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I really hope the Bills turn it around and contend for a playoff spot, but I really can't see that happening for a while. A top 5 pick is  quite likely. We have our QB and now need to build at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the the ball. No more high round DBs, WRs, etc until this gets fixed. RBs can't run without holes, QBs can't throw without time. DBs can't cover all day. It will take a couple years. Trade out of top 5 and stockpile later rounds and later years. Talented OL are tough to find in FA.. Draft OL and sign DL.

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3 minutes ago, Bills Fan of Maryland said:

I really hope the Bills turn it around and contend for a playoff spot, but I really can't see that happening for a while. A top 5 pick is  quite likely. We have our QB and now need to build at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the the ball. No more high round DBs, WRs, etc until this gets fixed. RBs can't run without holes, QBs can't throw without time. DBs can't cover all day. It will take a couple years. Trade out of top 5 and stockpile later rounds and later years. Talented OL are tough to find in FA.. Draft OL and sign DL.

I agree with everything except we should absolutely take a high round WR within the next two drafts...as long as they do their homework and get the right guy.  When you get a guy with an arm like Allen you owe it to him to go out and find the next AJ Green or Julio Jones 

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1 hour ago, twist_to_open said:

I would have no doubt, based on our very early projected drafting order that McDermott would grab him up. But seeing how we got our QB last draft I would like to see Beane trade down and build the trenches with several picks.

 

Trading down would be a priority given the number of players they need.  WR(2), OL(2-3), CB, LB and RB.... wow

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It should be an interesting off-season no matter how this season goes.  The 90 mil of cap space and probably a top 10 pick.  

The only thing I don't like is that the JETS also have a ton of cap space so they seem to be a step ahead of us.  Ugh..... 

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There are some good young trench players in FA  They have money to make a few long term FA investments and dont have to do it all in the draft  Just make sure they continue to add several quality grade starters each draft.   Its well worth a top 5 pick to get a elite LT/pass rusher/shut down corner

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24 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Agree they should slide out of the top 3 to accumulate picks, if at all possible.  They need to come out of the first three rounds with help at pass rush, CB, WR and o-line.

Arguably that seems to Beane's stregnth, trading and negotiating draft picks. It would be good to have 5 or 6 picks in the first two rounds.

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21 minutes ago, twist_to_open said:

Arguably that seems to Beane's stregnth, trading and negotiating draft picks. It would be good to have 5 or 6 picks in the first two rounds.

Need some top QB's to emerge for 2019 if they want to trade down

and do a better job with the haul than the Browns  This is what the browns ended up with in the Wentz deal  Ugghh is there even two decent starters in that list?

 

Corey Coleman
Shon Coleman
Cody Kessler (Since traded for a late round pick)
Derrick Kindred
Spencer Drango
Ricardo Louis
Jordan Payton (Since released)
Jabrill Peppers
Deshone Kizer (Since traded, along with picks, for Damarious Randall and picks)
Denzel Ward
Chad Thomas

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Just now, Skins Malone said:

I was actually gonna start a thread about this and Bosa.  I dont watch college football much so all i have our highlights of Bosa.  Just wondering what people think about him...how he stakes up to other pass rushers in the draft...and if he should be a lock at one?

 

I think he is the best pass rusher right now. And no I dont think he is a lock for one right now 

2 hours ago, Mark92 said:

I don't normally watch many Ohio State games but I plan on watching tonight's primetime game just to get a look at Nick Bosa.  Anyone else? 

 

Michael Jordan*, G, Ohio State  
Height: 6-6. Weight: 312. 
Projected 40 Time: 5.20. 
Projected Round (2019): 2-3.
 

According to NFL teams' preseason data provided by team sources, Jordan checks in at 6-foot-6, 312 pounds. He is said to run the 40 in 5.20 seconds. His arms measure at 34.63 inches, his hands at 10.25 inches, and his wing span at 84 inches. He has excellent size and length for guard, and his measureables would fit as a tackle. 

 

Dre Mont Jones DT for OSU - Projected 1st

Kevonte Turpin WR for TCU - 2nd

Mike Weber RB OSU - 2nd to 3rd

Isaih Prince OT OSU - 3rd to 4th

 

those are the players in early top 100 lists 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, DuckyBoys said:

Need some top QB's to emerge for 2019 if they want to trade down

and do a better job with the haul than the Browns  This is what the browns ended up with in the Wentz deal  Ugghh is there even two decent starters in that list?

 

Corey Coleman
Shon Coleman
Cody Kessler (Since traded for a late round pick)
Derrick Kindred
Spencer Drango
Ricardo Louis
Jordan Payton (Since released)
Jabrill Peppers
Deshone Kizer (Since traded, along with picks, for Damarious Randall and picks)
Denzel Ward
Chad Thomas

 

Drew Lock

Ryan Finley

 

Are already top graded QBs. If they perform like that and are top QBs your the 1st and 2nd pick will be a haul if a team holds them that already is happy with their QB

 

 

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If you are watching the Ohio State game there are a few others to keep an eye on that haven’t been mentioned yet.

 

Parris Campbell plays the Percy Harvin role in Meyer’s offense. He’s an explosive playmaker when the ball is in his hands.

 

Kendall Sheffield is a JUCO transfer CB. He is a former 5 star and is probably next in the list of great OSU corners.

 

Isiah Prince is another OL that was a high end recruit that will be on an NFL OL. 

 

Mike Weber, Johnnie Dixon & Austin Mack are a few more skill players that will play at the next level.

 

There are some younger guys too that aren’t eligible yet that will be great pros (Chase Young especially). 

 

Also, I strongly, strongly encourage those of you that don’t follow college football to check out the college football forum. There is a lot of good conversation from people that pay close attention. 

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3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Agree they should slide out of the top 3 to accumulate picks, if at all possible.  They need to come out of the first three rounds with help at pass rush, CB, WR and o-line.

 

Its post free agency, which will effect need a lot. I’d have to think they see rare pass rushers at the top of the draft. Sign 2 mid tier vet offensive line, a blue collar cb, and a good WR allowing a more bpa approach after a rusher at 1. Depth literally everywhere would be helpful at that point.

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3 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

You do know that there's FA too, right?

 

Right, let's just grab the 2019 versions of Star Louwho, Vontae "healthy scratch" Davis, and our second best WR in Kerley who just got cut the day before being slated to start week 2 in our rookie QB's first game.

 

Is that the kind of FA haul you expect net year Joe?

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1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

Right, let's just grab the 2019 versions of Star Louwho, Vontae "healthy scratch" Davis, and our second best WR in Kerley who just got cut the day before being slated to start week 2 in our rookie QB's first game.

 

Is that the kind of FA haul you expect net year Joe?

 

I expect more names with the addition of almost 100 million free cap space.

 

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Just now, Fadingpain said:

Justin Herbert, QB, Oregon Ducks.

 

6'6", 225 lbs, strong arm, good touch on ball as well, excellent ball location, can lead receivers and anticipate throws.

 

Probably the top QB prospect for next year's draft.

 

 

You’re going to have to move on from the QBs. There is a zero percent chance they consider one next year. Zero, in fact that is last on the list of positions that they will consider early. They may take a guy in the 4th or after to be the backup but no chance of a guy before that. It’s Allen through 2019 (at least). 

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1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You’re going to have to move on from the QBs. There is a zero percent chance they consider one next year. Zero, in fact that is last on the list of positions that they will consider early. They may take a guy in the 4th or after to be the backup but no chance of a guy before that. It’s Allen through 2019 (at least). 

 

Only reason I want QBs to excell is to be able to sell off our No1 overall for a ransom 

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1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Only reason I want QBs to excell is to be able to sell off our No1 overall for a ransom 

Yep, I would love to be able to go from 1 to 3 for example and pick up a 2nd, 3rd and a 2nd in 2020 or something like that. The Bills would still get Bosa or Oliver and then pick again at 33, 35, 65 & 67. You could start the draft with something like:

- Bosa/Oliver

- N’Keal Harry

- Trey Adams

- Michael Dieter

- Parris Campbell

 

That would give you the pass rusher, a starting OT, a starting OG, a number 1 WR, and a slot type of weapon. You’d still have 2 4ths, 2 5ths, a 6th and a 7th. You can use that collateral to move around the draft board to get a guy or 2 that you want (ie if you need to get back into the late 1st). 

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Just now, BringBackOrton said:

We signed the fifth most expensive non- QB FA last year.  Throwing $20M at the next Start Louwho won't make him magically good.

 

Heck he cant even assume 5 more snaps. We have to cut a WR to get him some ratation help. Awesome 10M DT 

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Hakeem Butler looking like A.J. Green against Oklahoma right now. A 6'6" 225lb WR from Iowa St. who has good speed, runs solid routes, has good body control, runs with physicality after the catch, and wins pretty much every 50/50 ball. He didn't have a good 1st game against Iowa, but he's eating OU alive today. 

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1 minute ago, H2o said:

Hakeem Butler looking like A.J. Green against Oklahoma right now. A 6'6" 225lb WR from Iowa St. who has good speed, runs solid routes, has good body control, runs with physicality after the catch, and wins pretty much every 50/50 ball. He didn't have a good 1st game against Iowa, but he's eating OU alive today. 

Over 54!!! ?

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Just now, GreggTX said:

Trade down and draft SEVERAL offensive linemen. Sign the best speed WR and CB you can get in FA. Teams don't often let good OL walk these days unless they need a QB.

Teams don’t let any good players go anymore. It isn’t just OL.If they aren’t going to re-sign them they trade them. With the cap constantly escalating teams let go of solid players that other teams value more (like Robert Woods). You need to draft 2 starting OL and 2 starting WR in the upcoming draft. You need to sign a decent player at each position as well. 

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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You’re going to have to move on from the QBs. There is a zero percent chance they consider one next year. Zero, in fact that is last on the list of positions that they will consider early. They may take a guy in the 4th or after to be the backup but no chance of a guy before that. It’s Allen through 2019 (at least). 

Don't disagree with you but b/c that is how they view it, doesn't mean it is correct.

 

I'm not going to die on this mountain right now, b/c we have no idea what Allen is going to look like this year and beyond.


But these guys will protect "their guy" (Allen) and their jobs long before they will acquire a second top QB prospect for the good of the team.


That is for sure.

 

I'm thinking about the team; they are thinking about their jobs and reputation.

 

The sad part is we have a solid shot at a top 3 pick this year and that is the time to get a QB.  If the current Allen/McBeane cycle runs its course and washes out in a few years we'll be right back to taking a QB anyway, only at a time when we aren't picking in the top 3.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

Justin Herbert, QB, Oregon Ducks.

 

6'6", 225 lbs, strong arm, good touch on ball as well, excellent ball location, can lead receivers and anticipate throws.

 

Probably the top QB prospect for next year's draft.

 

 

We are as likely to take Oregon’s punter in the 1st as we are to take their QB. 

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6 minutes ago, Batman1876 said:

We are as likely to take Oregon’s punter in the 1st as we are to take their QB. 

No ****?

 

B/C the Bills aren't going to take a QB with their first pick next year means no one here should consider it or discuss it?  Or analyze top QBs prospects around the country? 


Do you think they are reading our comments and making decisions based on what is said here anyway?  

 

I know it's fun for idiots like GoBills808 to poke fun at the idea of a top QB at the moment.  That's b/c Allen hasn't started yet.


That honeymoon ends tomorrow.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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