Robert Foster makes PFF All-Rookie Team

[RocCityRoller]

11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I know this is a typo but just wondering who you think is the next AJ Green? I don’t know all the WRs

AJ Brown - thanks for knowing its a typo.

 

Too many AJ, Antonio, Browns and Greens!

 

AJ Brown - Ole Miss - I think he is the best WR in the draft.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2258303/aj-brown

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

AJ Brown - thanks for knowing its a typo.

 

Too many AJ, Antonio, Browns and Greens!

 

AJ Brown - Ole Miss - I think he is the best WR in the draft.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2258303/aj-brown

 

 

Oh right.... I should have known that. I really need to get informed on the WRs this year, I watch mostly big 10

[RocCityRoller]

16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Oh right.... I should have known that. I really need to get informed on the WRs this year, I watch mostly big 10

 

Hard to keep up with everyone.

 

I like AJ Brown, N'Keal Harry, David Sills, Parris Cambell and Anthony Johnson at WR for what this team needs.

 

But I am ok going RT/G/C/DT/Edge in 1 and 2 and going for Anthony Johnson/ Cambell/ Sills in the third if available.

[Doc]

32 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

Odds are he'll be #4 next year on the flanker depth chart.

 

Odds are he'll be no lower than 2nd.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

They also put him on waivers and lucked out a bit that he wasn’t claimed...

 

 

Finding late or post-draft steals is also A LOT easier when you have a lot of jobs up for grabs.

 

The Bills came to camp with just 2 WR guaranteed to make the roster(Zay and KB).............that's a ton of opportunity for a guy like Foster who really had no takers and if not for the Daboll connection might have been looking for work in the CFL.

 

And as Eddie Yarbrough can attest.........all bets on whether you make it from there on out are off.    He got CUT from his CFL team the year before Buffalo took a chance on him and he played well in reserve for Buffalo.

 

But back to the original point........as your roster gets better those steals get harder to find.

 

 

Edited January 6, 2019 by BADOLBILZ

[Misterbluesky]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Odds are he'll be no lower than 2nd.

I hope you're right..but he better have a very solid summer...because new talent is coming in. It's all about being consistant,especially in the dog days of August.

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Hard to keep up with everyone.

 

I like AJ Brown, N'Keal Harry, David Sills, Parris Cambell and Anthony Johnson at WR for what this team needs.

 

But I am ok going RT/G/C/DT/Edge in 1 and 2 and going for Anthony Johnson/ Cambell/ Sills in the third if available.

Well I know Campbell very well... he’s more of a hybrid/Tyreek Hill/Kamara. They play him at Hback. He’s super fast but hands aren’t elite. He’s a McD type, DNA/Football character wise. 

Edited January 6, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[RocCityRoller]

16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Well I know Campbell very well... he’s more of a hybrid/Tyreek Hill/Kamara. They play him at Hback. He’s super fast but hands aren’t elite. He’s a McD type, DNA/Football character wise. 

 

Like Eric Metcalf?

 

He was special.

[YoloinOhio]

43 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Like Eric Metcalf?

 

He was special.

Good article on Campbell. 

 

[Bfanlc]

3 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

UDFA typically choose the best spot to make the team. Foster's agent probably deserves the credit for finding the right team for his client. 

Think Daboll deserves a lot of credit for Foster. Since he was his oc at Bama.

[billsfan_34]

7 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Pretty crazy that (down the stretch) we had the best graded out rookie WR and best graded rookie CB and drafted neither 

Screams excellent scouting and outstanding coaching!

[formerlyofCtown]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

But Ive read on TSW that he wont even be on this team next year.

8 hours ago, VW82 said:

I wonder how much the success of Foster (and to a lesser degree Mckenzie) will impact how the Bills view the types of receivers they target moving forward.

 

Allen's accuracy issues are well documented, and so finding guys that can really get open becomes that much more important. The one thing that Zay, Clay, Holmes, and KB all had in common is none of them were very good at gaining separation. You probably give up some blocking, execution on wr screens, etc., going after guys like that but until Allen can learn to become more precise on his throws (i.e. leading receivers away from defenders more consistently) there are going to be issues completing balls in tight coverage.   

Actually Allen has pin point accuracy it is just that he misfires sometimes. That started to disapate as the season went on and will likely further deminish in the offseason.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said:

I hope you're right..but he better have a very solid summer...because new talent is coming in. It's all about being consistant,especially in the dog days of August.

 

Not sure how much WR talent will be brought in.

[formerlyofCtown]

56 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Good article on Campbell. 

 

Nope not our guy

[PIZ]

8 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Pretty crazy that (down the stretch) we had the best graded out rookie WR and best graded rookie CB and drafted neither 

 

It's like the Bills had four 1st round picks.

 

 

[formerlyofCtown]

3 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

Congrats, and well deserved. He and Dupree were my favorite WRs entering this year.

 

Passer rating when targeted - 127.2 on 20 yds per catch avg.....

 

Question for TBD.

 

Did Allen make a collection of Zay, Foster and McKenzie better, or did they help make Josh look better?

 

Hoping for AJ Brown in the draft. Next AJ Green IMO.

(full disclosure I do not like Metcalf at all. Reach and bust written all over him)

 

Id rather go OT/G/C/DL/Edge in 1+2 then get Anthony Johnson in the third than take Metcalf in the first.

I think you are going to be disappointed as Metcalf has the size I believe they will be looking for.

[Doc]

Metcalf's neck will scare many teams away.

[Mark Vader]

6 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Roll Tide!!!!!

I understand why Foster went undrafted, why did Levi Wallace go undrafted?

[Ol Dirty B]

1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:

 

Actually Allen has pin point accuracy it is just that he misfires sometimes. 

 

Eh... That doesn't really make sense buddy.

[Bill from NYC]

3 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

I understand why Foster went undrafted, why did Levi Wallace go undrafted?

Very similar situation. He got fewer reps because the secondary was just so stacked. I don't remember his combine numbers either.

I did read an article in which Calvin Ridley praised him. As I recall he was a walk on, or at least he was not highly recruited. VERY few players make the Alabama team under these conditions. He worked his way up.

Btw Saban of course has a defensive backs assistant but is heavily involved in coaching the defensive backs. Some say that he is coaching the players AND the assistant coach. He has jokingly said several times that if the jobs paid the same he would still be a defensive backs assistant, which was his start in coaching.

[Freddie's Dead]

I'll have my crow well done please.  I was wrong on Foster, big time.  When I saw his lack of effort in the preseason, not laying out for catches, not fighting for 50/50 balls, I thought he was the second coming of Da'Rick.  I didn't think he was going to make it.  Hats off to the Foster defenders, you were right to stand up to the withering fire from the rest of us.  Mea culpa.

[BobbyC81]

15 hours ago, VW82 said:

I wonder how much the success of Foster (and to a lesser degree Mckenzie) will impact how the Bills view the types of receivers they target moving forward.

 

Allen's accuracy issues are well documented, and so finding guys that can really get open becomes that much more important. The one thing that Zay, Clay, Holmes, and KB all had in common is none of them were very good at gaining separation. You probably give up some blocking, execution on wr screens, etc., going after guys like that but until Allen can learn to become more precise on his throws (i.e. leading receivers away from defenders more consistently) there are going to be issues completing balls in tight coverage.   

 

How about a big receiver with a large catch radius that does actually catch the ball when competing with DBs, unlike KB?

[Coach Tuesday]

2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

I'll have my crow well done please.  I was wrong on Foster, big time.  When I saw his lack of effort in the preseason, not laying out for catches, not fighting for 50/50 balls, I thought he was the second coming of Da'Rick.  I didn't think he was going to make it.  Hats off to the Foster defenders, you were right to stand up to the withering fire from the rest of us.  Mea culpa.

 

Respectfully - I don't think the issue was a lack of effort, but possibly a lack of focus.  Even more so, though, he seemed to learn how to track the ball during the season - something I would not have thought possible.

[formerlyofCtown]

6 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Eh... That doesn't really make sense buddy.

Sorry I should have explained further.  The post I responded to said he needs WRs that get very open.  While his passes are either on the money or off to the point that nobody is gonna catch them.  When I say misfire I mean way off.  Sorry for not stating such.

Also accuracy and consistancy are two different things.

Edited January 6, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[formerlyofCtown]

20 minutes ago, LittleJoeCartwright said:

 

How about a big receiver with a large catch radius that does actually catch the ball when competing with DBs, unlike KB?

From what I took from a Daboll statement on the different ways a WR is open that is exactly the type of WR we are going after in the off season.  Its a bit of speculation on my part  but it is the third type that he mentioned and the only one We are lacking.  KB was supposed to fill that role.

[YoloinOhio]

7 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Nope not our guy

Hope not. Unless they are able to land one with WR1 profile  in FA, they need to take a pure WR. Campbell would a luxury pick for this team which they aren’t in the position to make. 

Edited January 6, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[formerlyofCtown]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Hope not. Unless they are able to land one with WR1 profile  in FA, they need to take a pure WR. Campbell would a luxury pick for this team which they aren’t in the position to make. 

As I said any several post I believe they are going to target a big WR.  I havnt watch much film on him yet as I have been living at work but Size wise Metcalf fits the bill in the draft.

[ChanticleerBillsFan]

46 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Hope not. Unless they are able to land one with WR1 profile  in FA, they need to take a pure WR. Campbell would a luxury pick for this team which they aren’t in the position to make. 

Unfortunate I don’t think there is anyone in FA to meet that mold. IMO. Bunch of people mentioning Tyrell Williams. Just don’t see hit m being a number 1 threat. Good compliment player. Gotta draft that guy

 

Heard on One Bills Live that Robert Foster was gonna stay in buffalo for the off season. Say a lot IMO. Hopefully this guy continues to improve - 5 star recruit coming out of HS

Edited January 6, 2019 by ChanticleerBillsFan

[Doc]

1 hour ago, ChanticleerBillsFan said:

Unfortunate I don’t think there is anyone in FA to meet that mold. IMO. Bunch of people mentioning Tyrell Williams. Just don’t see hit m being a number 1 threat. Good compliment player. Gotta draft that guy

 

Heard on One Bills Live that Robert Foster was gonna stay in buffalo for the off season. Say a lot IMO. Hopefully this guy continues to improve - 5 star recruit coming out of HS

 

Yeah they're going to have to draft a #1 and hope he turns out to be one.

 

As for Foster, great if true.  Hopefully Josh sticks around as well.

[RocCityRoller]

11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Good article on Campbell. 

 

 

great link, I watched all the vids

 

reminds me of a Slaughter/ Eric Metcalf type of guy - I always liked those type of guys

[Trogdor]

A lot of people on this thread with a new found love of PFF.

[jlgarsh]

13 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

Odds are he'll be #4 next year on the flanker depth chart.

 

Who will be ahead of him? WRs able to average 20+ yards per catch don't grow on trees...

[RocCityRoller]

11 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I think you are going to be disappointed as Metcalf has the size I believe they will be looking for.

 

Sometimes the best ability is availability

 

DK Metcalf has  two years of mediocre stats. Never broke 700 yards receiving. Now he had a season ending neck injury. And ppl on TBD want him in the first at #9? Stupid is as stupid does. He is a reach in the second, never mind the first.

 

I'd take his team mate AJ Brown in a heartbeat, I think AJ Brown is the next Julio Jones/ AJ Green/ D Hopkins style complete WR.

 

DK Metcalf - 6'4" 230

SEASON	REC	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD	ATT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD
2018	26	569	21.9	75	5	0	0	0.0	0	0
2017	39	646	16.6	71	7	0	0	0.0	0	0
2016	2	13	6.5	10	2	0	0	0.0	0	0

 

AJ Brown - 6'1" 230

SEASON	REC	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD	ATT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD
2018	85	1320	15.5	84	6	0	0	0.0	0	0
2017	75	1252	16.7	77	11	0	0	0.0	0	0
2016	29	412	14.2	37	2	0	0	0.0	0	0

 

DK should have stayed in college one more year IMO, and be the clear #1 once AJ moved on.

 

I would love AJ Brown at #9. Great football intelligence . Silky running style, great hands, huge YAC, comfortable with deep passes. Andre Reed with better speed.

 

Imagine AJ Brown as #1, Foster #2, and Zay in the slot where he belongs at #3.

 

 

Edited January 6, 2019 by RocCityRoller

[Virgil]

So, I’m a complete idiot. I’ve been talking about Fosters size all season and assumed he was around 5’10.  

 

Dude is 6’2”!!!!!  I had no idea and he looks small out there

[Mat68]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Hope not. Unless they are able to land one with WR1 profile  in FA, they need to take a pure WR. Campbell would a luxury pick for this team which they aren’t in the position to make. 

I could see it if they go wr 1st or 2nd than Campbell in the 3rd.  Depending how he test he may move into the first or second.  But I agree he is a taller, faster, less twitchy Percy Harvin.  Buffalo needs a pure Wr, but Buffalo also needs explosive players on offense.  Campbell running those jet motions causes more attention then Mckenzie.

[Mat68]

51 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Sometimes the best ability is availability

 

DK Metcalf has  two years of mediocre stats. Never broke 700 yards receiving. Now he had a season ending neck injury. And ppl on TBD want him in the first at #9? Stupid is as stupid does. He is a reach in the second, never mind the first.

 

I'd take his team mate AJ Brown in a heartbeat, I think AJ Brown is the next Julio Jones/ AJ Green/ D Hopkins style complete WR.

 

DK Metcalf - 6'4" 230

SEASON	REC	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD	ATT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD
2018	26	569	21.9	75	5	0	0	0.0	0	0
2017	39	646	16.6	71	7	0	0	0.0	0	0
2016	2	13	6.5	10	2	0	0	0.0	0	0

 

AJ Brown - 6'1" 230

SEASON	REC	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD	ATT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD
2018	85	1320	15.5	84	6	0	0	0.0	0	0
2017	75	1252	16.7	77	11	0	0	0.0	0	0
2016	29	412	14.2	37	2	0	0	0.0	0	0

 

DK should have stayed in college one more year IMO, and be the clear #1 once AJ moved on.

 

I would love AJ Brown at #9. Great football intelligence . Silky running style, great hands, huge YAC, comfortable with deep passes. Andre Reed with better speed.

 

Imagine AJ Brown as #1, Foster #2, and Zay in the slot where he belongs at #3.

 

 

When I watch them, Metcalf consistently has seperation and Brown is making contested catches.  That is a skill that Brown possesses but he will struggle in the NFL with his lack of separation imo.  It may be a lazy comparison but I see him having alot of issues that plagues Treadwells career to this point. 

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Sometimes the best ability is availability

 

DK Metcalf has  two years of mediocre stats. Never broke 700 yards receiving. Now he had a season ending neck injury. And ppl on TBD want him in the first at #9? Stupid is as stupid does. He is a reach in the second, never mind the first.

 

I'd take his team mate AJ Brown in a heartbeat, I think AJ Brown is the next Julio Jones/ AJ Green/ D Hopkins style complete WR.

 

DK Metcalf - 6'4" 230

SEASON	REC	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD	ATT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD
2018	26	569	21.9	75	5	0	0	0.0	0	0
2017	39	646	16.6	71	7	0	0	0.0	0	0
2016	2	13	6.5	10	2	0	0	0.0	0	0

 

AJ Brown - 6'1" 230

SEASON	REC	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD	ATT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD
2018	85	1320	15.5	84	6	0	0	0.0	0	0
2017	75	1252	16.7	77	11	0	0	0.0	0	0
2016	29	412	14.2	37	2	0	0	0.0	0	0

 

DK should have stayed in college one more year IMO, and be the clear #1 once AJ moved on.

 

I would love AJ Brown at #9. Great football intelligence . Silky running style, great hands, huge YAC, comfortable with deep passes. Andre Reed with better speed.

 

Imagine AJ Brown as #1, Foster #2, and Zay in the slot where he belongs at #3.

 

 

When did I say he would be the #9 overall pick.  Dont put words in my mouth.

 

Hes a little short to be the first 2

Edited January 6, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[Freddie's Dead]

7 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Respectfully - I don't think the issue was a lack of effort, but possibly a lack of focus.  Even more so, though, he seemed to learn how to track the ball during the season - something I would not have thought possible.

 

Maybe.  Would have liked to see him try to extend for those.  Water under the bridge, he balls like a mofo now.

[YoloinOhio]