HappyDays Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: What are you watching? I saw maybe 1 or 2 inaccurate passes today. Now, if you want to say he isn’t seeing the field, ok fine. The “he is inaccurate” mantra is off in my opinion. I agree. The biggest reason I didn't want to draft Allen originally was accuracy concerns. But he he is looking a lot more accurate now than he did at Wyoming. He had one truly inaccurate pass today and it was his first pass. He has all the physical tools - elite arm strength, elite balance, and good enough accuracy. All of his flaws are mental and that is not a bad spot to be right now. It's like learning to drive for the first time. The first time I merged onto a highway I was scared to death at the oncoming traffic. Now I've been driving for many many years and the speed of the traffic is natural. I'm better at anticipating where cars are going to be. I just needed that adjustment period. And who knows, Allen might never develop good enough field vision to be a top flight QB. But in my mind a QB with terrible field vision throws a lot of picks and Allen isn't doing that right now. He is if anything being too hesitant with the ball. If he can learn to trust what he sees and quickly read a defense he's going to be very very good. By the end of the season he should be reacting to pressure much better than he is now. I have already seen progress from the start of the season but it's going to be slow and it won't always be linear. Edited October 15, 2018 by HappyDays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, jrober38 said: QBASE has a very high rate of predicting failure for guys like Allen. Guys with negative scores like him simply are never successful. Contextualized Quarterbacking was another good one. Super detailed, and took into account each pass a QB threw and where it was placed to analyze accuracy among other things. There were others but I'll have to look around. That’s all well and good , but it doesn’t matter. Allen is who the Bills drafted, and he’s going to get more than a few games with a bad supporting cast to show what he can do. He’ll fail or he won’t . If he does it’s on to the next guy. They truly have no other option at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I'm just going off on top of my head. He was 10-17 or maybe 19? He threw one horrible pass to Clay and two bullets right to Clay. He threw two long passes to Benjamin right on the money one of which was called back. He threw a 10-15 yard pass to Zay that was dropped. He threw a nice swing pass to Shady on the run and and a WR screen on the money. He threw a bomb to Benjamin that was double covered and smart to be too long. He rolled out and threw a tremendously accurate pass against the grain to Shady. He threw a short roll out that wasn't great but in range and caught by Clay on the sidelines. He threw a ball away on the sidelines toward KB that had no chance because he wasn't open at all. Where are all these wildly inaccurate passes outside of the first play? Considering how these drama queens are describing Allen you'd think he had gone 0-17 with 10 interceptions. What a bunch of babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Pats start with a fake handoff and effortless slant to Gordon for 11, this is how you play the game when you are competent we we haven’t seen anything approaching this since Jim Kelly was in town, may not for another 29 years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 40 minutes ago, Lfod said: I never wanted Josh Allen to start this season. I always said that the team had no foundation for a rookie QB to succeed. What I mean by foundation is having successful offense before you install rookie QB. It was my position on the subject. I just don't think Josh Allen can develop or be successful in that environment. Now he is dinged up and that only leads me to believe in the potential of more injury. So I don't want to talk his development. He survived and has 2 wins and can make athletic plays. I would like to see him come into a far better situation before I judge. This offense is so bad that I don't think Tom Brady makes it work. I'm serious. The offense is holding the team back. i agree for the most part..but what i really agree with is that he should not be starting..hes not seeing the field properly so hes going to take hits...the reason a guy like tom brady is still playing this long is he gets the ball out so quick he rarely gets hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Seriously the only two I could think of were that first one and the long one to Benjamin that I'm not sure wasn't intentional. He only had 7 in-completions but for me I see him not processing what he sees and not being accurate in his time this year. While he did not have a lot of in-completions he also had like 80 yards passing total again so whatever he is doing its not working. The last pass was also not accurate which we could attribute to his injury but it also did not look much different from what we have seen this year. The pass he was injured on was the only quality pass I remember today, Most everything else was close to the LOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, row_33 said: Pats start with a fake handoff and effortless slant to Gordon for 11, this is how you play the game when you are competent we we haven’t seen anything approaching this since Jim Kelly was in town, may not for another 29 years But it's all Allen's fault. We're one quarterback away from being Super Bowl favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, mattynh said: He only had 7 in-completions but for me I see him not processing what he sees and not being accurate in his time this year. While he did not have a lot of in-completions he also had like 80 yards passing total again so whatever he is doing its not working. The last pass was also not accurate which we could attribute to his injury but it also did not look much different from what we have seen this year. The pass he was injured on was the only quality pass I remember today, Most everything else was close to the LOS What about the one that got called back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNubbins Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 He throws some nice balls. Not nearly enough to win games but the potential is there. I'm not sure sitting him when Derek Anderson is ready would be so bad. Everyone talks about hurting his confidence, but he doesn't seem like the type that would let it effect him long term. Everyone said before and after he was drafted that he needed time to sit, perhaps they were right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: Pats start with a fake handoff and effortless slant to Gordon for 11, this is how you play the game when you are competent we we haven’t seen anything approaching this since Jim Kelly was in town, may not for another 29 years Jets and Bills are both going through the growing pains of breaking in young QB’s. Pats will have to do that soon - and we’ll be done with it when they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: But it's all Allen's fault. We're one quarterback away from being Super Bowl favorites. 20 QBs come out this way every week, with a plan and with confidence its called football, when are we going to have a QB playing football again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 6 games into his career and you're already throwing him under the bus? Maybe give him some time and surround him with talent next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, Success said: Jets and Bills are both going through the growing pains of breaking in young QB’s. Pats will have to do that soon - and we’ll be done with it when they do. Been hearing this for 10 years now, just wait.... ho ho hee hee.... then utopia will be here for Bills fans, !@#$ing whatever how about the organization try to catch up with the passing NFL we’ve seen since 1982??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, row_33 said: 20 QBs come out this way every week, with a plan and with confidence its called football, when are we going to have a QB playing football again? Ask the coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: What about the one that got called back? I guess it was ok, it was an example of his arm strength but it was out of structure and I am not sure he really read it right and at the right time. I really want to see him make plays within the plan of the play. Obviously you take any big play but this was the issue we had with Tyrod, he could not play in rhythm. The one he did complete to Benjamin was within structure, he threw a nice ball wiht anticipation that was not wide open, he gave his guy a chance to make a play. I need to see it again I guess but I thought maybe that could have been even a bigger play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, Success said: He had two of those to KB. And a few others. Not a huge sample, but try not to exaggerate. Speaking of exaggerating. He completed 11 passes for 84 yards. One of those went for 39 yards, and one went for 22 when he committed the cardinal sin of throwing the ball across his body down the middle the field. The other 9 completions went for 23 total yards. Hard to imagine there being any impressive throws in there when they averaged 2.5 yards per completion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: 20 QBs come out this way every week, with a plan and with confidence its called football, when are we going to have a QB playing football again? That’s what they did by finally using a top 10 pick on a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Mahones first play, fake handoff, bullet to the TE for an easy reception and first down Bills QBs since Kelly couldn’t do this even if there was no D out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: Speaking of exaggerating. He completed 11 passes for 84 yards. One of those went for 39 yards, and one went for 22 when he committed the cardinal sin of throwing the ball across his body down the middle the field. The other 9 completions went for 23 total yards. Hard to imagine there being any impressive throws in there when they averaged 2.5 yards per completion. What did I say that was an exaggeration? Please be specific in your reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Recently inducted HOF Pat Mahomes is facing the worst defense in the league with the best schemes and great weapons all around him and looks like dog crap. Missing open receivers constantly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Considering how these drama queens are describing Allen you'd think he had gone 0-17 with 10 interceptions. What a bunch of babies. It's amazing how low the bar is for QB play around these parts. While teams are regularly throwing for 400 yards a game, we're throwing for 123 yards per contest. Our QB play this season has been laughably bad. We're scoring 12.7 points per game in 2018!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: Recently inducted HOF Pat Mahomes is facing the worst defense in the league with the best schemes and great weapons all around him and looks like dog crap. Missing open receivers constantly. But to be fair lets look at the body of work, rather than 1 quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Speaking of exaggerating. He completed 11 passes for 84 yards. One of those went for 39 yards, and one went for 22 when he committed the cardinal sin of throwing the ball across his body down the middle the field. The other 9 completions went for 23 total yards. Hard to imagine there being any impressive throws in there when they averaged 2.5 yards per completion. You dont like the passes? Blame the OC not Allen....he is executing the plays that are being called Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: Mahones first play, fake handoff, bullet to the TE for an easy reception and first down Bills QBs since Kelly couldn’t do this even if there was no D out there This was literally the first play we ran today. Fake to McCoy, and Allen threw it straight at Clay's feet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Thought Watson made key plays at key times......but our D still did a excellent job That's my point. In my opinion, save for that pick six, their d had nothing for us in comparison to what we brought to Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: You dont like the passes? Blame the OC not Allen....he is executing the plays that are being called No. He's not. That's the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Recently inducted HOF Pat Mahomes is facing the worst defense in the league with the best schemes and great weapons all around him and looks like dog crap. Missing open receivers constantly. The worst defense in the league is his own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: No. He's not. That's the problem. yes he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, BakersBills said: i think allen has looked alright, lots of big plays called back or dropped. elite runner, great arm, questionable decision making, horrible supporting casting. post of the day and so right. I was actually encouraged by what I saw from Josh Allen today. He was starting to come on and was making plays when he got injured. I can also tell you this if he plays the entire game we win this game. Edited October 15, 2018 by 17 Josh Allen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, Nostradumbass said: I am not an Allen hater but EJ tracked better through his first 5 games But this is kind of the point. Judging a QB's career from their first 5 games is a fool's errand. Here's a list of rookie QBs and their stats after their first 5 games (with a minimum of 50 total pass attempts), ranked in descending order by passer rating: http://pfref.com/tiny/xbaMx The top 10 in order: Marc Bulger Dak Prescott RGIII Deshaun Watson Ben Roethlisberger Carson Wentz Jake Locker Todd Bouman Cody Kessler Marcus Mariota Josh Allen already ranks above Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, and Ryan Fitzpatrick on this chart. He is not far below Matthew Stafford and Jared Goff. 42 QBs including the likes of Mark Sanchez and EJ Manuel rank above Andrew Luck on this chart. The point is you can look at just about any grouping in this chart and find something weird. Rookie QBs aren't defined by what they do in their first 5 games. It is just as likely that he improves tremendously next year as it is that he regresses. Anyone making predictions either way is foolish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) Just now, jrober38 said: It's amazing how low the bar is for QB play around these parts. While teams are regularly throwing for 400 yards a game, we're throwing for 123 yards per contest. Our QB play this season has been laughably bad. We're scoring 12.7 points per game in 2018!! We get it. You expected a star from the very beginning and there's no time for learning or improvement. Allen outplayed Watson today. The same Watson that was crowned a year ago. And between the two of them Allen was the one on the road in a hostile environment facing Watt and Clowney and without a future HOF at WR to throw to. Edited October 15, 2018 by Wayne Arnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: yes he is The first play of the game, Allen faked a hand off to McCoy, and promptly threw the ball straight at Clay's feet for what would have been an easy first down. That's the Offensive Coordinator's fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, 17 Josh Allen said: post of the day and right in. I was actually encouraged by what I saw from Josh Allen today. He was starting to come in when he got injured. I can also tell you this if he plays the entire game we win this game. I felt the same way. He’s tough and plays smart - I see progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Had my daughter's birthday today so DVR'd the game. Just watched it and if you're saying Allen showed nothing and had no improvement and so on you're nuts. I saw one truly off target throw. Looked better at pre-snap reads. On target with the majority of throws. Running threat as he's shown before. Long way to go still but certainly better than some here are saying. Peterman though. You cannot make that throw. I think we win if Allen didn't get hurt. 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: The first play of the game, Allen faked a hand off to McCoy, and promptly threw the ball straight at Clay's feet for what would have been an easy first down. That's the Offensive Coordinator's fault? That is one throw. To the the rest of the posters, this is the guy who would have traded anything to get Jamie's Winston. He really has no idea about QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You dont like the passes? Blame the OC not Allen....he is executing the plays that are being called His execution is the number 1 problem, not the plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, PolishPrince said: Haha, it was just a joke. I will be honest I dont know what you were originally even talking about. I just saw the profile picture and was feeling snarky - hopefully you didnt take offense to it. If you did, sorry man. I like the "Big P" though haha Lol na not at all. I was just wondering if I were the only one who noticed Watson drop back and almost stand there at times to let the rush get to him just to duck under the pressure and step up in the pocket. It almost reminded me of the lil on a rb draw. Little tidbit, my picture came draft night in a drunken rage as we TRADED UP to select Allen over Rosen seemed a lot like Maybin over Orakpo all over again. I just dont have much else to use now... maybe I will just make it whoever we draft next year or something lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Any regime since Kelly retired in Buffalo, is clueless on how to develop a QB. Allen needs help. I don't see where he could get it. With this roster, the OC, and clown QB coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, mattynh said: But to be fair lets look at the body of work, rather than 1 quarter. What body of work? It's been five games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, mattynh said: His execution is the number 1 problem, not the plays. Yeah he isnt really executing the plays called as of yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The first play of the game, Allen faked a hand off to McCoy, and promptly threw the ball straight at Clay's feet for what would have been an easy first down. That's the Offensive Coordinator's fault? You are fuking insufferable He was off the mark on his first pass of the night....he was on the mark with every other pass that series and with MOST of his passes for the day..... Do you think HOF bound QBs dont throw bad passes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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