This atrocity should be expected

[Steptide]

I post something similar every week after these losses. This season was never gonna be good. Last year was very fun making the playoffs, but it was also very flukey (the fumble by Matt Ryan against Atlanta, the Colts game, the Dalton pass etc) 

 

While I don't agree with every decision McBean have made since they were hired, they've also been a bit handcuffed by the dead cap money. I'll say it again, if we're sitting here a year from now in the same boat, then yes, fire McDermott, but this season was truly a "hit the reset button' year. McDermott and beane knew this, hence beane not wanting to give up a single draft pick in 19 to move up in the draft in 18. Don't fool yourselves, McDermott absolutely knew how bad we'd be this year. That doesn't mean they're not trying to win though. We have 9 games left and I expect alot more of what we've seen so far. Hopefully we can pull out a few wins and have a few good weeks, but don't hold.your breath 

[Success]

Good post.  It’s so hard for fans of this team, including me, to accept an all-in rebuild after all we have been through.  But that’s what this is, and it’s by design.

 

Everything is set up for this offseason.  They have to make all the right moves.  But I have to believe better days lie ahead.

[26CornerBlitz]

7 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I post something similar every week after these losses. This season was never gonna be good. Last year was very fun making the playoffs, but it was also very flukey (the fumble by Matt Ryan against Atlanta, the Colts game, the Dalton pass etc) 

 

While I don't agree with every decision McBean have made since they were hired, they've also been a bit handcuffed by the dead cap money. I'll say it again, if we're sitting here a year from now in the same boat, then yes, fire McDermott, but this season was truly a "hit the reset button' year. McDermott and beane knew this, hence beane not wanting to give up a single draft pick in 19 to move up in the draft in 18. Don't fool yourselves, McDermott absolutely knew how bad we'd be this year. That doesn't mean they're not trying to win though. We have 9 games left and I expect alot more of what we've seen so far. Hopefully we can pull out a few wins and have a few good weeks, but don't hold.your breath 

 

Nonsense. They created most of the dead cap by choice. 

[Boatdrinks]

4 minutes ago, Success said:

Good post.  It’s so hard for fans of this team, including me, to accept an all-in rebuild after all we have been through.  But that’s what this is, and it’s by design.

 

Everything is set up for this offseason.  They have to make all the right moves.  But I have to believe better days lie ahead.

I guess if you make moves that bring your team to the absolute bottom of the league, selling better days ahead gets a lot easier. 

[MAJBobby]

10 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I post something similar every week after these losses. This season was never gonna be good. Last year was very fun making the playoffs, but it was also very flukey (the fumble by Matt Ryan against Atlanta, the Colts game, the Dalton pass etc) 

 

While I don't agree with every decision McBean have made since they were hired, they've also been a bit handcuffed by the dead cap money. I'll say it again, if we're sitting here a year from now in the same boat, then yes, fire McDermott, but this season was truly a "hit the reset button' year. McDermott and beane knew this, hence beane not wanting to give up a single draft pick in 19 to move up in the draft in 18. Don't fool yourselves, McDermott absolutely knew how bad we'd be this year. That doesn't mean they're not trying to win though. We have 9 games left and I expect alot more of what we've seen so far. Hopefully we can pull out a few wins and have a few good weeks, but don't hold.your breath 

 

They created the dead cap. 

 

So if a coach is a good coach shouldnt he be better than 3-10 in games were his defense creates less than 2 TOs?

[Steptide]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Nonsense. They created most of the dead cap by choice. 

True, and I don't agree with all the players they let go, but they want to build this team they way they want, not with a prior gm's players 

[JoPar_v2]

While I agree with the OP insofar as I did not expect a repeat (or improvement) of last year, being “bad” is one thing. Being completely noncompetitive is another. Repeated blowouts, a historically bad offense, and coach who, frankly, is starting to sound insulting with his responses to questions are not acceptable (or “expected”) and NO ONE should be defending this. 

Edited October 21, 2018 by JoPar_v2

[Best Player Available]

 i don't know if McD knew how bad the team would be this year. 

 

enter into evidence the absolute incompetence of him and his GM. And, how they handled the QB situation for starters.

I read right here that Beane went after Anderson during the off season. And he said no thanks. Fast forword to now, and what

BS it must have taken to get him too sign.  A grade A scrub. 

 

The extra draft picks in 19 for the most part are late rounders. How have they been hitting on them so far? This was McD's second draft. 

[BillsFan130]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

They created the dead cap. 

 

So if a coach is a good coach shouldnt he be better than 3-10 in games were his defense creates less than 2 TOs?

That’s his record without getting 2 turnovers? That’s just sad

[Success]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

I guess if you make moves that bring your team to the absolute bottom of the league, selling better days ahead gets a lot easier. 

We’ll see how it works out.  Maybe they don’t know what they’re doing.

 

I’m also a baseball fan, and I think baseball fans are more used to the concept of sucking to eventually be good.

[Dr. K]

13 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I post something similar every week after these losses. This season was never gonna be good. Last year was very fun making the playoffs, but it was also very flukey (the fumble by Matt Ryan against Atlanta, the Colts game, the Dalton pass etc) 

 

While I don't agree with every decision McBean have made since they were hired, they've also been a bit handcuffed by the dead cap money. I'll say it again, if we're sitting here a year from now in the same boat, then yes, fire McDermott, but this season was truly a "hit the reset button' year. McDermott and beane knew this, hence beane not wanting to give up a single draft pick in 19 to move up in the draft in 18. Don't fool yourselves, McDermott absolutely knew how bad we'd be this year. That doesn't mean they're not trying to win though. We have 9 games left and I expect alot more of what we've seen so far. Hopefully we can pull out a few wins and have a few good weeks, but don't hold.your breath 

Their problem is not dead cap money. Their problem is their ability to judge talent. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

11 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I post something similar every week after these losses. This season was never gonna be good. Last year was very fun making the playoffs, but it was also very flukey (the fumble by Matt Ryan against Atlanta, the Colts game, the Dalton pass etc) 

 

While I don't agree with every decision McBean have made since they were hired, they've also been a bit handcuffed by the dead cap money. I'll say it again, if we're sitting here a year from now in the same boat, then yes, fire McDermott, but this season was truly a "hit the reset button' year. McDermott and beane knew this, hence beane not wanting to give up a single draft pick in 19 to move up in the draft in 18. Don't fool yourselves, McDermott absolutely knew how bad we'd be this year. That doesn't mean they're not trying to win though. We have 9 games left and I expect alot more of what we've seen so far. Hopefully we can pull out a few wins and have a few good weeks, but don't hold.your breath 

You're giving McDermott and Beane too much credit.  Our continuing string of low priced coaches and GMs exemplifies the old adage "You get what you pay for."

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

That’s his record without getting 2 turnovers? That’s just sad

 

Yep it is. After today. 

 

1-6 when they force zero turnovers 

2-4 when they force 1 turnover 

Edited October 21, 2018 by MAJBobby

[swnybillsfan]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Nonsense. They created most of the dead cap by choice. 

yes they did. they got rid of talented players that did not fit what they wanted to do. they brought in guys that they thought would fit their culture rebuild. and they drafted players they want to go forward with. i have no problem with any of this, even the horrible record and damn near unwatchable football. i just wish i had faith in the vision of their football team going forward. this offense is horrendous, and i think they need to dedicate at least 75% of their resources to that side of the ball in the offseason. i just have this horrible feeling that the coach's vision is about running the ball and playing tough defense.

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, Success said:

We’ll see how it works out.  Maybe they don’t know what they’re doing.

 

I’m also a baseball fan, and I think baseball fans are more used to the concept of sucking to eventually be good.

It can work in baseball. The playing field for obtaining players isn’t a level one by design, but you can win with a bunch of young stars at one time. You’ll never keep it together long, but you can win a Championship that way. It doesn’t work in football though. It’s an easier leap from avaerage to good than from awful. 

[JoPar_v2]

1 minute ago, swnybillsfan said:

yes they did. they got rid of talented players that did not fit what they wanted to do. they brought in guys that they thought would fit their culture rebuild. and they drafted players they want to go forward with. i have no problem with any of this, even the horrible record and damn near unwatchable football. i just wish i had faith in the vision of their football team going forward. this offense is horrendous, and i think they need to dedicate at least 75% of their resources to that side of the ball in the offseason. i just have this horrible feeling that the coach's vision is about running the ball and playing tough defense.

 

What exactly is it that “they want to do”? 

[Real McClappy]

1 minute ago, swnybillsfan said:

yes they did. they got rid of talented players that did not fit what they wanted to do. they brought in guys that they thought would fit their culture rebuild. and they drafted players they want to go forward with. i have no problem with any of this, even the horrible record and damn near unwatchable football. i just wish i had faith in the vision of their football team going forward. this offense is horrendous, and i think they need to dedicate at least 75% of their resources to that side of the ball in the offseason. i just have this horrible feeling that the coach's vision is about running the ball and playing tough defense.

They truly have to. I know Bosa and Oliver are the popular choices with a heavy D draft next year but we have to go all in on Offense.

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Yep it is. After today. 

 

1-6 when they force zero turnovers 

2-4 when they force 1 turnover 

That’s just pathetic. Just shows how much he/the bills rely on multiple turnovers to win games

[swnybillsfan]

Just now, JoPar_v2 said:

 

What exactly is it that “they want to do”? 

i am going to say that the "what they want to do" is about scheme fit, attitude, and work ethic. we all know the big name guys they got rid of and the reasons behind the moves. they are looking for guys that are all in on the team aspect.

[swnybillsfan]

2 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

They truly have to. I know Bosa and Oliver are the popular choices with a heavy D draft next year but we have to go all in on Offense.

if they are in a position to draft one of those studs, i want them to trade down with some old, stodgy GM that is firmly planted in the 1980's and get a few extra picks to supplement our anemic offense. we need offensive skill players as well as linemen. in the draft and in free agency we need to pick up offensive talent early and often!

[Boatdrinks]

4 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

They truly have to. I know Bosa and Oliver are the popular choices with a heavy D draft next year but we have to go all in on Offense.

They have to go where the great players in the draft are. It’s D line high in 2018. Fix the offense by other means than the first round of the draft. 

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, swnybillsfan said:

i am going to say that the "what they want to do" is about scheme fit, attitude, and work ethic. we all know the big name guys they got rid of and the reasons behind the moves. they are looking for guys that are all in on the team aspect.

 

Screams Kelvin Benjamin and Halftim Retiree Davis 

[Bangarang]

BB created this dead cap problem just so he can create another cap problem when he gives out bloated contracts to mediocre players this offseason. Can’t wait.

Edited October 21, 2018 by Bangarang

[swnybillsfan]

8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Yep it is. After today. 

 

1-6 when they force zero turnovers 

2-4 when they force 1 turnover 

what's their record when they score 5 points or less?

[Roundybout]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Why does this need to be repeated time and time again? 

 

Its incredible. It's like people block it out of their minds because they don't want to believe it.

 

When you have trash contracts like the one given to Clay handed out like candy, that's what happens. 

[TheElectricCompany]

If this was all part of "the process", then Mcdermott and Beane are playing with fire. 

We are averaging 11 points per game. QBs, playmakers, offensive line, scheme/play calling are all terrible. 

I don't know how you could see such an offensive atrocity and think that this staff knows how build a consistent championship contender. 

Edited October 21, 2018 by TheElectricCompany

[MAJBobby]

Just now, swnybillsfan said:

what's their record when they score 5 points or less?

 

Shouldnt a good coach NOT need two turnovers to win football games?

[Ol Dirty B]

23 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I post something similar every week after these losses. This season was never gonna be good. Last year was very fun making the playoffs, but it was also very flukey (the fumble by Matt Ryan against Atlanta, the Colts game, the Dalton pass etc) 

 

While I don't agree with every decision McBean have made since they were hired, they've also been a bit handcuffed by the dead cap money. I'll say it again, if we're sitting here a year from now in the same boat, then yes, fire McDermott, but this season was truly a "hit the reset button' year. McDermott and beane knew this, hence beane not wanting to give up a single draft pick in 19 to move up in the draft in 18. Don't fool yourselves, McDermott absolutely knew how bad we'd be this year. That doesn't mean they're not trying to win though. We have 9 games left and I expect alot more of what we've seen so far. Hopefully we can pull out a few wins and have a few good weeks, but don't hold.your breath 

 

I don't know what I'd do if you couldn't tell me what to think. 

 

Check your PM's, I'm sending you my 401, fidelity, banking information, and social security number.

 

I'll let you handle all that now.

[SDS]

9 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Yep it is. After today. 

 

1-6 when they force zero turnovers 

2-4 when they force 1 turnover 

 

Differential is probably a better stat. No one uses just one side of the ball to make such observations. 

[swnybillsfan]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

Screams Kelvin Benjamin and Halftim Retiree Davis 

yeah, i see the absolute irony (hypocracy?) in this. gotta give one more offseason before we break out the torches and pitchforks. in the meantime, buy up some stock in the local beer distributors.

[NoSaint]

16 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Nonsense. They created most of the dead cap by choice. 

 

The narrative that they were screwed by the cap situation is one of the most frustrating... 

 

Poor guys having to deal with somethinf they created.

[4_kidd_4]

12 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

While I agree with the OP insofar as I did not expect a repeat (or improvement) of last year, being “bad” is one thing. Being completely noncompetitive is another. Repeated blowouts, a historically bad offense, and coach who, frankly, is starting to sound insulting with his responses to questions are not acceptable (or “expected”) and NO ONE should be defending this. 

 

This is pretty much exactly it for me too. We’re not just  bad, we are pretty much not even playing the same sport as the rest of the league out there.

[JoPar_v2]

2 minutes ago, swnybillsfan said:

i am going to say that the "what they want to do" is about scheme fit, attitude, and work ethic. we all know the big name guys they got rid of and the reasons behind the moves. they are looking for guys that are all in on the team aspect.

 

I am not going to presume any of the guys they’ve let walk or traded have a bad work ethic or attitude. And I don’t trust McDermott to be honest about that either. So those are unknowns as far as I am concerned.

 

As far as “scheme fit” as it applies to offense? They are on their 2nd coordinator in as many years, and this current one is well on his way out the door if judged by his performance. They have no offensive “scheme” beyond being absolutely lost and embarrassing. 

 

You’re just using the same stupid buzzwords McDermott uses to avoid ever answering any questions in a meaningful way.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

When you have trash contracts like the one given to Clay handed out like candy, that's what happens. 

So Watkins a trash contract?  Rookie Deal

Darby a Trash Contract? Rookie Deal

Ragland a Trash contract? Rookie Deal 

 

[Perry Turtle]

Just now, TheElectricCompany said:

If this was all part of "the process", then Mcdermott and Beane are playing with fire. 

We are averaging 11 points per game. QBs, playmakers, offensive line, scheme/play calling are all terrible. 

I don't know how you could see this and think that they are truly going to build a consistent championship contender. 

Hard to believe that they're going to go 0-60 in one off-season.  Not much salvageable on the offense here in the 2nd year of the process.

 

 

[swnybillsfan]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Shouldnt a good coach NOT need two turnovers to win football games?

shouldn't a good coach know that scoring points is what wins games? and maybe that this game is now centered around the forward pass...and people that catch those passes? i think we are on the same side here.

[Steptide]

1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I don't know what I'd do if you couldn't tell me what to think. 

 

Check your PM's, I'm sending you my 401, fidelity, banking information, and social security number.

 

I'll let you handle all that now.

Judging by fan reaction, it seems alot of fans are shocked by how bad this team is. Nobody should be surprised at how bad they are 

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

When you have trash contracts like the one given to Clay handed out like candy, that's what happens. 

 

And Clay wasnt that bad until the restructuring. But still not horrible in terms of value to performance until this year. 

[Steptide]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

The narrative that they were screwed by the cap situation is one of the most frustrating... 

 

Poor guys having to deal with somethinf they created.

Its not frustrating if you understand that they had this plan from the start. Get rid of the previous regime guys, and build their own regime. I don't agree with all of it. I still wish Watkins was here as well as some other players, but I will legitimately be shocked if we're in the same boat a year from now 

[Helpmenow]

2 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Judging by fan reaction, it seems alot of fans are shocked by how bad this team is. Nobody should be surprised at how bad they are 

Be competitive at least