nedboy7 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 The OP is void of logic. Please stop answering the “question”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 24 minutes ago, Berky1010 said: There has been a lot of debate about whether we should try and win 8 games this year or prioritize the development of Josh Allen. Both are great but there are a number of people who are mad at yesterday's win given the poor showing at QB. So I would ask you - would you rather 1) See good progress from Allen but win 3-4 games? Or 2) Win 8 games ugly and enter next season without a confident grasp of who will be our long term QB? The premise of your question is flawed. There is no reason you can't do both. He developed yesterday, despite all the hogwash saying he didn't. He was more decisive with reads, threw the ball away when he needed to. Things like that show development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berky1010 Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: The premise of your question is flawed. There is no reason you can't do both. He developed yesterday, despite all the hogwash saying he didn't. He was more decisive with reads, threw the ball away when he needed to. Things like that show development. So in that case...which would you "prefer"? Win or see Allen develop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, Berky1010 said: So in that case...which would you "prefer"? Win or see Allen develop? I prefer both. As I said, there is no reason you can't do both. You are asking a question to fit your perceived bias. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, Rebel101 said: Yeah but they can only give him so much I agree they should have gave him a lot more with the 1s. But just because he wasn’t running with the 1s doesn’t mean he wasn’t learning the same offense. Supposedly Daboll has an specific offense created for Allen so it didn’t really matter what group he ran with the offense was tailored for him which I believe is a big reason why they kept foster and McCloud as well because if it is true that Allen had his own offense those 2 ran it the most with him and he had more chemistry with them naturally because they played together the most. We don’t know how well Allen is handling his information and how fast or how well he is processing and able to translate that knowledge onto the field so they can only move along as fast as Allen will allow them too. And obviously they thought maybe he was ready for more leading up to the Packers game until he showed he wasn’t. But all in good time Ok so a Specific Offense tailored for Allen? Dont you think then kind of vital having the 1s learn that specific offense. They HAD to know Allen was going to start sooner than later with Peterman. If not that is a problem. Just like it would be a problem installing two specific offenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I personally think the goal is always to win. That strategy we just used to beat Tenn, is likely to only beat a team like them. Houston we could see something largely similar since its also a team with a young QB, who struggles to run the ball. Once you start running into teams like NE, you have to attack them - because you're unlikely to limit them to under 20 points (yes it can happen, but their success rate is what 90%). I would expect to run the ball against Houston, they have a really good defense and the goal will be to eek out a win again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 True he did throw the ball away instead of turning from the pressure and eating sacks. Its frustrating to see him out there with this group of receivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Who says we'll win anything with a journyman at QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 24 minutes ago, Berky1010 said: There has been a lot of debate about whether we should try and win 8 games this year or prioritize the development of Josh Allen. Both are great but there are a number of people who are mad at yesterday's win given the poor showing at QB. So I would ask you - would you rather 1) See good progress from Allen but win 3-4 games? Or 2) Win 8 games ugly and enter next season without a confident grasp of who will be our long term QB? With our WR/TE/O-Line talent I think this team has no choice but to win ugly. The good thing is I think we can win ugly and still develop Allen. I feel like this team has the makings of a Seahawks situation where the defense could carry this team as long as the offense doesn't turn the ball over and puts up average numbers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Ok so a Specific Offense tailored for Allen? Dont you think then kind of vital having the 1s learn that specific offense. They HAD to know Allen was going to start sooner than later with Peterman. If not that is a problem. Just like it would be a problem installing two specific offenses I think taking out the RPOs, and simplifying things helped a bit. The designed roll-outs helped limit the sacks and pass rush. He's still really struggling to throw accurately on the run though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Honestly with what little Allen has...this year looks like its only going to help him gain experience with game situations so he will be much more calm next season. He needs a line and weapons. I think its ok to have him throw 15 times a game this year and just focus on him learning live action. I dont care about this season. I just want Allen to learn the game and come out healthy by the end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 If you have a good defense and good ground game you have at least a solid chance of winning the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 28 minutes ago, Berky1010 said: There has been a lot of debate about whether we should try and win 8 games this year or prioritize the development of Josh Allen. Both are great but there are a number of people who are mad at yesterday's win given the poor showing at QB. So I would ask you - would you rather 1) See good progress from Allen but win 3-4 games? Or 2) Win 8 games ugly and enter next season without a confident grasp of who will be our long term QB? I don't think it's an either-or choice at all. It's been justly said that a rookie QB best friend is a great run game, closely followed by an effective OL. In order to be developed, Allen needs to make good decisions and not press. To do that, he needs to know the team can run the ball and win running the ball. I think yesterday was all about taking the game off Allen's shoulders and establishing that we can win the game in the trenches. The next step would be to continue to establish that we can run the ball and move the chains that way, while slowly building up the complexity of the passing game for Allen. If a young QB believes winning the game is all on his shoulders, and if the team is pass-heavy behind a ticky-tack OL, that young QB will inevitably press and make bad passing decisions. Allen needs to know that if he throws the ball away because he's under pressure or he doesn't understand what he sees, the rest of the team's got his back. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 35 minutes ago, Berky1010 said: There has been a lot of debate about whether we should try and win 8 games this year or prioritize the development of Josh Allen. Both are great but there are a number of people who are mad at yesterday's win given the poor showing at QB. So I would ask you - would you rather 1) See good progress from Allen but win 3-4 games? Or 2) Win 8 games ugly and enter next season without a confident grasp of who will be our long term QB? Why does it have to be mutually exclusive? The whole idea is to win. You can’t win and develop at the same time? That’s just not true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Every game Allen plays he learns more about situational football and defensive formations/blitzes regardless of how many times he throws the ball. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 he can develop while winning and losing. whether the win is ugly, it's a win win as he still can learn and develop from it just the same as an ugly or even close loss. all is in his favor to remain on the field, take his lumps and continue to develop. although it seems with a very poor cast around (why is KB still on this team?) him his development has not looked as good as some the other rookies who some continue to drool over but he seems to have the potential and I expect next season to be much better for him and the team as a whole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think it's an either-or choice at all. It's been justly said that a rookie QB best friend is a great run game, closely followed by an effective OL. In order to be developed, Allen needs to make good decisions and not press. To do that, he needs to know the team can run the ball and win running the ball. I think yesterday was all about taking the game off Allen's shoulders and establishing that we can win the game in the trenches. The next step would be to continue to establish that we can run the ball and move the chains that way, while slowly building up the complexity of the passing game for Allen. If a young QB believes winning the game is all on his shoulders, and if the team is pass-heavy behind a ticky-tack OL, that young QB will inevitably press and make bad passing decisions. Allen needs to know that if he throws the ball away because he's under pressure or he doesn't understand what he sees, the rest of the team's got his back. I think that Daboll is implementing more run plays because the coaches are probably seeing more OL cohesion during practices. I am not saying that the OL does not need upgrading but rather each OL player is understanding what his OL teammate's reaction/ direction is on a given play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 You should always try and win every game you play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Even if it's ugly, a win is a win. We can get away with winning ugly and developing Allen at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I don't think they need to be mutually exclusive. Exactly what is Allen "learning" when he is dropping back 50 times and getting blitzed into submission with an OLine that can't pick it up and WR's that can't get open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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