H2o Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 30 minutes ago, RosenNOTchosen1 said: Our GM doesn't know how to use draft picks so what's the point? We have gotten quite a few starters out of the last two drafts. I think we'll be alright. This year is just not our year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 McCoy would've been worth more if we traded him yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I never wanted Shady traded. He is by far the best player we have an the only thing that makes this team watchable. ...I honestly don’t care anymore. Trade anybody. Trade everybody. Just get the season over with and start over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Unless Allen starts tearing it up. Not sure how this team attracts any good free agents without grossly overpaying 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I agree, but we don’t have much of value left. Maybe you can get a 4th for McCoy(if healthy) and a 5-7 for Benjamin. Hughes has played well, he might garner a 3rd. I’m not sure I break up this defense for a 3rd. The offense on the other hand, trade everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: What's the point. We're sold off all our best parts already and replaced them with worse players across the board. No point in acquiring draft picks. Our GM doesn't know how to use them. So at this point there is absolutely no reason for you to hang around...the team has no hope and they do not deserve YOUR fandom.... Door is thatttaaawaaay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Who we selling? Players that are not going to he here when offense is good? if thats what we are doing you have to add Lorax Kyle to any list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Who we selling? Players that are not going to he here when offense is good? if thats what we are doing you have to add Lorax Kyle to any list Lorax has been solid this year and we should extend him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Lorax has been solid this year and we should extend him So then we are not selling assets that will not be here by the time the offense is good? If you want to extend a 35 year old LBer Edited October 21, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: We have 6 starters from the past two drafts. White, Dawkins, Milano, Edmunds, Johnson, and Allen. Neal is depth. How many would start for other teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: So then we are not selling assets that will not be here by the time the offense is good? I realize that you are falling on the negative side of this which i fine..... but with 10 draft picks (so far) and 90 million in cap space AND a QB with a year under his NFL belt this offense could in fact improve next year. It HAS happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, iinii said: How many would start for other teams? I'd argue, all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, iinii said: How many would start for other teams? Pretty much all of them in my opinion......Dawkins would probably start at OG instead of OT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: What's the point. We're sold off all our best parts already and replaced them with worse players across the board. No point in acquiring draft picks. Our GM doesn't know how to use them. Edmunds, Taron Johnson, Milano, Dawkins, Hyde, and Tre White day hello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Lorax has been solid this year and we should extend him Too old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I realize that you are falling on the negative side of this which i fine..... but with 10 draft picks (so far) and 90 million in cap space AND a QB with a year under his NFL belt this offense could in fact improve next year. It HAS happened. First I asked a simple question. Because a fire sale implies selling assets. Two this offense is SO far away there isnt enough in UFA to fix. So now depending on Rookies. So reality is the offense isnt good until 2020. Now you have a 37-38 Lorax (gone) and Williams (gone). So I asked how far people want to go. What their criteria are because that adds different names to the sell list. Lets not forget the lockout that will happen at end of 2020 Edited October 21, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: I'd argue, all of them. Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Can we trade ownership? What if you get Mark 'What? Me worry?' Davis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: First I asked a simple question. Because a fire sale implies selling assets. Two this offense is SO far away there isnt enough in UFA to fix. So now depending on Rookies. So reality is the offense isnt good until 2020. Now you have a 37-38 Lorax (gone) and Williams (gone). So I asked how far people want to go. What their criteria are because that adds different names to the sell list For the offense to improve it would not take THAT many assets....we just need players at key positions to turn in solid performances game to game...... We have no pass catcher on this team that can consistantly get separation and catch contested balls.......start there Our offensive line does not dominant running lanes.....they cannot get out and block on screens.....our best offensive linemen should be playing at LG and is instead at LT......if we are gonna continue to play him there we HAVE to put a better LG next to him.......we need like three offensive linemen but that can be done. Our offense did not do well today but they do well overall and dont need that much help......if we had a offense that could just socre 21 points a game we would think they were just awesome week to week. We need playmakers....we dont have them.....they need to find them.....and guy that we count to be playmakers like KB need to go if we can get anything for them. 6 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: Too old I care about on field performance.....and frankly he has been good....and he would be inexpensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: For the offense to improve it would not take THAT many assets....we just need players at key positions to turn in solid performances game to game...... We have no pass catcher on this team that can consistantly get separation and catch contested balls.......start there Our offensive line does not dominant running lanes.....they cannot get out and block on screens.....our best offensive linemen should be playing at LG and is instead at LT......if we are gonna continue to play him there we HAVE to put a better LG next to him.......we need like three offensive linemen but that can be done. Our offense did not do well today but they do well overall and dont need that much help......if we had a offense that could just socre 21 points a game we would think they were just awesome week to week. We need playmakers....we dont have them.....they need to find them.....and guy that we count to be playmakers like KB need to go if we can get anything for them. They have 1940 stats in a Modern Football where ALL Rules are geared to helping. And you want to tell me they are not that far off and dont need much help??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, H2o said: We have gotten quite a few starters out of the last two drafts. I think we'll be alright. This year is just not our year. Yes, indeed we have gotten a few starters - White DEFENSE, Dawkins DEFENSE, Milano DEFENSE, Edmunds DEFENSE, Johnson DEFENSE, and Allen Offense. Neal DEFENSE is depth. Do you see the pattern here? There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE to suggest that McBeane have an eye for the Offensive side of the ball. Here are some offensive picks they have made so far - Vontae Davis, Cory Coleman, Jeremy Kerley, Anquan Boldin, AJ McCarron. How did they work out? Edited October 21, 2018 by cd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: What's the point. We're sold off all our best parts already and replaced them with worse players across the board. No point in acquiring draft picks. Our GM doesn't know how to use them. How’s that exactly? Allen edmunds Phillips and Johnson are all contributing, and so is Dawkins Milano and White from the year before? Lots of reports that he was feeding us info on who Carolina liked last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: They have 1940 stats in a Modern Football where ALL Rules are geared to helping. And you want to tell me they are not that far off and dont need much help??? Debol might not be the answer either......so there is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Bring in Darcy Regier as special assistant to GM Beane. Buffalo sports fans will get the hint as to the Bills' intentions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: Debol might not be the answer either......so there is that. And another worrisome trend McD first choice Said No and now Fired twice McD second choice Fired McD thierd Choice Daboll??? yeah pretty freaking concerning there too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: And another worrisome trend McD first choice Said No and now Fired twice McD second choice Fired McD thierd Choice Daboll??? yeah pretty freaking concerning there too So many worrisome concerns there. Anything else you're concerned about, Bob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: So many worrisome concerns there. Anything else you're concerned about, Bob? Pretty much ANYTHING to do with this offense and QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) We have little to no talent on offense. We literally only have 2 or 3 players max that you can really call young players part of the future (Allen, Dawkins and maybe Zay). You hope Allen is the future but it’s not off to a promising start and Zay looks like a 3rd WR at best so far. This offense is going to be really bad again next year. There’s no way this regime can overhaul that entire unit in one offseason. More than likely it’s going to be the downfall of McD and BB. Edited October 21, 2018 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) Look for them to buy, not sell. When the "McCoy back to Philly?" bullsh*t started, the word from Buffalo was that they have him firmly placed in their plans for the future. Same with Hughes. They're done trimming the roster, they're looking to add, not subtract. What are they gonna get for KB? A bag of Skittles? He walks in the off-season but right now they literally have no one else to throw to so he may as well play out the rest of the season. I've got no issue with this team losing games. My issue is these blowout losses. Can't keep having these. They're demoralizing. They're gonna cause players to check out, doesn't matter who the coach is, or the GM, or the owners, etc. You have to stay somewhat competitive even though you're in a rebuild otherwise your entire culture becomes, "Why should we ball out? The other half of the team doesn't, why should we?" They have to take the field with some belief that they can win or at least keep it interesting. Keep this up and they'll be taking the field wondering how much longer they're stuck in Buffalo until they can leave. Edited October 21, 2018 by blacklabel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 56 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I realize that you are falling on the negative side of this which i fine..... but with 10 draft picks (so far) and 90 million in cap space AND a QB with a year under his NFL belt this offense could in fact improve next year. It HAS happened. other teams have draft picks and cap space.....the Bills will be in competition for FAs....not everyone is just going to come to Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauleeeWalnuts Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 3 hours ago, H2o said: In light of today's loss we now sit at 2-5. There is no possible way we run off enough wins to make any sort of noise this year. Now is time to deep look at the roster and sell out. Benjamin if you can get anything for him, ask McCoy what he wants to do because you owe him that much, do the same for Hughes, and let the young players get as much experience as possible. This team is going nowhere so we might as well get what we can for the guys who aren't part of the long-term plans. They owe McCoy zero, he makes a lot of money for a guy who is far from elite and constantly hurt. They have no one else worth trading away for anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 We need to make sure we get a top 5 pick. We can probably do that without a fire sale, but picking up a few picks along the way doesn’t hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 3 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: We have 6 starters from the past two drafts. White, Dawkins, Milano, Edmunds, Johnson, and Allen. Neal is depth. Given that they dumped everyone and completely started over it'll take 3 more good drafts to get a decent team together. If Allen pans out of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 22, 2018 Author Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, cd1 said: Yes, indeed we have gotten a few starters - White DEFENSE, Dawkins DEFENSE, Milano DEFENSE, Edmunds DEFENSE, Johnson DEFENSE, and Allen Offense. Neal DEFENSE is depth. Do you see the pattern here? There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE to suggest that McBeane have an eye for the Offensive side of the ball. Here are some offensive picks they have made so far - Vontae Davis, Cory Coleman, Jeremy Kerley, Anquan Boldin, AJ McCarron. How did they work out? I guess you are counting Dawkins as "defense" because he defends our QB? I still think Zay is starting to develop as well. 2 hours ago, PaulieYayo said: They owe McCoy zero, he makes a lot of money for a guy who is far from elite and constantly hurt. They have no one else worth trading away for anything McCoy has been one of the best backs in the league the last two years, even with all of fhe tread on those tires. He still looks like he has his burst and lateral quickness this year, just no running lanes. Edited October 22, 2018 by H2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauleeeWalnuts Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, H2o said: I guess you are counting Dawkins as "defense" because he defends our QB? I still think Zay is starting to develope as well. McCoy has been one of the best backs in the league the last two years, even with all of fhe tread on those tires. He still looks like he has his burst and lateral quickness this year, just no running lanes. Zero touchdowns, zero 100 yard games through 7 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 9 hours ago, H2o said: In light of today's loss we now sit at 2-5. There is no possible way we run off enough wins to make any sort of noise this year. Now is time to deep look at the roster and sell out. Benjamin if you can get anything for him, ask McCoy what he wants to do because you owe him that much, do the same for Hughes, and let the young players get as much experience as possible. This team is going nowhere so we might as well get what we can for the guys who aren't part of the long-term plans. Why wouldn't Hughes be part of the long term. DEs can play for a long time. If we can trade Benjamin and McCoy I would. 9 hours ago, jrober38 said: What's the point. We're sold off all our best parts already and replaced them with worse players across the board. No point in acquiring draft picks. Our GM doesn't know how to use them. Yes White, Dawkins, Milano, Edmunds, Philips, Taron Johnson are all terrible and Allen could be the best of all When we put an offense around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 9 hours ago, TheElectricCompany said: I'm getting real nervous about Mcdermott. Is he ever going to be able to develop a top tier offense? Hope is fading.... why is this a concern? They chose to focus on the defense (which I would not have done) and didn't upgrade the offense besides OC. The offense is HIGHLY UNLIKELY to improve during the season. We are going to have to wait till next year for the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 You guys get how businesses work right? You have to have something that someone else would want to sell it. The ***** is on this roster someone else would want? We have Tre, Edmunds.... Allen but no one would give up much for him. The other two cant be traded. They have nothing they can get a decent return on, and the strong point has been the returns this regime has gotten on trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 9 hours ago, joesixpack said: Question: Have they even really brought ANYONE in for the offense to this point? Dawkins, Allen ... Wait til next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 15 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Yes White, Dawkins, Milano, Edmunds, Philips, Taron Johnson are all terrible and Allen could be the best of all When we put an offense around him. Beane didn't draft half of those guys. And Allen won't be the best of them all. I try to be an optimist but when I read ***** like this I revert to not being one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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