it matters that other obvious calls were not made. if the game was called really tight all day and then suddenly this play happens and no call, that's bad. but that's not how it went down. as for accountability, since the job requires judgement calls we don't want to complicate things. we don't need the refs thinking "hmm i better call this or i'll be in trouble". we just want them to call the game as straight up as they can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, That's No Moon said: Just so I'm straight, we get mad when the media repetitively mentions bad things about Buffalo, and also when the media ignores bad things about Buffalo. Right? Jerry Sullivan ha ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Oh, how I yearn for the days when Rex Ryan was strolling around in a Thurman Thomas jersey & the Bills were a national brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Four straight Super Bowl losses? Yeah... https://www.newyorkupstate.com/expo/sports/g66l-2019/01/0fd80941c78789/buffalo-bills-fans-media-remind-adam-schefter-that-saints-suffering-far-from-worst.html I mentioned it yesterday that the couple of calls against us were far more egregious than one non-PI call, which had Sean Peyton merely ran the ball they more than likely would have won. :14 left and :00 left on the clock for three egregious calls in two games didn't leave us the same chance! My tweet made it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Im starting to think Bills fans are a little sensitive... YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, dickleyjones said: a bad call according to who? that is the problem. the refs were loose yesterday, all game. were they all bad calls? i remember thinking "wow, this is great, they are letting them play rough today!" but suddenly they are supposed to not be loose at the very end? and we want a system that allows us to cherry pick bad calls when context should be considered? i like how it happened yesterday just fine. i'm not sure how bad that call was considering the many no calls for the entire game. i'm not questioning the PI. i'm saying context matters. for example: if the refs let 9 PI calls go uncalled, 6 maybes, 3 obvious, why call the obvious 10th? What? The Rams pass interference was not a bad call...it was the wrong call. If the Coach was allowed to challenge that call, or the booth within the last two minutes, it would definitely have been a penalty. Likewise, the Chiefs roughing the passer call would have been reversed since the defender clearly didn't hit the QB in the head. These penalties have just as much of an impact on the outcome of a game as a turnover does, (and possibly as much as a touchdown does),...and both turnovers and touchdowns are both now automatically reviewed. I would have no problem with a coach being allowed to use one of his two challenges on either reversing or calling a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: What? The Rams pass interference was not a bad call...it was the wrong call. If the Coach was allowed to challenge that call, or the booth within the last two minutes, it would definitely have been a penalty. Likewise, the Chiefs roughing the passer call would have been reversed since the defender clearly didn't hit the QB in the head. These penalties have just as much of an impact on the outcome of a game as a turnover does, (and possibly as much as a touchdown does),...and both turnovers and touchdowns are both now automatically reviewed. I would have no problem with a coach being allowed to use one of his two challenges on either reversing or calling a penalty. it is the wrong call in a vacuum, yes, i agree. but in the context of the game it may be correct. there were many other 'missed' PI calls yesterday. that's how it goes with judgment calls, the refs set a precedent and hopefully uphold it all game. edit: and to add replay into the mix totally undermines the refs' precedent. Edited January 21, 2019 by dickleyjones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I think a part of what's being overlooked on the horrific non PI call is the distance the play occurred from the ball. It wasn't your typical interference where the DB, the WR, and the ball were all tangled up in the same spot. Certainly not absolving the official of blame, but I haven't heard that mentioned. Sans the interference, it would have been a catchable ball, but my initial thought was the ref could have whiffed on the call because it appeared uncatchable. Just a thought. As to the topic, I find it insane that Bills fans would feel "slighted" by a missed reference to the miserable 4 straight Superbowl losses. Who the hell wants to be reminded of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: No way he should have thrown the slant to Thomas on first down. I had no clue what he was doing. Even if they dont get the 1st running the ball, they milk more of the clock and still kick the field goal. At the very least the Rams dont have time outs left. I agree the safe play there was to run the clock and give the ball back to the Rams with about 50 seconds and no timeouts, however, the first down pass was open and Brees just threw it into the ground. He had a couple big misses yesterday. 27 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: As to the topic, I find it insane that Bills fans would feel "slighted" by a missed reference to the miserable 4 straight Superbowl losses. Who the hell wants to be reminded of that? Some fans don't want to ever miss a chance to play the 'woe is us' card. Bills fans are nearing territory that was once held by Red Sox and Cubs fans. Edited January 21, 2019 by KD in CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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