Roundybout Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Oh no, Patriots are outsmarting us again by signing Scott Chandler Mike Gillislee Stephon Gilmore Corey Coleman. Whatever will we do?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Are there offsets that come off the Bills books? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Oh no, Patriots are outsmarting us again by signing Scott Chandler Mike Gillislee Stephon Gilmore Corey Coleman. Whatever will we do?? Lol You forgot Hogan.. 2 out of 4 were good pick ups.. this guys just a warm body till they get a trade done for a WR. That or BB sees something in him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 32 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said: It's part of their playbook. Anyone we cut, no matter the reason, is signed and pumped for any information that they can provide. They're not the Cheatriots for nothing! Yeah...they really need to pump him for info...after all, they've only won 29 out of 32 games vs our Bills since Brady started....panic is setting in New England...desperation move..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 They take flyers out on players with talent, most don't work but some do. Philip Dorsett may be starting to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Good luck CC. Â If you were cut by the Bills with our motley crew at WR you can`t be very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Lol You forgot Hogan.. 2 out of 4 were good pick ups.. this guys just a warm body till they get a trade done for a WR. That or BB sees something in him Yeah, Hogan went from being an okay depth receiver to an okay depth receiver. His best season with the Bills was 41 catches and 4 TDs. His best season with the Pats was 38 catches and 4 TDs. He averaged a whooping 17.9 YPR that year but is largely the exact same player he was here. Chandler, Gillislee, Gilmore were/are worse players now than they were then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 43 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said: It's part of their playbook. Anyone we cut, no matter the reason, is signed and pumped for any information that they can provide. They're not the Cheatriots for nothing! Like you need inside info to beat the Bills...come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 42 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Low risk and high reward for the Patriots. I doubt he does much since their playbook is supposedly so complicated.  More like low risk low reward. The guy couldn't even learn the Bills' playbook. He has no shot with the Cheaters' playbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: Yeah, Hogan went from being an okay depth receiver to an okay depth receiver. His best season with the Bills was 41 catches and 4 TDs. His best season with the Pats was 38 catches and 4 TDs. He averaged a whooping 17.9 YPR that year but is largely the exact same player he was here. Chandler, Gillislee, Gilmore were/are worse players now than they were then. and had 1 for 11 yards Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 He'll probably toast us. The Patriots can turn garbage into gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 25 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Yeah, Hogan went from being an okay depth receiver to an okay depth receiver. His best season with the Bills was 41 catches and 4 TDs. His best season with the Pats was 38 catches and 4 TDs. He averaged a whooping 17.9 YPR that year but is largely the exact same player he was here. Chandler, Gillislee, Gilmore were/are worse players now than they were then. Gilmore is WORSE? I won’t lie his first four games he SUCKED! But since then he has been lights out and was probably the only bright spot on D during the SB last year for the Patriots. Sorry Gilmore is actually BETTER than he was in Buffalo as is Hogan. The difference for Hogan is he isn’t the top or second choice he is usually 3 or 4th down the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Soda Popinski said: He'll be as worthless there as here, but BB will use him twice a game on deep routes.  How much would you like to bet me they turn him into a stud? It would be so Billsy for that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 47 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:  What about Webster?  **At the bills price**  Both at half rpice. 53 1/2 man roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Gilmore is WORSE? I won’t lie his first four games he SUCKED! But since then he has been lights out and was probably the only bright spot on D during the SB last year for the Patriots. Sorry Gilmore is actually BETTER than he was in Buffalo as is Hogan. The difference for Hogan is he isn’t the top or second choice he is usually 3 or 4th down the list.  Hogan was a 3rd or 4th choice with us as well. Gilmore was good in Buffalo too...which is why you guys paid him top dollar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 31 minutes ago, nucci said: Like you need inside info to beat the Bills...come on Cheaters overlook necessity, they just want any information they can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Mcdermott's eagle scout team .  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Just now, Marv's Neighbor said: Cheaters overlook necessity, they just want any information they can get. and how much can Coleman really give.....let's just worry about our team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said: How much would you like to bet me they turn him into a stud? It would be so Billsy for that to happen. agreed and where the Bills in position to cut a wide receiver with talent ?   1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 52 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:  I believe his opinion would be a consensus around the league.  The Bills traded for this guy---after the Browns didn't want him. Then they cut him. Then NE picked him up on the Bills dime. And The Bills are mocking the pickup by NE?? Now they suddenly realize he "is not a visual learner"? It's pretty lame spin for a series of bad decisions by HC/GM.   The Browns and the Patriots are laughing at the Bills over this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 He's probably already been fined by Belichick for something...  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:  The Bills traded for this guy---after the Browns didn't want him. Then they cut him. Then NE picked him up on the Bills dime. And The Bills are mocking the pickup by NE?? Now they suddenly realize he "is not a visual learner"? It's pretty lame spin for a series of bad decisions by HC/GM.  The Browns and the Patriots are laughing at the Bills over this.  It's not a mocking, it's an explanation of some of the reasoning why he was waived by the Bills as well as a projection that he won't last in NE given the rigors of what they demand in their offense. It's a perfectly reasonable take irrespective of your affinity for the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Marv's Neighbor said: It's part of their playbook. Anyone we cut, no matter the reason, is signed and pumped for any information that they can provide. They're not the Cheatriots for nothing! For some strange reason I don't think the pats think they have to sign that guy to get some kind of edge... ...I don't think the pats think about the bills at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said: How much would you like to bet me they turn him into a stud? It would be so Billsy for that to happen. i think i'm more scared of a dinosaur attack than this happening.  2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4Ever4Life Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Sadly, every year the Pats pick up a player from our cut list. Some turn out and some don't but all of them give BB a heads up on whats going on behind closed doors. Its a smart move even if Coleman sees 0 action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 belicheck will see his limitations and scheme around them. He'll be in on a few plays that are designed for his skill sets. that's how you coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Just now, quinnearlysghost88 said: belicheck will see his limitations and scheme around them. He'll be in on a few plays that are designed for his skill sets. that's how you coach. yes.  the Bills on the other hand look for cookie cutter try hard players .  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Gilmore is WORSE? I won’t lie his first four games he SUCKED! But since then he has been lights out and was probably the only bright spot on D during the SB last year for the Patriots. Sorry Gilmore is actually BETTER than he was in Buffalo as is Hogan. The difference for Hogan is he isn’t the top or second choice he is usually 3 or 4th down the list. No they aren’t. Gilmore was brutal for 4 games and a Pro Bowl CB the year before. He certainly played better as the year went along but he absolutely has been worse.  Hogan is the exact same. He’s playing with Brady now. He was always a guy that was a good athlete and could make some big plays.  The only difference is that he makes more big plays in a better offense. He doesn’t make more plays though.  He has ALWAYS been a 3rd or 4th choice. He was the 4th receiver here too behind Watkins, Woods and Goodwin. You are trying to make a point that just isn’t based on fact. A giant part of the reason his YPR in Buffalo was less than now because both Watkins and Goodwin were better big play receivers. He didn’t see as many deep balls then as he does now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobH063 Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Brady could turn Gary Coleman into a 100 catch a year WR... Ain't that the truth and he's not even alive! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:  It's not a mocking, it's an explanation of some of the reasoning why he was waived by the Bills as well as a projection that he won't last in NE given the rigors of what they demand in their offense. It's a perfectly reasonable take irrespective of your affinity for the Patriots.   Nice try.  What was "Chris Brown"s take when the Bills traded for him only a few weeks ago? Did he mention what he is now describing as some sort of learning disability?  And how often does the Bills PR department make a public statement bad mouthing a cut player like this? Give me all of the other examples you can recall...   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Nice try.  What was "Chris Brown"s take when the Bills traded for him only a few weeks ago? Did he mention what he is now describing as some sort of learning disability?  And how often does the Bills PR department make a public statement bad mouthing a cut player like this? Give me all of the other examples you can recall...  How would he offer any such take without the benefit of seeing him up close and personal in camp with multiple interactions with the coaching staff on the field?  You are trying way too hard as per your norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) I don't think it's crazy to assume that part of this signing is the Putin strategy of sewing (additional) dysfunction in a rival's front office. Â BB knows that the Pegulas are relative simpletons who will turn the screws on their inexperienced GM for shelling out $3.5M for a two-week tryout, only to cut bait and let the division rivals pick him up. Â BB loves beating the Bills over the head with their own, old shoe. Â I'm convinced that the Gilleslee signing was palatable to BB because he knew that, even if TD Mike didn't work out for the Pats' offense, he was thwarting the Bills' plans. Â The Coleman experiment is an embarrassment for Beane who is in over his head and has not shown that he has any real strategy or understanding of how to build a roster or manage his bosses' money. Â Those bosses surely have noticed by now. Edited September 11, 2018 by Coach Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. WEO Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:  How would he offer any such take without the benefit of seeing him up close and personal in camp with multiple interactions with the coaching staff on the field?  You are trying way too hard as per your norm.   So your saying the Bills didn't vet him at all.. Didn't wonder why the Browns, of all teams, would want to get rid of a former 1st round pick? Didn't watch film of his previous games? They were totally surprised by what they saw in camp...  Anyway, I'm still wating for another list of former Bills the the teeam went out of their way to throw shade at after letting them go.  This isn't hard to figure out why they would say these things. They are embarrassed. It's a worst case scenario for this decision: they gave up a pick and cut the guy and are paying him to play for another team in the division. Edited September 11, 2018 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:  Essentially yes. Will be interesting to see how well he can absorb the intricacies of the Patriots' offense that has befuddled many a WR . How is that so? My understanding is that when a team trades a player who received a signing bonus on their last contract (as Cleveland traded Coleman to Buffalo) the originating team is still liable for the bonus. The new team is only liable for the salary portion, which was not guaranteed. When he was waived, that would have wiped the slate clean for Buffalo. Coleman gets a new contract with New England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, TigerJ said: How is that so? My understanding is that when a team trades a player who received a signing bonus on their last contract (as Cleveland traded Coleman to Buffalo) the originating team is still liable for the bonus. The new team is only liable for the salary portion, which was not guaranteed. When he was waived, that would have wiped the slate clean for Buffalo. Coleman gets a new contract with New England.  Incorrect. The Bills traded for his contract that came with guaranteed salary from his rookie deal and the Bills are still on the hook since no team claimed him from waivers.  Contract Information from Spotrac: Corey Coleman Edited September 12, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 42 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Gilmore is WORSE? I won’t lie his first four games he SUCKED! But since then he has been lights out and was probably the only bright spot on D during the SB last year for the Patriots. Sorry Gilmore is actually BETTER than he was in Buffalo as is Hogan. The difference for Hogan is he isn’t the top or second choice he is usually 3 or 4th down the list.  Hogan is the same as he was in Buffalo. With a far better QB, mind you.  34 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:  The Bills traded for this guy---after the Browns didn't want him. Then they cut him. Then NE picked him up on the Bills dime. And The Bills are mocking the pickup by NE?? Now they suddenly realize he "is not a visual learner"? It's pretty lame spin for a series of bad decisions by HC/GM.   The Browns and the Patriots are laughing at the Bills over this.  We felt bad about Gillislee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Doc said:  Hogan is the same as he was in Buffalo. With a far better QB, mind you.   We felt bad about Gillislee.  Did Chris Brown tweet that Gillislee had a learning disability? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Â Did Chris Brown tweet that Gillislee had a learning disability? No but he does have a lot of butter on those fingers. A kiss of death in NewEngland with BBÂ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Did Chris Brown tweet that Gillislee had a learning disability? Â Why would he if he doesn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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