DC Tom Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: Bernie very well could have beat Trump IMHO. Had he run 3rd party after getting screwed by the Ds, he very well could have beat both Hillary AND Donald. I hate Bernie's policies...but I probably would have voted for him over Trump or Hillary, just because he's not a complete piece of ***** like they are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 2 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Bernie very well could have beat Trump IMHO. Had he run 3rd party after getting screwed by the Ds, he very well could have beat both Hillary AND Donald. If Teddy Rossevelt couldn't do it, nobody can. I would've voted for him over Trump (because he's a much better person) knowing full well most of his policies wouldn't have made it through Congress. His presidency would've mirrored Trump's in many ways as far as fighting the Washington establishment, imposing tariffs on China with a lot of resistance from both sides, and facing hell on earth from the right for even suggesting we withdrawal troops from Syria. We just wouldn't have the drama and the comedy that comes with the Trump administration. It would've mirroed Obama's in getting no support on anything from the Republicans in Congress. We'd pry have slightly less debt as tax reform wouldn't be passed and we wouldn't have increased military spending. Although, more domestic spending would be likely. The FBI investigating his wife would've been a scandal to keep Gowdy and company in the House busy. Since Democrats fall asleep once they get their guy into the oval office, the Republicans would've shalacked the Democrats in the midterms instead of the other way around. Here's what Republicans would've hated and why they're glad Trump won. Kennedy would still be on the Supreme Court and most likely Garland. Although, it may have been somebody to the left of Garland if Sanders really pushed for it. RGB would've retired and been replaced by somebody similar. We'd still be in the Parris Accord and the Iran Deal. No tax reform legislation. We'd have more enviromental and financial regulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: If Teddy Rossevelt couldn't do it, nobody can. I would've voted for him over Trump (because he's a much better person) knowing full well most of his policies wouldn't have made it through Congress. His presidency would've mirrored Trump's in many ways as far as fighting the Washington establishment, imposing tariffs on China with a lot of resistance from both sides, and facing hell on earth from the right for even suggesting we withdrawal troops from Syria. We just wouldn't have the drama and the comedy that comes with the Trump administration. It would've mirroed Obama's in getting no support on anything from the Republicans in Congress. We'd pry have slightly less debt as tax reform wouldn't be passed and we wouldn't have increased military spending. Although, more domestic spending would be likely. The FBI investigating his wife would've been a scandal to keep Gowdy and company in the House busy. Since Democrats fall asleep once they get their guy into the oval office, the Republicans would've shalacked the Democrats in the midterms instead of the other way around. Here's what Republicans would've hated and why they're glad Trump won. Kennedy would still be on the Supreme Court and most likely Garland. Although, it may have been somebody to the left of Garland if Sanders really pushed for it. RGB would've retired and been replaced by somebody similar. We'd still be in the Parris Accord and the Iran Deal. No tax reform legislation. We'd have more enviromental and financial regulations. North Korea would be launching IBM's, the economy would still be mired down, ISIS would have gained in strength and the military would still be scrounging for spare parts. Oh, illegal alien children would be getting separated from their alien parents but the MSM would ignore it. Bernie's world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted January 12, 2019 Author Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, DC Tom said: I hate Bernie's policies...but I probably would have voted for him over Trump or Hillary, just because he's not a complete piece of ***** like they are. I think he's always been as complete a piece of ***** as both of them. Then (after getting hosed by the party that he insulated himself from for years by claiming to be "independent") he goes and joins the Democratic Party leadership to make sure what happened to him doesn't happen again. What he really accomplished is the Party institutionalization of his Socialist agenda. The fact that it now appears that the Democratic Party is trying again to shut him out of the 2020 race is actually very funny to me. I hope he never gets to the podium in a primary debate. ***** him. Edited January 12, 2019 by snafu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 12 hours ago, Doc Brown said: If Teddy Rossevelt couldn't do it, nobody can. I would've voted for him over Trump (because he's a much better person) knowing full well most of his policies wouldn't have made it through Congress. That's the key, that everyone STILL forgets: the President isn't emperor. He can't just do whatever he wants. There's still pretty significant checks on policy implementation, even after all the checks Obama basically nuked. Even "National Emergencies." I actually credit Trump with acting with some restraint regarding his threats to declare one. His predecessor already set ample precedent for declaring them on the stupidest of pretenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, DC Tom said: That's the key, that everyone STILL forgets: the President isn't emperor. He can't just do whatever he wants. There's still pretty significant checks on policy implementation, even after all the checks Obama basically nuked. Even "National Emergencies." I actually credit Trump with acting with some restraint regarding his threats to declare one. His predecessor already set ample precedent for declaring them on the stupidest of pretenses. I posted this in the Shutdown thread but it's pertinent here too: The Left has had many stances over the years regarding a wall on the border. Hard to believe them on anything. Trump is playing this smart. If he can't get a deal with the libs he'll simply declare an emergency and the 9th Circuit will shut him down. Not getting a wall will then be the fault of the courts and one of his biggest campaign issues will be revived for the 2020 election. Pelosi's obstinacy will be an issue and will certainly hurt her chances of staying in the majority. The dems always overplay their hand. Always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, B-Man said: https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/11/politics/tulsi-gabbard-van-jones/index.html PCILF Edited January 12, 2019 by /dev/null 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, /dev/null said: PCILF EDIT: maybe a lil too crass. my bad. Edited January 12, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 22 hours ago, B-Man said: https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/11/politics/tulsi-gabbard-van-jones/index.html There are far worse candidates. Too bad I've sworn to never, ever, ever vote for a Democrat again after the ***** they pulled with Kavanaugh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Line em up............. RUN ALL THE CANDIDATES! Julian Castro, Obama’s ex-HUD secretary, announces 2020 presidential bid. Jim Geraghty dubs Castro “Mr. 2012,” noting that “the 2020 cycle begins with Castro in a much worse position than seemed imaginable then, as the candidate of tomorrow suddenly finds himself the candidate of yesterday without ever having been the candidate of today.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, B-Man said: Line em up............. RUN ALL THE CANDIDATES! Julian Castro, Obama’s ex-HUD secretary, announces 2020 presidential bid. Jim Geraghty dubs Castro “Mr. 2012,” noting that “the 2020 cycle begins with Castro in a much worse position than seemed imaginable then, as the candidate of tomorrow suddenly finds himself the candidate of yesterday without ever having been the candidate of today.” The 2020 Democratic primaries are going to be ultimate expression of identity politics. Every demographic is going to be represented except "white male." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, B-Man said: Line em up............. RUN ALL THE CANDIDATES! Julian Castro, Obama’s ex-HUD secretary, announces 2020 presidential bid. Jim Geraghty dubs Castro “Mr. 2012,” noting that “the 2020 cycle begins with Castro in a much worse position than seemed imaginable then, as the candidate of tomorrow suddenly finds himself the candidate of yesterday without ever having been the candidate of today.” Who? Anyone check to see what Carrot Top is up to these days? Edited January 13, 2019 by Kevbeau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 4 hours ago, DC Tom said: Every demographic is going to be represented except "white male." Not true. But it will look more like America race and sex wise than the usual R white guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: Not true. But it will look more like America race and sex wise than the usual R white guys. Are they all going to be called racists/misogynists/Nazis/etc. if they criticized each other's policies, just like R's? You are not allowed to disagree with policies without being a racist/misogynist/Nazi/etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, KRC said: Are they all going to be called racists/misogynists/Nazis/etc. if they criticized each other's policies, just like R's? You are not allowed to disagree with policies without being a racist/misogynist/Nazi/etc. that's based on the assumption that they have differing policies other how much Free Stuff they'll give away and whether Trump is literally Hitler or worse than Hitler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, /dev/null said: that's based on the assumption that they have differing policies other how much Free Stuff they'll give away and whether Trump is literally Hitler or worse than Hitler Remember, if you do not vote for someone, it is because you are racist/misogynist/Nazi/etc. It is not because you disagree with them, it is because you are racist/misogynist/Nazi/etc. I am guessing the Dems will want to change the rules in the primary to make sure that you can cast a vote for every candidate, so that you cannot be criticized for anything. If you vote for Booker over Harris, it is because you hate women. If you vote for Warren, it is because you are racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Kevbeau said: Who? Anyone check to see what Carrot Top is up to these days? Haha, they can make the primaries like Celebrity Aprentice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, KRC said: Remember, if you do not vote for someone, it is because you are racist/misogynist/Nazi/etc. It is not because you disagree with them, it is because you are racist/misogynist/Nazi/etc. I am guessing the Dems will want to change the rules in the primary to make sure that you can cast a vote for every candidate, so that you cannot be criticized for anything. If you vote for Booker over Harris, it is because you hate women. If you vote for Warren, it is because you are racist. If you vote for Warren, you can only be 1023/1024ths racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, Chandemonium said: If you vote for Warren, you can only be 1023/1024ths racist. That's still pretty racist. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Chandemonium said: If you vote for Warren, you can only be 1023/1024ths racist. 1 hour ago, KRC said: That's still pretty racist. ? But it's not a total racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 4 hours ago, KRC said: Remember, if you do not vote for someone, it is because you are racist/misogynist/Nazi/etc. It is not because you disagree with them, it is because you are racist/misogynist/Nazi/etc. I am guessing the Dems will want to change the rules in the primary to make sure that you can cast a vote for every candidate, so that you cannot be criticized for anything. If you vote for Booker over Harris, it is because you hate women. If you vote for Warren, it is because you are racist. Weak straw man divisive generalizations. Anyone can make themselves better with posts like this. Move in closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 23 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Weak straw man divisive generalizations. Did you tell Hillary? It's her generalization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 11 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: Not true. But it will look more like America race and sex wise than the usual R white guys. Did you forget 2016 R candidates Carly Fiorina, Ben Carson, and Ted Cruz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Did you forget 2016 R candidates Carly Fiorina, Ben Carson, and Ted Cruz? Marco Rubio , Bobby Jindal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: Did you forget 2016 R candidates Carly Fiorina, Ben Carson, and Ted Cruz? Or who I believe will be Trump’s successor in 2025 Nikki Haley. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 REPORT: Joe Biden Telling Top Democrats He’ll Run In 2020. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: Weak straw man divisive generalizations. Anyone can make themselves better with posts like this. Move in closer. You're a commie. Edited January 14, 2019 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 3 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Did you forget 2016 R candidates Carly Fiorina, Ben Carson, and Ted Cruz? I vaguely rememer them from some of Trump's tweets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 16 hours ago, DC Tom said: Did you tell Hillary? It's her generalization. Same with Obama supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 10 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I vaguely rememer them from some of Trump's tweets. Now Doc, why would you want to spread discord and divide America? Trump is now on good terms with these people, thus proving he is a peacemaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 No, no, no..............that was all crazy right-wing conspiracy talk.............. Explosive Brazile Confession: Trump and Bernie Were Right, DNC Rigged Nomination For Hillary From the Start Fire up the microwave and pop some popcorn; things are about to get really ugly inside the Democratic Party. Throughout the primary election cycle last year, Bernie Sanders and his supporters angrily alleged that the DNC -- supposedly a neutral arbiter -- was actually in the tank for Hillary Clinton. This was denied up and down, with a top Hillary spokesman even wielding Bernie's questions about party favoritism as an attack against him. In her forthcoming book, former DNC chair Donna Brazile absolutely unloads on her party, blasting Barack Obama for decimating the DNC's finances, savaging the leadership of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and confirming that yes, Hillary Clinton's campaign had the party in its pocket long before she was its nominee. You'll likely recall Donald Trump's frequent play to Bernie supporters during the general election, claiming that the Democratic establishment "rigged" the nominating process against Sanders and for Clinton. He probably didn't even realize how absolutely accurate that characterization was. Politico has published an extended excerpt from Brazile's book, and oh my, is it explosive. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/11/02/donna-brazile-trump-and-bernie-were-right-the-dnc-rigged-it-for-hillary-big-league-n2403847 Now.......................democrats on this board, do you really think that you will be allowed to pick the candidate in 2020 either ?? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 32 minutes ago, B-Man said: No, no, no..............that was all crazy right-wing conspiracy talk.............. Explosive Brazile Confession: Trump and Bernie Were Right, DNC Rigged Nomination For Hillary From the Start Fire up the microwave and pop some popcorn; things are about to get really ugly inside the Democratic Party. Throughout the primary election cycle last year, Bernie Sanders and his supporters angrily alleged that the DNC -- supposedly a neutral arbiter -- was actually in the tank for Hillary Clinton. This was denied up and down, with a top Hillary spokesman even wielding Bernie's questions about party favoritism as an attack against him. In her forthcoming book, former DNC chair Donna Brazile absolutely unloads on her party, blasting Barack Obama for decimating the DNC's finances, savaging the leadership of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and confirming that yes, Hillary Clinton's campaign had the party in its pocket long before she was its nominee. You'll likely recall Donald Trump's frequent play to Bernie supporters during the general election, claiming that the Democratic establishment "rigged" the nominating process against Sanders and for Clinton. He probably didn't even realize how absolutely accurate that characterization was. Politico has published an extended excerpt from Brazile's book, and oh my, is it explosive. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/11/02/donna-brazile-trump-and-bernie-were-right-the-dnc-rigged-it-for-hillary-big-league-n2403847 Now.......................democrats on this board, do you really think that you will be allowed to pick the candidate in 2020 either ?? . Trump may be a great big pile of dog *****...but good Lord, did we ever dodge a bullet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Trump may be a great big pile of dog *****...but good Lord, did we ever dodge a bullet. You possibly mean quite literally dodged a bullet, right? If HRC was in office, we would fully be engaged in another war somewhere, possibly even on our grounds. Yikes. Edited January 14, 2019 by nkreed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, B-Man said: No, no, no..............that was all crazy right-wing conspiracy talk.............. Explosive Brazile Confession: Trump and Bernie Were Right, DNC Rigged Nomination For Hillary From the Start Fire up the microwave and pop some popcorn; things are about to get really ugly inside the Democratic Party. Throughout the primary election cycle last year, Bernie Sanders and his supporters angrily alleged that the DNC -- supposedly a neutral arbiter -- was actually in the tank for Hillary Clinton. This was denied up and down, with a top Hillary spokesman even wielding Bernie's questions about party favoritism as an attack against him. In her forthcoming book, former DNC chair Donna Brazile absolutely unloads on her party, blasting Barack Obama for decimating the DNC's finances, savaging the leadership of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and confirming that yes, Hillary Clinton's campaign had the party in its pocket long before she was its nominee. You'll likely recall Donald Trump's frequent play to Bernie supporters during the general election, claiming that the Democratic establishment "rigged" the nominating process against Sanders and for Clinton. He probably didn't even realize how absolutely accurate that characterization was. Politico has published an extended excerpt from Brazile's book, and oh my, is it explosive. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/11/02/donna-brazile-trump-and-bernie-were-right-the-dnc-rigged-it-for-hillary-big-league-n2403847 Now.......................democrats on this board, do you really think that you will be allowed to pick the candidate in 2020 either ?? . By what logic do those on the left refuse to believe that the party that rigged their own primary did not attempt to rig the federal election? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 The “issue” that Americans coast to coast can’t stop talking about.......? Quote Alex Seitz-WaldVerified account @aseitzwald FollowFollow @aseitzwald Unexpected: One of the first issues Elizabeth Warren emails her list about after getting into the presidential race is...D.C. statehood. (from Friday, am told this went to her whole list, not just DC residents) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 7 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Now Doc, why would you want to spread discord and divide America? Trump is now on good terms with these people, thus proving he is a peacemaker. I admire his win at all costs mentality. Plus it's hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 6 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: By what logic do those on the left refuse to believe that the party that rigged their own primary did not attempt to rig the federal election? When has logic ever met 'those on the left'? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: When has logic ever met 'those on the left'? Probably in a similar manner such as a deer meets an 18 wheeler on the highway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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