2019 NFL Draft: Bills officially picking 9th

[GreggTX]

Per NFL.com:

 

PICK

9

Bills

2

 

Record: 6-10 (.523)
Previous week: No. T-7
Biggest needs: OL, WR, CB

It wasn't always pretty, but the Bills went 4-3 in their final seven games, and two of the losses were by just four points. Reasons for optimism! Now, the offensive line and pass catchers for Josh Allen have to be much better, but with a good offseason, this squad could take a big step in 2019.

[Cripple Creek]

12 hours ago, from_dunkirk said:

 

It is now official:

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001006117/article/2019-nfl-draft-order-cardinals-own-top-pick-giants-to-take-qb

It was official for everyone but you and some other guy on Sunday, but congrats.

[papazoid]

I would pick an OT

 

bills will pick a DT

[Solomon Grundy]

9 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I am actually really liking Golden Tate as the vet receiver to bring in......which would allow us to draft a OL in round 1 and get another WR in round 2 like Deebo Samuel

 

Golden Tate

Deebo Samuel

Robert Foster

Zay Jones

Issah McKenzie

Hey John. Happy New Year!!  I've been looking at some YouTube video on Quinnen Williams and Hakeem Butler and both of these guys are who I want the Bills to target. Williams has the potential to be a Aaron Donald type player with his quickness and hand fighting. Butler for his size/speed combination. He is also a pure "hands" catcher. He's not afraid to go across the middle and makes the "contested catches". Butler doesn't have an injury history like Deebo. When you get a chance check these guys out.

[Codyny13]

11 hours ago, dayman said:

Well Fournette, Hunt, Antonio Brown all look to be available. 

All scumbags who are literally the antithesis of who Sean and Brandon bring in to this building. 0 shot.

[Codyny13]

36 minutes ago, papazoid said:

I would pick an OT

 

bills will pick a DT

The problem is Jonah Williams is the only OT in the big board top 20. I’m taking the tackle if the value is there or a cpl slots off but if Williams is gone and you are unable to trade down, I’m not reaching for the 24th ranked player at 9.

[Bangarang]

41 minutes ago, papazoid said:

I would pick an OT

 

bills will pick a DT

 

The top of the draft is stacked with DL talent. We have major needs on the DL. This shouldn’t be a problem to anyone. Yeah, I know Allen needs a lot more help but you can’t/shouldn’t force picks like that. The goal should be to stock your shelves with young talent.

[CNYfan]

I think there is a long way to go in this analysis.  By April, after FA has mostly shaken out, it will be down to 4/5 players.  No matter the position, even if that is Greedy Williams territory, they have to hit on a great player.    Cannot afford to miss at this point in the process.

[Rockinon]

16 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Great observation Hapless. 

 

That is the gist of my thread the other day that the Bills may want to restock the O line and WR positions in free agency this year, but it is going to be hard for them to accomplish it due to the limited options available on the market and the fact that there are a lot of teams out there with money to spend and more appealing situations for a free agent to go to.  If the Bills and the Dolphins put the same offer on the table for a player, do you think a 25 year old free agent is going to pick Buffalo?  You'd be crazy to think that South Beach, great weather, and no state income tax that adds 9% to the value of the contract won't be a big factor in the decision? 

 

That's why I think Beane is going to look to trades to do what he can't do in free agency.  We don't have any players to trade, but we do have draft picks to offer up.  I'd be shocked if he didn't trade for at least two players before the end of April's draft.  I could see him trading during the draft for players.

 

Seriously? Do you think a young 25 year old would rather have JA throwing to him or go to Miami and not know who will be his QB? Even if you are looking at the money side of it, you want to go somewhere where you have a chance to demonstrate your talent and eventually win that big contract. Miami just an't that place and Buffalo is. Taxes and weather are not really a big factor.  Any WR dumb enough to choose Miami over Buffalo probably deserves his fate.

[thebandit27]

3 hours ago, papazoid said:

I would pick an OT

 

bills will pick a DT

 

If the Bills draft to fill needs they'll be back where they were 10 years ago. They need to be smarter than that.

 

Draft elite talents at critical positions like pass catcher, pass rusher, and cornerback. Stock the roster with talent; fill needs in free agency.

[SCBills]

20 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

If the Bills draft to fill needs they'll be back where they were 10 years ago. They need to be smarter than that.

 

Draft elite talents at critical positions like pass catcher, pass rusher, and cornerback. Stock the roster with talent; fill needs in free agency.

 

Agreed.  We have our QB.  If we stay at 9, Draft BPA at DE/CB/WR/LT.   

 

It doesn’t sound like BPA at 9 would be a WR or LT, so I’d have zero issue taking a pass rusher (or elite DT) or say, Greedy Williams to go opposite Tre. 

[Simon Says]

Unlike some people,I don't  pretend to have all the answers. Significant improvement can be achieved through a combination of 1. Better schemes 2. Youngsters gaining experience 3. Add OLine  via draft 4...via free.agency 5.  Continued development of Allen and skill positions

22 hours ago, NewEra said:

Lots of teams have LOTS of money.  It may not get us the proper upgrades that we need. We need good players.

How do you define "lots"? Bills have 3rd most and will focus on offense while not ignoring D

[JohnC]

22 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

If the Bills draft to fill needs they'll be back where they were 10 years ago. They need to be smarter than that.

 

Draft elite talents at critical positions like pass catcher, pass rusher, and cornerback. Stock the roster with talent; fill needs in free agency.

I'm not suggesting you are wrong with your approach. But the problem I have with many who apply your approach is that player rankings are not always accurate. A player who is ranked 10th is not necessarily better than a player who is ranked 20th. That is proven out in every draft. 

 

If the Bills have a desperate need for an offensive lineman who is ranked 10th on the board and there is a player who is ranked 8th on the board then I believe it is a mistake to strictly adhere to your board at the expense of your need, especially when the imprecise rankings are so close. 

[LSHMEAB]

It's hard for me to understand how people watched this defense all season and don't recognize DL as an area of need. I'm not really concerned with corner and we can find an adequate MLB in FA'cy. They're always available. They can allocate all other resources to offense, but they damn well better find a difference maker at DL or the defense will have the same issues it had in 2018. Yes, they had some issues.

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, Pablocruise said:

Unlike some people,I don't  pretend to have all the answers. Significant improvement can be achieved through a combination of 1. Better schemes 2. Youngsters gaining experience 3. Add OLine  via draft 4...via free.agency 5.  Continued development of Allen and skill positions

How do you define "lots"? Bills have 3rd most and will focus on offense while not ignoring D

It doesn’t matter how I define it. There’s lots of teams with lots of cap room.  It’s true.  

[thebandit27]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Agreed.  We have our QB.  If we stay at 9, Draft BPA at DE/CB/WR/LT.   

 

It doesn’t sound like BPA at 9 would be a WR or LT, so I’d have zero issue taking a pass rusher (or elite DT) or say, Greedy Williams to go opposite Tre. 

 

Absolutely. Greedy as a CB2 would make the secondary really solid. Wallace as the primary backup on the boundary and Lewis backing up Taron in the slot. 

 

Now about that whole Jordan Poyer holdout thing...

 

6 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I'm not suggesting you are wrong with your approach. But the problem I have with many who apply your approach is that player rankings are not always accurate. A player who is ranked 10th is not necessarily better than a player who is ranked 20th. That is proven out in every draft. 

 

If the Bills have a desperate need for an offensive lineman who is ranked 10th on the board and there is a player who is ranked 8th on the board then I believe it is a mistake to strictly adhere to your board at the expense of your need, especially when the imprecise rankings are so close. 

 

Well, you've hit on a pretty important point: the whole philosophy is predicated upon your evaluation being sound.

[Simon Says]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It doesn’t matter how I define it. There’s lots of teams with lots of cap room.  It’s true.  

"True" in your mind,whatever.. Bills,with 3rd highest cap dollars,  obviously have the opportunity to make improvement. Of course there will be competition for free agents. Beane's goalmos to be "judicious" in free agency

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

 

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Absolutely. Greedy as a CB2 would make the secondary really solid. Wallace as the primary backup on the boundary and Lewis backing up Taron in the slot. 

Would not personally be a fan of a CB in the top 10. McDermott seems to find guys that can play corner off the scrapheap and we've already got one good/borderline elite player at the position. Also, the best way to stop the top quarterbacks is by getting in their face on a consistent basis. Much rather identify a disruptive defensive lineman.

[Simon Says]

On 12/30/2018 at 6:38 PM, whatdrought said:

Looks like we need to trade back. lol

Beane would not surprise me if he did this. Arent many QBs...somebody might want to trade up for one. Bills could add a 2nd rounder

[thebandit27]

2 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

 

Would not personally be a fan of a CB in the top 10. McDermott seems to find guys that can play corner off the scrapheap and we've already got one good/borderline elite player at the position. Also, the best way to stop the top quarterbacks is by getting in their face on a consistent basis. Much rather identify a disruptive defensive lineman.

 

I prefer DL as well, but if the choice is solid DLman or potentially elite CB it's an easy choice for me

[Simon Says]

On 12/30/2018 at 6:38 PM, whatdrought said:

Looks like we need to trade back. lol

Beane would not surprise me if he did this. Arent many QBs...somebody might want to trade up for one. Bills could add a 2nd rounder

On 12/30/2018 at 6:38 PM, whatdrought said:

Looks like we need to trade back. lol

Beane would not surprise me if he did this. Arent many QBs...somebody might want to trade up for one. Bills could add a 2nd rounder

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, Pablocruise said:

"True" in your mind,whatever.. Bills,with 3rd highest cap dollars,  obviously have the opportunity to make improvement. Of course there will be competition for free agents. Beane's goalmos to be "judicious" in free agency

Yes we have the 3rd most money but that doesn’t mean jack.  Guys have to sign in the dotted line to come here.  There’s only one really good center imo.  There’s only one solid tackle imo.  Lots of #3 WRs. Lots of competition for only a few really solid players 

[Simon Says]

Lets not forget about free agency. These draft projections are dependent on who the Bills sign/re-sign. Beane has cap money and draft picks so I don't think he makes desperate moves

[Simon Says]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yes we have the 3rd most money but that doesn’t mean jack.  Guys have to sign in the dotted line to come here.  There’s only one really good center imo.  There’s only one solid tackle imo.  Lots of #3 WRs. Lots of competition for only a few really solid players 

Certainly does mean  "jack" if used judiciously. Beane believes in the draft but he isnt just going to roll over all 90 million. Its how you invest the dollars. You can sign 3 or 4 really high-paid free agents(Beame wont do this) , 6 or 8 mid-tier,, hell,12 relatively cheap free.agents for depth and to spread out the financial risk,. extend his own players,etc. So,what is YOUR plan

[Simon Says]

22 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You can't buy what isn't on the market.  And good OLmen don't come on the market very often for good reason.  OL is a place where continuity is important. 

 

Let's say we want to find a really good C as a FA.  Per Spotrac, candidates would include Ryan Kalil (Car), Brett Jones  and Nick Easton (Minn), Matt Paradis (Den) and Mitch Morse (KC). 

 

Ryan Kalil just retired.  Jones was the backup C for the Vikes and started the 1st 3 games when Elflein was out, but as soon as Elflein came back he took a seat.  Easton played guard on the Vikes good OL in 2017 and was IR'd all 2018 with a bulging disc in his neck.  So we're looking at two guys who got outplayed at the position on a totally Meh OL, one of whom is recovering from a very worrisome, often lingering, injury for a line player.  If Easton is healthy, I would expect the Vikes to re-sign him but as a LG, not a C.  Brett Jones would be a shot in the dark - he's been the backup C on two teams with crap OL (NYG and Vikes this year).

 

KC really likes Mitch Morse, but he took 6 weeks to recover from a concussion in Wk 6 this season, his 3rd concussion since 2015.  He's better than anyone else they have at center, so if they don't re-sign him - look very carefully under the hood, folks.  He might be one "bell ringing" away from the end of his career.

 

Matt Paradis, as I understand it, has become regarded as one of the top centers in the league.  Denver's OL was not "all that" this year, and Paradis ended the season on IR for a broken leg.  Again, look carefully under the hood if Denver does not re-sign him, but he seems like the most promising of the guys available.  But I would look for Denver to try to re-sign him, and they have reasonable cap space to do it.  If not, expect significant competition for his services.

 

So OK, you want to address the OL in FA?  Who ya gonna go after?

 

 

 

 

If there's one thing we should all have learned by now, it's that mock drafts (especially this early in the process) are almost uniformly incorrect.

 

 

 

I personally am not "going after " anybody. Pointing out the possibilities and "philosophy ". I don't see  Beane going after older, or eisky,  injury - prone players Positions not addresed in free agency will determine draft strategy. Dont under-estimate the Bills as a free agent destination.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Pablocruise said:

Certainly does mean  "jack" if used judiciously. Beane believes in the draft but he isnt just going to roll over all 90 million. Its how you invest the dollars. You can sign 3 or 4 really high-paid free agents(Beame wont do this) , 6 or 8 mid-tier,, hell,12 relatively cheap free.agents for depth and to spread out the financial risk,. extend his own players,etc. So,what is YOUR plan

Yes, I realize all of this.  I’m going after Paradies and Darryl Williams.  We need solid OL.  The FA WR crop is pretty weak.  I’d like Robbie Anderson, but that’s unlikely to happen.  Sign a Lower tier FA wr and not overpay.  Trade down in the draft and grab 2 OL, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1-2 DL a corner and maybe a rb depending on their plan is with shady.  

 

I woukdnt sign a FA RB for over 3 mill a year unless his name was Ingram or possibly Peterson.  

[thebandit27]

14 minutes ago, Pablocruise said:

Lets not forget about free agency. These draft projections are dependent on who the Bills sign/re-sign. Beane has cap money and draft picks so I don't think he makes desperate moves

 

FA shouldn't affect the draft at all. Draft for talent at key positions and you'll never be without a core.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Pablocruise said:

I personally am not "going after " anybody. Pointing out the possibilities and "philosophy ". I don't see  Beane going after older, or eisky,  injury - prone players Positions not addresed in free agency will determine draft strategy. Dont under-estimate the Bills as a free agent destination.

You’re personally not going after anyone.....yet you ask others who they would sign? I’m not signing anyone either, but I can still answer a question.

[Simon Says]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You’re personally not going after anyone.....yet you ask others who they would sign? I’m not signing anyone either, but I can still answer a question.

Apparently,you cant. Do you have a take or do you just waste peoples time arguimg about stuff we have no control over? Happy New Year...

[LABILLBACKER]

40 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yes we have the 3rd most money but that doesn’t mean jack.  Guys have to sign in the dotted line to come here.  There’s only one really good center imo.  There’s only one solid tackle imo.  Lots of #3 WRs. Lots of competition for only a few really solid players 

Then we better make sure we sign Paradis.

[ColoradoBills]

57 minutes ago, Pablocruise said:

Lets not forget about free agency. These draft projections are dependent on who the Bills sign/re-sign. Beane has cap money and draft picks so I don't think he makes desperate moves

 

I know what you're saying but it's not going to stop the posters from arguing who should be drafted.

FA starts in about 11 weeks or so.

Then another 6 weeks before the draft.

SO MUCH can happen in that time.

[Simon Says]

26 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I know what you're saying but it's not going to stop the posters from arguing who should be drafted.

FA starts in about 11 weeks or so.

Then another 6 weeks before the draft.

SO MUCH can happen in that time.

Exactly ! A lot t can happen. Im not worried and I dont think  Beane is,either 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Pablocruise said:

Apparently,you cant. Do you have a take or do you just waste peoples time arguimg about stuff we have no control over? Happy New Year...

 

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Yes, I realize all of this.  I’m going after Paradies and Darryl Williams.  We need solid OL.  The FA WR crop is pretty weak.  I’d like Robbie Anderson, but that’s unlikely to happen.  Sign a Lower tier FA wr and not overpay.  Trade down in the draft and grab 2 OL, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1-2 DL a corner and maybe a rb depending on their plan is with shady.  

 

I woukdnt sign a FA RB for over 3 mill a year unless his name was Ingram or possibly Peterson.  

 

1 hour ago, Pablocruise said:

Apparently,you cant. Do you have a take or do you just waste peoples time arguimg about stuff we have no control over? Happy New Year...

Or apparently you can’t read

[Simon Says]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

 

 

Or apparently you can’t read

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

 

 

Or apparently you can’t read

Oh,good one ,like that hurts . You have not said ANY thing that is unique,enlightening or definitive.  We all are aware of the Bills needs, plus their draft and cap resources. There are several ways to go, various combinations of draft picks and free agents. Too early to predict who will be available 

[Augie]

Here’s a question fior you: Would you rather attend a Super Bowl, or sit in the war room for a draft? 

 

I’ve been to a Bills SB, and it was great. But I would LOVE to sit in on a draft, see their board and what it’s like behind the scenes. The draft would be my choice. 

[LSHMEAB]

7 minutes ago, Augie said:

Here’s a question fior you: Would you rather attend a Super Bowl, or sit in the war room for a draft? 

 

I’ve been to a Bills SB, and it was great. But I would LOVE to sit in on a draft, see their board and what it’s like behind the scenes. The draft would be my choice. 

A Superbowl the Bills are involved in? I think there's an easy answer to that question.

[Cripple Creek]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

FA shouldn't affect the draft at all. Draft for talent at key positions and you'll never be without a core.

We're talking about the remnants of the Doug Whaley/Rex Ryan Bills.  That means we have to hit in FA and the draft to make a dramatic improvement. 

12 minutes ago, Augie said:

Here’s a question fior you: Would you rather attend a Super Bowl, or sit in the war room for a draft? 

 

I’ve been to a Bills SB, and it was great. But I would LOVE to sit in on a draft, see their board and what it’s like behind the scenes. The draft would be my choice. 

Are there jumbo shrimp in the draft room?

[LSHMEAB]

13 minutes ago, Pablocruise said:

Oh,good one ,like that hurts . You have not said ANY thing that is unique,enlightening or definitive.  We all are aware of the Bills needs, plus their draft and cap resources. There are several ways to go, various combinations of draft picks and free agents. Too early to predict who will be available 

What's with all the p***ing matches started by Johnny Come Lately posters? 

[OldTimer1960]

3 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

If the Bills draft to fill needs they'll be back where they were 10 years ago. They need to be smarter than that.

 

Draft elite talents at critical positions like pass catcher, pass rusher, and cornerback. Stock the roster with talent; fill needs in free agency.

I agree, but I can’t see the logic in using a top 10 pick on a CB when the Bills already have Tre White.  I know White has two? years left on his rookie deal and they could get another top CB on a rookie deal for 4 years, but you know that they could not keep both long-term.

 

The Bills have done this previously when they had Antoine Winfield and then drafted Nate Clements.  For sure Clements was good, but ultimately they let Winfield go to FA and he played very well for several more years and then the Bills lost Clements in FA as well.

 

I don’t want them to reach, but there are only a few premium positions that a team can budget for - QB, DE, LT, maybe 1 WR, a lockdown CB.  I am not saying that other positions are not important, but ideally find a top prospect at a position that, if he pans out, you can justify paying after his rookie deal.

Edited January 1, 2019 by OldTimer1960

[LSHMEAB]

12 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I agree, but I can’t see the logic in using a top 10 pick on a CB when the Bills already have Tre White.  I know White has two? Years left on his rookie deal and they could get another top CB on a rookie deal for 4 years, but you know that they could not keep both long-term.

 

I don’t want them to reach, but if there are only a few premium positions that a team can budget for - QB, DE, LT, maybe 1 WR, a lockdown CB.  I am not saying that other positions are not important, but ideally find a top prospect at a position that, if he pans out, you can justify paying after his rookie deal.

Agreed. I doubt Greedy lasts until 9 anways, so there's that. If he did, I'd just hope somebody in the teens would be all over it and we'd swing a deal.