boyst Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Just now, BeginnersMind said: "Redistricting" or gerrymandering lead to the salamander districts that benefitted Rs in PA. Putting voters together and letting them vote together for candidates is called, what's the word, democracy. Gerrymandered districts favor incumbents who can entrench ideologically over a long term and will never work with the other side. This isn't an R or D problem--it's an American one. It just so happened that in PA, it benefitted the Rs for a long time until this year. Gerrymandering is a plague. I can't believe you'd defend it, except that it doesn't work out for you. We are not a democracy you nincompoop. Your desire to lower your own bar rivals that of Tiberius. He isn't going to bother holding your beer anymore, he's built you a ***** cupholder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Welcome back Mitt! No, we're not. And when did he turn orange? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Welcome back Mitt! Senator Empty Suit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: it doesn't work out for ANYBODY to silence those in less populous areas for favor of the party that represents the cities. Ever. The top 34 metro districts are now controlled by Democrats. Just waiting for the shooting to start, at this point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Just now, DC Tom said: The top 34 metro districts are now controlled by Democrats. Just waiting for the shooting to start, at this point... Can't happen. Most are gun free zones and there are lots of signs posted! SIGNS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 (edited) ie: Gerrymandering I recall a conversation I had with my father when I was 11 or 12 - and was studying US politics in school. I could not understand why district lines were not drawn in squares (and when you ran out of real estate, those were places that would have an irregular voting line). To his credit, my father did not laugh in my face. He did snicker a little bit as he tried to explain "that's not how it works". (My father is a life-long Dem and a good portion of my family have campaigned for, and at one time or another held some low-level position within the local democrat apparatus.) Gerrymandering has always been about political power and trying to give "your side" an edge. Edited November 7, 2018 by Buffalo_Gal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: No, we're not. And when did he turn orange? Waiting for the new filter now that you mention it. If we white every white Hispanic, darken every black dude than I know it's a matter of time before we orange every white man. #orangemanbad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Dems made some gains in state legislatures, too. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/7/18071410/democrat-state-legislature-colorado-minnesota-election-results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 34 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: God forbid Democrats and Republicans vote together in a district. The humanity! Representative democracy is best executed when groups which are as politically homogenous as possible are able to elect a Representative to serve for them in the House. This gives these individuals the best chance to have a voice which actually represents their view points and beliefs in Congress. Districts which are designed to be politically diverse or competitive disenfranchise more voters, because roughly half of them have no voice to represent them in our legislative body. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Representative democracy is best executed when groups which are as politically homogenous as possible are able to elect a Representative to serve for them in the House. This gives these individuals the best chance to have a voice which actually represents their view points and beliefs in Congress. Districts which are designed to be politically diverse or competitive disenfranchise more voters, because roughly half of them have no voice to represent them in our legislative body. As always, stated more eloquently than I could manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 When far left nutbags report the election results. That's a winning message, leftists. Clearly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 USA TODAY COLUMN ON THE ELECTIONS: Election results 2018: Forget the blue wave and behold the purple puddle. ‘Blue wave’ turns out to be ordinary election, rather than an extraordinary rebuke to Trump. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Where all da white women at? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 The blue wave ran into Trump’s red wall Hill, by Ian Swanson and Bob Cusack Original Article Positive perspective on the midterm election American Thinker, by Tiberiu Dianu Original Article . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Nelson's not conceding Florida Senate seat to Scott. What a surprise... hanging chads 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 37 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: ie: Gerrymandering I recall a conversation I had with my father when I was 11 or 12 - and was studying US politics in school. I could not understand why district lines were not drawn in squares (and when you ran out of real estate, those were places that would have an irregular voting line). To his credit, my father did not laugh in my face. He did snicker a little bit as he tried to explain "that's not how it works". (My father is a life-long Dem and a good portion of my family have campaigned for, and at one time or another held some low-level position within the local democrat apparatus.) Gerrymandering has always been about political power and trying to give "your side" an edge. It's done very easily now. There is software out there that with simple moves of the mouse over a map will provide population, demographic and voter registration stats on the fly. Governors and their staff can redistrict an entire state in an afternoon to their liking and on the very edge of legal requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I don't see how either side can call it a major victory. Both did exactly what was projected. Both won some key races, both loss some. Getting the house is very important for the democrats, but that was always going to be the case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 31 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Representative democracy is best executed when groups which are as politically homogenous as possible are able to elect a Representative to serve for them in the House. This gives these individuals the best chance to have a voice which actually represents their view points and beliefs in Congress. Districts which are designed to be politically diverse or competitive disenfranchise more voters, because roughly half of them have no voice to represent them in our legislative body. ...leads to division, entrenchment, and disenfranchisement of the votes of people who live in population dense areas. That said, I appreciate you taking the issue seriously. You make the counterpoint perfectly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 46 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: ie: Gerrymandering I recall a conversation I had with my father when I was 11 or 12 - and was studying US politics in school. I could not understand why district lines were not drawn in squares (and when you ran out of real estate, those were places that would have an irregular voting line). To his credit, my father did not laugh in my face. He did snicker a little bit as he tried to explain "that's not how it works". (My father is a life-long Dem and a good portion of my family have campaigned for, and at one time or another held some low-level position within the local democrat apparatus.) Gerrymandering has always been about political power and trying to give "your side" an edge. Yep. Democrats gerrymander just as badly, to the benefit of different demographics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 34 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Representative democracy is best executed when groups which are as politically homogenous as possible are able to elect a Representative to serve for them in the House. This gives these individuals the best chance to have a voice which actually represents their view points and beliefs in Congress. Districts which are designed to be politically diverse or competitive disenfranchise more voters, because roughly half of them have no voice to represent them in our legislative body. So - In the scientifically gerrymandered era of 2010's - would you say Congress has been effective at passing long lasting and effective legislation.....the results of the last decade speak for themselves....Look at the RR or BC era if you want an example of bipartisan legislation.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, TH3 said: So - In the scientifically gerrymandered era of 2010's - would you say Congress has been effective at passing long lasting and effective legislation.....the results of the last decade speak for themselves....Look at the RR or BC era if you want an example of bipartisan legislation.... Post hoc ergo propter hoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 13 hours ago, B-Large said: I hope not. We have a nice balance here, bold ideas on big issues that make people lives better, but don’t vote yes on everything that increases spending... dont get me wrong, fin I were filthy rich I’d live in San Diego, but not quite there yet. I suspect you're done posting over here for the time being, but wanted to post this thread from Twitter ffor you. Ignore where the writer is from; Breitbart died when Andrew died, but the points he makes are still very accurate. You even see people responding from Colorado. Click to read all his posts. It helps if you see what's coming...and it's coming to Colorado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 28 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: Where all da white women at? I always wonder what exactly is meant by a statement like " I am unsure when they will understand the damage they do" Are they ever specific about details on the "damage"? It seems it's mostly platitudes to give a general impression or appeal to emotions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Quote Tom Elliott @tomselliott FollowFollow @tomselliott Joy Behar just suggested Republicans won Senate seats because of “gerrymandering. .....Darn those gerrymandered state borders! . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 50 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: Where all da white women at? Maybe if there was a man around to tell them how stupid they are and how much damage they were doing they would learn? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, LABillzFan said: Where all da white women at? Quote Ben ShapiroVerified account @benshapiro 2h2 hours ago So when black women vote 95% for a candidate, that’s just good sense. When white women vote 71% for Cruz, that’s sectarian partisanship. Okay....... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, B-Man said: .....Darn those gerrymandered state borders! Unfortunately that's probably not the dumbest thing she'll say today, though it is pretty meta as far as dumb is concerned. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Cocaine Mitch watching Senate results 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 56 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: I don't see how either side can call it a major victory. Both did exactly what was projected. Both won some key races, both loss some. Getting the house is very important for the democrats, but that was always going to be the case. It wasn't exactly what was projected though, in fact it was quite different. A blue wave was projected for months. A complete repudiation of Trump was promised by the talking heads and pundits all pushing "Orange Man Bad". And now we see (again) that all the early projections and polls were waaaaay skewed towards the D to the point of being useless. In the end you're right that it was a normal midterm result with historic turnout - but it wasn't predicted to be that. At all. The right gained (near historic levels) in the Senate for a midterm, and lost the House while giving up less seats than both 44 and 42. Trump will take a big victory lap on this, especially when he discusses his rallies in relation to the Senate turnout. Here comes the president now... (As 45 just mentioned, and often left out of the analysis, 40+ house GOP retirements helped set this up. If you follow the DS thread, you'll know those 40+ GOPers were compromised elements forced into submission. Showing us again where Trump really stands. It's not with the GOP, he dismantled it entirely - at the risk of control of the House) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Here comes the president now... (As 45 just mentioned, and often left out of the analysis, 40+ house GOP retirements helped set this up. If you follow the DS thread, you'll know those 40+ GOPers were compromised elements forced into submission. Showing us again where Trump really stands. It's not with the GOP, he dismantled it entirely - at the risk of control of the House) I wonder if he will now move Sessions out............ He needs a wartime consigliere. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, B-Man said: I wonder if he will now move Sessions out............ He needs a wartime consigliere.. He could. And if he does, it'll be this week or next at the latest. That said, I don't think he will. I'm still not at all sold on any of the Sessions noise, never have been. He's had plenty of opportunity to remove him and hasn't. And while Trump has slammed him on Twitter, Sessions has been kicking ass (without any fanfare) in the DOJ on multiple fronts: leaking, trafficking, FISA abuse investigation... But we'll find out soon enough. I know a lot of people think it's coming. I'm just not in that camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Offered a bet of $1000 that Trump is impeached. When asked to define he said impeached. I explained the impeachment process and they proclaimed that the house will impeach him and he'll be done as president. So, I guess I shouldn't take that bet. And I'm entirely confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 None of this will matter with FBI if they wait until he is defeated and charges him after he leaves office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He could. And if he does, it'll be this week or next at the latest. That said, I don't think he will. I'm still not at all sold on any of the Sessions noise, never have been. He's had plenty of opportunity to remove him and hasn't. And while Trump has slammed him on Twitter, Sessions has been kicking ass (without any fanfare) in the DOJ on multiple fronts: leaking, trafficking, FISA abuse investigation... But we'll find out soon enough. I know a lot of people think it's coming. I'm just not in that camp. It's a much better play to keep sessions in the game and remove him when heat is down and Democrats get headlines going sideways for 3 reasons. Manipulate the news headlines Empower someone else the position that can fill out the next 6 years Provide fodder for the 2020 election as Dems try to subpoena Sessions to testify on whatever they think they can make look pretty and have Sessions sit there full bore, with a bump stock, back on them. If anyone at this point knows more than Sessions on the entire Congress I'd be amazed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Offered a bet of $1000 that Trump is impeached. When asked to define he said impeached. I explained the impeachment process and they proclaimed that the house will impeach him and he'll be done as president. So, I guess I shouldn't take that bet. And I'm entirely confused Impeached based on what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Offered a bet of $1000 that Trump is impeached. When asked to define he said impeached. I explained the impeachment process and they proclaimed that the house will impeach him and he'll be done as president. So, I guess I shouldn't take that bet. And I'm entirely confused Yes, getting "impeached" is like being indicted, not convicted, which the Senate can only do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Just now, Dante said: Impeached based on what? That's what I asked. He just said "you just wait, they'll get him.". Then cried about the great blue wave until I just walked away. 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Yes, getting "impeached" is like being indicted, not convicted, which the Senate can only do. But how the hell can you take that bet? The guy is on par with you. And I have no way to argue against someone because double dumbass (as Tommy says) works too well for nitwits. Can you call him and advise him to take the bet as legally defined? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: That's what I asked. He just said "you just wait, they'll get him.". Then cried about the great blue wave until I just walked away. But how the hell can you take that bet? The guy is on par with you. And I have no way to argue against someone because double dumbass (as Tommy says) works too well for nitwits. Can you call him and advise him to take the bet as legally defined? First off, Tom is an idiot and uses the double dumbass crap because he is a fool and has no real arguments aside from his pettifoggery. Have Tom call him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AWAY Stacie Abrams. Go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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