BmarvB Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Call it prehistoric, outdated, or whatever. This is not a run and gun offense, we just don't have the guns for that yet. This is still a ground and pound offense and that's what works for them. We have Shady and now Chris Ivory who is a major upgrade over Mike Tolbert. This is the strength of the offense, and just what Allen needs to help in his development. He's nowhere near ready to carry the offense yet - and he really doesn't need to. The identity of the offense remains bang away with the running game,work the short passing game, and wear down the opponent's defense. That's what's going to work for them while Allen continues to learn and develop. Let's just hope his accuracy gets better over time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I wouldn’t mind seeing more bubble screens to Ray Ray and Zay. Basically an extension of the run game. I don’t trust any of these guys to run slants. All I see are balls bouncing off their hands straight to the defenders. Run game, bubble screens, short outs, deep posts, seam routes, bootlegs and a few playaction deep shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SCBills said: I wouldn’t mind seeing more bubble screens to Ray Ray and Zay. Basically an extension of the run game. I don’t trust any of these guys to run slants. All I see are balls bouncing off their hands straight to the defenders. Run game, bubble screens, short outs, deep posts, seam routes, bootlegs and a few playaction deep shots. Agreed. Allen would probably be more comfortable with that for now until the defenders start jumping those routes. Then he can burn them with deep shots down the field. I think Ray Ray should get more targets. Allen did appear to have more chemistry with him in preseason, and it's not like we're getting much from the guys ahead of him anyway so why not go to him more? Edited October 8, 2018 by BmarvB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 If only the Bills could start every game with the lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Offensive Identity....I'm all for finding one. The only problem with the shorter patterns is that other teams are putting a lot of guys within 15 yards of LOS. The deeper routes are being left open, and the offense is going to have to exploit those. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Offensive Identity....I'm all for finding one. The only problem with the shorter patterns is that other teams are putting a lot of guys within 15 yards of LOS. The deeper routes are being left open, and the offense is going to have to exploit those. Yup. For our offense to begin scoring in the 20’s or higher, this is the next evolution. The blame on the lack of pushing the ball down the field probably lies 50/50 on Allen and the WRs. Our Offensive Line, since finding some continuity actually (knock on wood) hasn’t been bad. That being said, I don’t think the Texans DL is one we should be relying on them to hold up for a ton of long patterns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Sad we dont have a real deep threat. Foster has a knack for getting open deep....but we all see how hes been doing. I agree with the quick release and ground and pound. I was all for yesterdays offense...but without that deep presence I can see it being shut down very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I'd call it 12 points and a cloud of dust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I agree with the OP. It will also open up more play action options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Get shady into space. Ha ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Honestly, just do some more small, high percentage checks. Daboll should let Allen make quick throws to WRs on the outside if the CB's are more than 5 yards off before the snap. Brady probably has a 1000 completions of that sort. They are not glizty but they can get you a free 3 yards and maybe more if the WR can beat the CB 1:1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 59 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Offensive Identity....I'm all for finding one. The only problem with the shorter patterns is that other teams are putting a lot of guys within 15 yards of LOS. The deeper routes are being left open, and the offense is going to have to exploit those. Keep everyone guessing, works for Notre Dame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RyanC883 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, BmarvB said: Call it prehistoric, outdated, or whatever. This is not a run and gun offense, we just don't have the guns for that yet. This is still a ground and pound offense and that's what works for them. We have Shady and now Chris Ivory who is a major upgrade over Mike Tolbert. This is the strength of the offense, and just what Allen needs to help in his development. He's nowhere near ready to carry the offense yet - and he really doesn't need to. The identity of the offense remains bang away with the running game,work the short passing game, and wear down the opponent's defense. That's what's going to work for them while Allen continues to learn and develop. Let's just hope his accuracy gets better over time this is what a young QB needs. Get some more help on the O-line and some WR help in 2019 draft and we could be seeing marked improvement. Ivory looked like his old-self yesterday. Reminded me of Beast-Mode on that final drive. Loved watching it. 1 hour ago, Ramza86 said: Sad we dont have a real deep threat. Foster has a knack for getting open deep....but we all see how hes been doing. I agree with the quick release and ground and pound. I was all for yesterdays offense...but without that deep presence I can see it being shut down very quickly. Can't put Shady in a box. If you do, Ivory will break it open! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Im not sure having an "Identity" is a priority in a young qb developmental year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 Even when the ground and pound attack is working, we still need WRs who can at least make the defense respect the threat of being burned deep. This group can't do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Im not sure having an "Identity" is a priority in a young qb developmental year. We should all look for developmental progression from Allen. The biggest concern I have at this point is that Allen's accuracy appears to have been rightfully in question all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Our offensive identity is that we suck on offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Spiderweb said: We should all look for developmental progression from Allen. The biggest concern I have at this point is that Allen's accuracy appears to have been rightfully in question all along. He definitely has accuracy issues that can be fixed over time. until then, he needs to feed off the running game and take as many short shots as he can get away with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BmarvB said: He definitely has accuracy issues that can be fixed over time. until then, he needs to feed off the running game and take as many short shots as he can get away with His main issues right now are throwing on the run, and pocket awareness. But he also has like rookie issues that every rookie has. The game needs to slow down, he needs to see more blitz packages and more schemes. He needs to get on the same page as is OL (and not roll into sacks), and his WRs (timing seems to be an issue and i personally doubt the blame falls just on the QB). Until that happens, we're going to see a ton of 8 man boxes and press man defenses with single high safeties. The best way to beat that is back shoulder throws on the boundary, and deep shots. We've struggled with both so far, and until we get it right its going to be rough seas ahead for the forseeable future. Having a mobile QB break contain also can help make some plays (thats where weve had some success). Edited October 8, 2018 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, BmarvB said: Call it prehistoric, outdated, or whatever. This is not a run and gun offense, we just don't have the guns for that yet. This is still a ground and pound offense and that's what works for them. We have Shady and now Chris Ivory who is a major upgrade over Mike Tolbert. This is the strength of the offense, and just what Allen needs to help in his development. He's nowhere near ready to carry the offense yet - and he really doesn't need to. The identity of the offense remains bang away with the running game,work the short passing game, and wear down the opponent's defense. That's what's going to work for them while Allen continues to learn and develop. Let's just hope his accuracy gets better over time It's honestly the best situation you can give Allen - alleviates the pressure of having to always carry the offense. That being said, he still needs to lead these guys to win games, and establish himself as the QB moving forward. But in terms of development, if Shady and Ivory can manage positive yards on every drive and be the foundation of this offense, Allen has the opportunity to really focus in on the passing plays, and make progress. Two caveats, one being the OLine. Shady and Ivory can only consistently perform behind a dominant run block OLine. To this extent the OL has been successful, but nothing to lean on by any means. The ability for this moving forward entirely depends on our OLine. The second caveat of course being we don't want to develop Allen into a game manager QB - we still want him to develop a feel for throwing the ball the majority of the time, as this is a QB driven passing league. But everything in time. Edited October 8, 2018 by ctk232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 hours ago, SCBills said: I wouldn’t mind seeing more bubble screens to Ray Ray and Zay. Basically an extension of the run game. I don’t trust any of these guys to run slants. All I see are balls bouncing off their hands straight to the defenders. Run game, bubble screens, short outs, deep posts, seam routes, bootlegs and a few playaction deep shots. I really hate some of the routes they run. That route Holmes ran on the INT was not crisp at all. I'd like to see them run more of the Packers type of routes. Some picks to help them get open. Some quick outs and more dig routes. Benjamin in particular should run more quick outs toward the sidelines and digs across the QBs face. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 hours ago, SCBills said: I wouldn’t mind seeing more bubble screens to Ray Ray and Zay. Basically an extension of the run game. I don’t trust any of these guys to run slants. All I see are balls bouncing off their hands straight to the defenders. Run game, bubble screens, short outs, deep posts, seam routes, bootlegs and a few playaction deep shots. With the talent we have at the skill positions I'd say this was a good call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 For right now, from a passing standpoint, his accuracy needs a lot of work so he's going to have to nickle and dime defenses to death with quick short shots that he can hit easily just to keep the chains moving and the defense off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Their identity is 32. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 hours ago, SCBills said: I wouldn’t mind seeing more bubble screens to Ray Ray and Zay. Basically an extension of the run game. I don’t trust any of these guys to run slants. All I see are balls bouncing off their hands straight to the defenders. Run game, bubble screens, short outs, deep posts, seam routes, bootlegs and a few playaction deep shots. Teams are playing a lot of press coverage against us. Bubble screens don't really work in that situation. Slants are tricky too since timing is off. Really have to attack the deep boundaries since its likely 1x1 coverage with the single high safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, dneveu said: Teams are playing a lot of press coverage against us. Bubble screens don't really work in that situation. Slants are tricky too since timing is off. Really have to attack the deep boundaries since its likely 1x1 coverage with the single high safety. True. I think “pick play” bubble screens could get 5-10 yards here and there but complete agree with you on attacking deep boundaries. If im Allen and Benjamin, I’m spending an hour every practice this week working on back shoulder throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, SCBills said: True. I think “pick play” bubble screens could get 5-10 yards here and there but complete agree with you on attacking deep boundaries. If im Allen and Benjamin, I’m spending an hour every practice this week working on back shoulder throws. The pick plays should work, but its a timing thing. Ball needs to be there at a specific time - etc. It may take a few weeks to install something like that. The backshoulders have to improve - its a simple 1x1 play, and whether contested or not, benjamins size advantage should win the majority of those plays. Hitches and out looked better this week, but i really do think they need to start connecting on some deep balls too. This includes benjamin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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