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Just now, BringBackOrton said:

You were the one saying you’d take the next Matt Stafford. I was saying passing on the next Manning for the next Stafford is bad, because the next Manning is clearly the way better QB and that’s kinda the most important position out there.

 

If Allen develops into Stafford, and Mahomes is Manning, we (the Bills) lose. Point blank.

The problem is you dont know who is the next Stafford and who is the next Manning at the time.......or for that matter the guy that is going to be out of the league in 3 years............and as CRAZY as this sounds?   Mahommes could fizzle after this year....I dont see it happening but it would not be the first time.   Right now Mahommes is playing great and we are a non playoff team with a raw rookie QB with no OL or weapons.......the Chiefs cant stop butter but are a high powered offense.....is the goal to be awesome in the regular season or actually win a championship (something Reid actually struggles with)

 

The end goal is to biuld a playoff team that has a chance to win a super bowl.......to me (despite the gawdy offensive regular season records right now) that depends on BALANCE of teams........

 

The rams were high powered last year.....they did not win the super bowl

 

The Eagles were great on offense AND defense....and won the super bowl

 

Right now our offense is putrid and our defense is good.......but it is a unfinished product

Just now, Warcodered said:

If only they all came clearly labeled like that for the draft.

Yep they should staple it to their forheads.....and also include a little note to not start the will be awesome guy in his first year and make sure you get the greatest show on turf around him when you do start him

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The Mahomes worship is a bit overboard, I think.  He's helped greatly by the plethora of weapons he has to take advantage of.   If Nathan Peterman had that same supporting cast...well, he's

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All I know is that if Allen had half the production of Mahomes, we’d all be walking around with massive erections.

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3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

 

If Allen develops into Stafford, and Mahomes is Manning, we (the Bills) lose. Point blank.

 

I would suggest it’s very likely the trade down with KC is “lost”already...

 

Maybe Allen can be a Nick Foles who won a SB last year...

 

I would be happy with one..I’m not getting any younger..

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

I would suggest it’s very likely the trade down with KC is “lost”already...

 

Maybe Allen can be a Nick Foles who won a SB last year...

 

I would be happy with one..I’m not getting any younger..

 

 

 

Regulating Allen to a backup level QB without even completing his rookie season?

 

OK.....

 

You do realize that QBs mature at different rates and Allen was very raw to begin with.......the bills didnt give him protection or talent at the pass catcher position......but we are supposed to write his final chapter now?

 

I think I will wait

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5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The problem is you dont know who is the next Stafford and who is the next Manning at the time.......or for that matter the guy that is going to be out of the league in 3 years............and as CRAZY as this sounds?   Mahommes could fizzle after this year....I dont see it happening but it would not be the first time.   Right now Mahommes is playing great and we are a non playoff team with a raw rookie QB with no OL or weapons.......the Chiefs cant stop butter but are a high powered offense.....is the goal to be awesome in the regular season or actually win a championship (something Reid actually struggles with)

 

The end goal is to biuld a playoff team that has a chance to win a super bowl.......to me (despite the gawdy offensive regular season records right now) that depends on BALANCE of teams........

 

The rams were high powered last year.....they did not win the super bowl

 

The Eagles were great on offense AND defense....and won the super bowl

 

Right now our offense is putrid and our defense is good.......but it is a unfinished product

Yep they should staple it to their forheads.....and also include a little note to not start the will be awesome guy in his first year and make sure you get the greatest show on turf around him when you do start him

It’s more likely Allen fizzles than Mahomes at this point John. You don’t get to play the probability game when it suits you.

 

I’m glad you’re happy with our QB and our team. I wish the Bills were 8-2 with an MVP candidate QB. I think we could have been if we took the right guy.

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It’s more likely Allen fizzles than Mahomes at this point John. You don’t get to play the probability game when it suits you.

 

I’m glad you’re happy with our QB and our team. I wish the Bills were 8-2 with an MVP candidate QB. I think we could have been if we took the right guy.

Probably would have thrown Mahommes to the wolves just like we did with Allen....and we would probably have the same result because the KC offense would put EVERY SINGLE PLAYER OF OURS on the bench

 

And Allen has not really got going yet to even have him fizzle.......still very early

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2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Regulating Allen to a backup level QB without even completing his rookie season?

 

OK.....

 

You do realize that QBs mature at different rates and Allen was very raw to begin with.......the bills didnt give him protection or talent at the pass catcher position......but we are supposed to write his final chapter now?

 

I think I will wait

 

If he wins a SB for the Bills, I don’t care if he is a starter, regular back up or Trent Dilfer

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Probably would have thrown Mahommes to the wolves just like we did with Allen....and we would probably have the same result because the KC offense would put EVERY SINGLE PLAYER OF OURS on the bench

 

And Allen has not really got going yet to even have him fizzle.......still very early

You’re right. Allen might just be bad forever. A chilling thought. 

 

Mahomes would have been behind Tyrod. Probably wouldn’t trade away our LT. Maybe wouldn’t trade our #1 WR in camp. Maybe wouldn’t decide to lose on purpose year 2 because the QB was already on the roster. Who knows?

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1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

You’re right. Allen might just be bad forever. A chilling thought. 

 

Mahomes would have been behind Tyrod. Probably wouldn’t trade away our LT. Maybe wouldn’t trade our #1 WR in camp. Maybe wouldn’t decide to lose on purpose year 2 because the QB was already on the roster. Who knows?

Do you REALLY think Tyrod plays over Mahommes?  Come on man......McD could not WAIT to bench Tyrod hence the 5 interception game

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8 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

You’re right. Allen might just be bad forever. A chilling thought. 

 

Mahomes would have been behind Tyrod. Probably wouldn’t trade away our LT. Maybe wouldn’t trade our #1 WR in camp. Maybe wouldn’t decide to lose on purpose year 2 because the QB was already on the roster. Who knows?

might, probably, maybe, maybe

 

I'm pretty sure a lot of things might of happened and may happen.

 

There was no giant Neon sign saying Mahomes would be good. McDermott had what less than 6 months on the job at that point not to mention the draft technically isn't his job. Even if it was his job what did he do he got a first and a third for the following draft where he would have time to research his pick in what has supposed to of been a great year for QBs.

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8 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

might, probably, maybe, maybe

 

I'm pretty sure a lot of things might of happened and may happen.

 

There was no giant Neon sign saying Mahomes would be good. McDermott had what less than 6 months on the job at that point not to mention the draft technically isn't his job. Even if it was his job what did he do he got a first and a third for the following draft where he would have time to research his pick in what has supposed to of been a great year for QBs.

Okay. If Allen busts and McD is fired, I guess it’s all gravy because he had his hands tied about taking a QB with a top 8 pick.

 

He had time to research Tre White but not a QB. We all know one CB wins Super Bowls.

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5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Okay. If Allen busts and McD is fired, I guess it’s all gravy because he had his hands tied about taking a QB with a top 8 pick.

 

He had time to research Tre White but not a QB. We all know one CB wins Super Bowls.

You said it yourself McD's fate is tied to Allen's just like it would of been to any QB he took in the first round last year. Makes sense to me that he'd take some good picks for the next year instead of tying his fate to a QB whose season ended before he was even hired.

 

Also it's not hard to imagine he had more knowledge of a defensive prospect since he'd been the DC at Carolina.

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58 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

You were the one saying you’d take the next Matt Stafford. I was saying passing on the next Manning for the next Stafford is bad, because the next Manning is clearly the way better QB and that’s kinda the most important position out there.

 

If Allen develops into Stafford, and Mahomes is Manning, we (the Bills) lose. Point blank.

 

Manning was 1 and Done and NFL record 9 times with the Colts.

 

He shattered NFL offensive records in 2013 with highest scoring offense in history...then got blown out by the Defensive Seahawks 41-8 in Super Bowl.  

 

2015 Manning gets his 2nd SB trophy, but as the lowest rated passer in the NFL that year and worst statistical performance of any winning QB in NFL history...but Broncos D and run game got them there and the trophy.

 

So, I think you’re over exaggerating Manning quite a bit here.  Regular season monster, playoff decliner.  I’d take Kurt Warner in playoffs in a heartbeat over Manning.  

 

More importantly, I would take a good offense and a great defense all day long over an elite offense and below average defense.   If Stafford and Tre equalled good offense and Good D...I would take that over what Manning did most years....which was go home 9 times in the first playoff game and choke in the SB with the greatest offense in NFL history.  If not for that Denver D in 2015, his brother would have more rings than him and his brother sucks.

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Manning was 1 and Done and NFL record 9 times with the Colts.

 

He shattered NFL offensive records in 2013 with highest scoring offense in history...then got blown out by the Defensive Seahawks 41-8 in Super Bowl.  

 

2015 Manning gets his 2nd SB trophy, but as the lowest rated passer in the NFL that year and worst statistical performance of any winning QB in NFL history...but Broncos D and run game got them there and the trophy.

 

So, I think you’re over exaggerating Manning quite a bit here.  Regular season monster, playoff decliner.  I’d take Kurt Warner in playoffs in a heartbeat over Manning.  

 

More importantly, I would take a good offense and a great defense all day long over an elite offense and below average defense.   If Stafford and Tre equalled good offense and Good D...I would take that over what Manning did most years....which was go home 9 times in the first playoff game and choke in the SB with the greatest offense in NFL history.  If not for that Denver D in 2015, his brother would have more rings than him and his brother sucks.

I’d take one and done over not making the playoffs. Which Stafford has done how many times in his career?

 

You can’t win the Super Bowl without making the playoffs. Statistically impossible, actually.

 

And Peyton Manning is a surefire HoF QB. Matt Stafford is a good for his era QB. I always take HoF QB over good QB. 

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Is it me or did @SDS specifically ask that this thread not devolve into another 'Woe is me. Allen sucks. We should have picked Mahomes!" thread.

 

I mean, even if you're going to dismiss a request by an OP, maybe be more respectful to the wishes of the guy who literally created and hosts this message board.

 

Just a suggestion. There are plenty of places to boo-hoo over Allen.

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3 hours ago, TheElectricCompany said:

 

To say that "defenses will adjust to him" is hilarious. 

What NFL defense is shutting down any top 10 passing attack?

His two losses this year are when they scored 40 and 51 points! 

 

 

Hmmmmm...#1 passing attack and highest scoring offense in NFL history in 2007 put up just 14 points on Giants and lost SB.

 

Same elite offense put up 17 a few years later against same Giants and lost SB.

 

2013, Manning and Broncos shatter all scoring and passing records Pats set in 2007...then get blown out in Super Bowl 41-8 by Seahawks.  

 

These aren’t top 10 in league, these are among top 10 and both the top 2 in history. 

 

So to answer your question...Giants (twice) and Seahawks for starters.

 

Side Note:  Top 5 offenses in NFL History 0-3 in SB and two of them never made the SB.

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Last night's game was the first time I had seen Mahomes play.  I had read the articles and seen the talking heads raving about him but was skeptical.  The kid can play.  Two of the most respected defensive minds in the game over the past several decades have won their games against the Chiefs this year but could barely slow down the KC offense.

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32 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Dude threw a no look pass for a strike today against Baltimore.

 

That's impressive AF. 

 

He was ridiculous today against the Ravens!  He's in the MVP lead. 

 

 

 

Kansas City Chiefs 27, Baltimore Ravens 24 (OT)

1. You can only keep a Ferrari stuck in traffic for so long. After cruising through the first two quarters, Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes was stymied for the first three possessions of the second half, getting battered by Baltimore defenders left and right, throwing for just 27 yards after the halftime break. Then Mahomes hit the gas pedal. The play of the game came on a fourth-and-9 with the Chiefs trailing by seven points with 1:29 remaining. Mahomes scrambled away from the rush and tossed across his body to find Tyreek Hill downfield for a 48-yard bomb. The quarterback tossed a touchdown to tie the game and used his arm to set up the game-winning field goal in overtime. Mahomes earned every bit of his 377 yards passing on the day. The QB was clobbered repeatedly by creative Baltimore blitzes, getting hit 15 times (five by Matt Judon) and sacked thrice. Credit the Ravens defense for corralling the Chiefs for long spells of the second half. But when magic was needed, magic is what K.C. got from Mahomes, who several-times weaved around rushers to find streaking receivers. The second-year signal-caller completes throws others can only dream of attempting. Against the league's top-ranked defense, Mahomes proved he could win a playoff-type game.
 
2. Lamar Jackson continues to make strides as the Ravens starting quarterback. Once again Baltimore's run game dominated for stretches, including an eight-play, 75-yard touchdown drive in the second quarter, all earned on the ground. For the first time since Jackson took over, the Ravens were held under 200 yards rushing, coming up just shy, at 198. The rookie was up-and-down passing, but found strides in the second-half. The run-game keeps Jackson in manageable down and distances. Of his 13 completions, 12 went for first downs or scores. Jackson, who threw two TD passes, has done enough to earn another start when Joe Flacco returns from injury. The Ravens' offense is much more difficult to defend when the rookie starts. However, there will be questions about Jackson's ability to run end-of-game drives. Jackson was strip-sacked by Justin Houston with under 35 seconds left in the fourth quarter and the game tied. Only a Harrison Butker missed field goal gave the Ravens a chance in overtime. Would John Harbaugh have inserted Flacco at the of the game had he been active?
 
Jackson was also injured on Baltimore's final drive. Robert Griffin III entered to throw the final two heaves of the game that went incomplete. Jackson told reporters after the game that a player landed on his ankle, but he's fine.
 
3. The victory clinches a playoff spot for the Chiefs, who will face the Los Angeles Chargers for AFC West supremacy on Thursday night. With New England's loss Sunday, the 11-2 Chiefs also sit in the catbird seat for the AFC's No. 1 seed. Earning home-field advantage would be huge for K.C. Playing at Arrowhead is a daunting prospect for any opponent. The loss pushes the Ravens into a tie for the AFC's final wild-card spot. At 7-6, Harbaugh's team sits tied with the Dolphins, Colts, and Titans with three weeks to go. The Ravens close out facing the Bucs, Chargers, and Browns, likely needing at least two wins to reach the postseason.
 
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Reid: I thought this was Mahomes' 'best game'

 

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes exceeded the expectations of what he could be in his first year as a full-time starter a long time ago. On Sunday, he provided yet another indication of how special he's going to be in the near future. It wasn't so much the numbers he produced that stood out in a 27-24 overtime win over the Baltimore Ravens. It's that he once again willed his team to victory at a time when defeat easily could've been the result.

 

Of all the great moments Mahomes has provided thus far, nothing compares to what he did against Baltimore. He didn't have Kareem Hunt, as the Chiefs released the Pro Bowl running back on Nov. 30. He didn't have wide receiver Sammy Watkins, whose lingering foot injury reportedly will sideline him for the rest of the regular season. Mahomes also had to deal with a Baltimore defense that was the best in the NFL in points and total yards allowed coming into this contest.

 

Most quarterbacks would struggle with those circumstances. After throwing for 377 yards with two touchdowns and one interception, Mahomes reminded us once more that he's at his best when the odds are stacked against him. "He had the one interception but other than that, I thought this was his best game," said Chiefs head coach Andy Reid. "This defense was a huge challenge. These son of a guns were really good and have a really good package. They unloaded it at him and he kept bringing it. I'm proud of him for doing that. You can get a little defeated when you get hit as many times as he got hit but he stayed in there and kept firing."

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