Anderson better mentor for Allen? I think so.

[Thick or thin]

I apologize if this is being discussed in another thread.

     Just curious about what everyone else thinks. Most of us knew we weren’t going to be all that good this year. I was hoping for competitive and maybe some lucky bounces.

    Now I am starting to really like the idea of Anderson as our QB. Originally Josh Allen was supposed to sit on the bench and learn from a vet. That didn’t happen. Now, due to injury it has been forced on him and the team.

     I personally think Anderson is going to be better for Allen than McCarron would have been. I also think, given some time in the playbook Anderson offers us a better chance to win. Allen said he is looking at this as a blessing in disguise. I would have to agree. 

 

Thoughts?

[oldmanfan]

Anderson has more experience.  From that standpoint might be better in the film room or sideline.  But on the field, having Allen watch him vs. McCarron.  Toss up.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

I don’t mind Anderson as a mentor, but I don’t want him on the field.  He wasn’t even any good when he was 10 years younger.  Guess anyone is better that who’s his face though...

[GoBills808]

I think something weird went down with the whole McCarron situation re: vet presence 'mentor' of Allen aspect...totally unfounded and unconfirmed, but I have a feeling that he was never going to be the kind of guy a rookie QB needs to have in his corner. In that respect, Anderson is going to be 10x better.

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, Thick or thin said:

I apologize if this is being discussed in another thread.

     Just curious about what everyone else thinks. Most of us knew we weren’t going to be all that good this year. I was hoping for competitive and maybe some lucky bounces.

    Now I am starting to really like the idea of Anderson as our QB. Originally Josh Allen was supposed to sit on the bench and learn from a vet. That didn’t happen. Now, due to injury it has been forced on him and the team.

     I personally think Anderson is going to be better for Allen than McCarron would have been. I also think, given some time in the playbook Anderson offers us a better chance to win. Allen said he is looking at this as a blessing in disguise. I would have to agree. 

 

Thoughts?

 

 

oy.....

[Thick or thin]

11 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

I don’t mind Anderson as a mentor, but I don’t want him on the field.  He wasn’t even any good when he was 10 years younger.  Guess anyone is better that who’s his face though...

 

11 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

I don’t mind Anderson as a mentor, but I don’t want him on the field.  He wasn’t even any good when he was 10 years younger.  Guess anyone is better that who’s his face though...

He had one good year right? He has more experience and can hopefully dissect defenses better. I’m hopeful. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

I’m warming up to the idea even though I’d rather see Allen playing in order to develop, but under the circumstances this hopefully provides some temporary stability 

[PlayoffsPlease]

Anderson is the Kenny Bania of QB Mentors. 

[#34fan]

I'm not feeling this "mentor" situation at all... For one thing, Allen isn't the type to need a mentor... Secondly, their personalities may not be conducive to that

 

type of arrangement. If Derek turns out to be effective, Josh may not like it one bit... Even if Derek is mediocre, Josh may not appreciate the threat he poses.

 

I like Anderson, but bringing him in with "mentoring" expectations doesn't seem well thought-out. -Or necessary.

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2018 by #34fan

[FearLess Price]

Having a mentor has really helped Darnold. When you have a player/coach like McCown, your rookie QB gets invaluable QB hacks and years of NFL insight.

[Warcodered]

4 hours ago, #34fan said:

I'm not feeling this "mentor" situation at all... For one thing, Allen isn't the type to need a mentor... Secondly, their personalities may not be conducive to that

 

type of arrangement. If Derek turns out to be effective, Josh may not like it one bit... Even if Derek is mediocre, Josh may not appreciate the threat he poses.

 

I like Anderson, but bringing him in with "mentoring" expectations doesn't seem well thought-out. -Or necessary.

 

 

 

He's a 35 year old Vet whose job for the last 7 years was to backup/mentor a young QB that's about as non threatening and experienced as you're going to get.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

8 hours ago, Thick or thin said:

I apologize if this is being discussed in another thread.

     Just curious about what everyone else thinks. Most of us knew we weren’t going to be all that good this year. I was hoping for competitive and maybe some lucky bounces.

    Now I am starting to really like the idea of Anderson as our QB. Originally Josh Allen was supposed to sit on the bench and learn from a vet. That didn’t happen. Now, due to injury it has been forced on him and the team.

     I personally think Anderson is going to be better for Allen than McCarron would have been. I also think, given some time in the playbook Anderson offers us a better chance to win. Allen said he is looking at this as a blessing in disguise. I would have to agree. 

 

Thoughts?

 

Agree 110%

 

 

[PlayoffsPlease]

4 hours ago, FearLess Price said:

Having a mentor has really helped Darnold. When you have a player/coach like McCown, your rookie QB gets invaluable QB hacks and years of NFL insight.

And you know this how? 

[nucci]

The mentor thing is so overused and overrated...most QBs prefer to play and don't want to give up their position to  another QB

[SoTier]

The idea that Allen needs a "mentor" in the person of a veteran QB is utter nonsense.  His QB coach is supposed to be his mentor.  What Allen needs is a competent QB coach not David Culley,  who has never played QB in the NFL (or apparently any other position), has never been a QB coach in the NFL, and whose last stint as an actual QB coach was 30 years ago at SW Louisiana State.

 

Having a competent veteran QB as an additional mentor would be a bonus, but I don't think that Derek Anderson, a street FA who's started 4 games in the last 7 years and only had 1 successful season as a starter (2007), qualifies as a "competent veteran QB".  Apparently, his Carolina connection (7 years as Cam Newton's backup) trumps all other considerations, so the Bills pursued Anderson since the summer to the exclusion of all other candidates -- another example of the Bills having become the refuge for ex-Carolina players and coaches in need of a paycheck.

Edited October 19, 2018 by SoTier

[TigerJ]

I think Anderson can be an excellent mentor.  He has been around the game, and even though he has not started much lately, he has seen and adopted the attitudes and patters that lead to success, and can model the same for Josh Allen.  Reportedly, he already has.  There is a chance he could be Buffalo's Josh McCown, who when he did start last year was very effective, and is apparently serving effectively in a mentor role for Sam Darnold.  I'm not very optimistic about Sunday though, as Anderson really hasn't had enough time to fully assimilate Brian Daboll's system or shake of the rust.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 The idea that Allen needs a "mentor" in the person of a veteran QB is utter nonsense.  His QB coach is supposed to be his mentor.  What Allen needs is a competent QB coach not David Culley,  who has never played QB in the NFL (or apparently any other position), has never been a QB coach in the NFL, and whose last stint as an actual QB coach was 30 years ago at SW Louisiana State.

 

 Having a competent veteran QB as an additional mentor would be a bonus, but I don't think that Derek Anderson, a street FA who's started 4 games in the last 7 years and only had 1 successful season as a starter (2007), qualifies as a "competent veteran QB".  Apparently, his Carolina connection (7 years as Cam Newton's backup) trumps all other considerations, so the Bills pursued Anderson since the summer to the exclusion of all other candidates -- another example of the Bills having become the refuge for ex-Carolina players and coaches in need of a paycheck.

 

You sound conflicted. ?

 

It’s OK to just say you don’t believe in Culley. I’ve never met the guy and know little about him, but on the surface it’s easy to question his qualifications. Developing Allen is arguably the most important task this entire team faces. We should have the best person money can buy to make that happen. 

[SoTier]

13 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

You sound conflicted. ?

 

It’s OK to just say you don’t believe in Culley. I’ve never met the guy and know little about him, but on the surface it’s easy to question his qualifications. Developing Allen is arguably the most important task this entire team faces. We should have the best person money can buy to make that happen. 

 

I'm not "conflicted" at all.  The job of mentor belongs to the QB coach.  If there's a veteran QB on the team who is willing to offer the rookie advice that's great but that's NOT HIS JOB.   Too many posters here are posting stuff as if it's Anderson's job to counsel Allen, and it's not.

 

I'm afraid that the Bills have gone back to their old ways of hiring the cheapest assistant coaches they can after the Pegula's short term extravagance with Rex Ryan and his entourage, hence crappy offensive coaches like Dennison, Daboll, and Culley among others.

 

 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

I'm not "conflicted" at all.  The job of mentor belongs to the QB coach.  If there's a veteran QB on the team who is willing to offer the rookie advice that's great but that's NOT HIS JOB.   Too many posters here are posting stuff as if it's Anderson's job to counsel Allen, and it's not.

 

I'm afraid that the Bills have gone back to their old ways of hiring the cheapest assistant coaches they can after the Pegula's short term extravagance with Rex Ryan and his entourage, hence crappy offensive coaches like Dennison, Daboll, and Culley among others.

 

 

 

Well, we can just agree to disagree, then. Cheap? I disagreed with the rest, but you really lost me at cheap. It’s a new day. 

[Koko78]

I like the idea of a low-end former starter coming in as a mentor/backup. Anderson (hopefully) is one of those guys who had to do the extra mental and film work to make up for a lack of raw physical talent/ability. He should be able to teach Allen how to better break down defenses, how to recognize tendencies and coverages, what his reads are, how to react to those reads, when he should be calling an audible, and how to watch film.

 

It was a good sign when I saw Allen quoted somewhere that when he came in on Anderson's first day as a Bill, Derek had already been there for several hours, already worked out, and was watching game film. That's the type of work ethic that should be rubbing off on a young QB (regardless of talent level.)

Edited October 19, 2018 by Koko78

[FearLess Price]

4 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

And you know this how? 

 

Because I live in NJ and my best friends are massive Jet fans and I cant go one week without them rubbing it in my face how they got Darnold pro-ready and we got a limpy unprepared Josh Allen. Also Ive watched and followed all the Jet games this year and they have these ***** local TV Jet shows with player interviews and behind the scenes stuff, hes always mentioning McCown

[ctk232]

28 minutes ago, FearLess Price said:

 

Because I live in NJ and my best friends are massive Jet fans and I cant go one week without them rubbing it in my face how they got Darnold pro-ready and we got a limpy unprepared Josh Allen. Also Ive watched and followed all the Jet games this year and they have these ***** local TV Jet shows with player interviews and behind the scenes stuff, hes always mentioning McCown

The hardest part of the Jets schedule is upcoming, just wait. And McCown is no where near the reason Darnold is doing what he is doing. The idea that these "veteran QBs" are great for young QB's development is entirely unproven, and utterly baseless. Sure, can Darnold or Allen ask them questions? Absolutely. Will they give them the right answers or best insight they have? Mayhaps, but more likely than not their own success, or really lack thereof, in the league is proof enough to tell me they didn't really grasp the game well enough to be anything more than a placeholder for teams looking for actual QBs, or just an emergency hotline if the starter goes down. You think there's anything McCown is telling Darnold that his offensive staff and coaches aren't? 
 

If Allen had a competent QB coach and OC willing to work with him, he'd likely develop more than any vet QB would do for him. Not everyone learns this way and you have to find what works best for the project you end up with. Darnold is anything but proven at this point, and so much can happen. The Jets are 3-3, not bad but certainly nothing to write home about. 

[frostbitmic]

The big question is, would Anderson serve this team better as a backup QB/mentor or as a QB coach ?

 

I hate to say it but I don't have much faith in Anderson on the field at this point in his career. IMO we need to sign someone like Landry Jones to replace Nathan Peterman, and we should do it ASAP.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I think the idea of a player mentor is overrated. 

 

I just think at Quarterback you are either good or you're not. 

 

You either see the field or you don't and you take ownership and grow into the role. 

 

I think Anderson can certainly point things out, but Allen is spending time in the film room with Coaches right now. So Anderson, while having played, its not like Allen was lost in the wilderness before with no help. 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2018 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Bad Things]

So... to all of you that are dismissing Anderson, would you rather have had the Bills stay with two QBs and start Peterman vs the Colts?

[Iron Maiden]

20 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

So... to all of you that are dismissing Anderson, would you rather have had the Bills stay with two QBs and start Peterman vs the Colts?

Nope....but it doesn't mean that Derek freaking Anderson will be a good mentor ...or whatever you want to call it....He's had a sub par career....do we want JA around that ? Is that what we are reduced to ??

[FearLess Price]

7 hours ago, ctk232 said:

The hardest part of the Jets schedule is upcoming, just wait. And McCown is no where near the reason Darnold is doing what he is doing. The idea that these "veteran QBs" are great for young QB's development is entirely unproven, and utterly baseless. Sure, can Darnold or Allen ask them questions? Absolutely. Will they give them the right answers or best insight they have? Mayhaps, but more likely than not their own success, or really lack thereof, in the league is proof enough to tell me they didn't really grasp the game well enough to be anything more than a placeholder for teams looking for actual QBs, or just an emergency hotline if the starter goes down. You think there's anything McCown is telling Darnold that his offensive staff and coaches aren't? 
 

If Allen had a competent QB coach and OC willing to work with him, he'd likely develop more than any vet QB would do for him. Not everyone learns this way and you have to find what works best for the project you end up with. Darnold is anything but proven at this point, and so much can happen. The Jets are 3-3, not bad but certainly nothing to write home about. 

 

Your wrong bud. Have you never had a mentor? Ive had people mentor me at jobs that werent anywhere close to as good as me. But the experience and POVs she had really helped me develop into a stronger project specialist. You have to have the right Vet QB for that tho. Most dont give a ***** but McCown is well known to be a player coach and he will be coaching in a year or two. count on it. Watch all of Darnolds snaps and compare them to Jallens snaps. Ill share my tissues   

I hope the rest of yall can keep it real and not be homers. Darnold is much better than Allen is right now. Its not even close but JA has the potential to be the best of the group. Hes just not there yet.

6 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

The big question is, would Anderson serve this team better as a backup QB/mentor or as a QB coach ?

 

I hate to say it but I don't have much faith in Anderson on the field at this point in his career. IMO we need to sign someone like Landry Jones to replace Nathan Peterman, and we should do it ASAP.

 

I like that Idea. We could have Landry Jones start while JA heals, and keep Anderson to mentor him as QB3 and send NP to the PS

[ctk232]

2 hours ago, FearLess Price said:

 

Your wrong bud. Have you never had a mentor? Ive had people mentor me at jobs that werent anywhere close to as good as me. But the experience and POVs she had really helped me develop into a stronger project specialist. You have to have the right Vet QB for that tho. Most dont give a ***** but McCown is well known to be a player coach and he will be coaching in a year or two. count on it. Watch all of Darnolds snaps and compare them to Jallens snaps. Ill share my tissues   

I hope the rest of yall can keep it real and not be homers. Darnold is much better than Allen is right now. Its not even close but JA has the potential to be the best of the group. Hes just not there yet.

You're basing this on what exactly? Can having someone who has been exposed to something for longer than you have help to provide clarification? Absolutely, but that doesn't actually make the difference in terms of your personal growth. It can help your perspective, but not the end result. I'd be curious to see what McCown's ability to coach would be like - obviously there are players who coach better than they play, but to attribute Darnold's performance to McCown's guidance is a bit much, albeit my opinion. 

 

Lastly, never said Allen > Darnold right now? Confusing, but either way that disparity is clear. They are at very different points in development - with two VERY different organizations and rosters around them as well, and Allen most certainly needs the time. But for sure let's hope the potential translates into progress in performance.

Edited October 20, 2018 by ctk232

[FearLess Price]

18 hours ago, ctk232 said:

You're basing this on what exactly? Can having someone who has been exposed to something for longer than you have help to provide clarification? Absolutely, but that doesn't actually make the difference in terms of your personal growth. It can help your perspective, but not the end result. I'd be curious to see what McCown's ability to coach would be like - obviously there are players who coach better than they play, but to attribute Darnold's performance to McCown's guidance is a bit much, albeit my opinion. 

 

Lastly, never said Allen > Darnold right now? Confusing, but either way that disparity is clear. They are at very different points in development - with two VERY different organizations and rosters around them as well, and Allen most certainly needs the time. But for sure let's hope the potential translates into progress in performance.

 

This is a well thought out comment. I think your downplaying the benefits of a mentor, knowing what looks and tricks and schemes certain defenses and DC could throw at you before hand is much more valuable to your development then having peterpick on the bench as QB2. I understand your POV but i disagree a million times. Having a mentor is like having a personal tutor. And thats an advantage id rather our rookie have, than not.