BADOLBILZ Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, VW82 said: Are you kidding me? 75% of this board wants Allen to start immediately (which is dumb IMO) and now we're going to trade away the only offensive play maker on the roster? Sure hope not. They need support for Allen but the way they've slow-played the "building" portion of this re-build it's hard to imagine them having the roster they want before 2020. Which puts Shady in the retirement before even the faintest of SB hopes can be expected. What I mean by slow play is something like, for example, if they had traded for Mack they'd have an impact pass rusher on board to help cover up other deficiencies right now...............but the assumption now is that they will use their first rounder next year on a pass rusher early and it's usually a 2 year wait for that pass rusher to start playing up to his draft profile(assuming they do become successful). 7 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said: Do any of you know what his cap hit is for this year? Over 11 million. He's the 5th highest paid RB (when Bell reports) after the recent deals. Only a hand full of teams have the cap space. I think Lynch recently fetched a 5 round pick? I can't recall any other recent RB trades. The Raiders were ridiculed for being stupid then and that was with a 4.5 million salary for him. What did the Bills get for Lynch when he was a young guy, a 4th? The Bills messed up giving McCoy an extension when it wasn't needed. His cap hit is 9 million next year, too. They screwed up and as always we pay the price. 50-60 million in dead money over two years is inexcusable. I'd bee thrilled to get a bag of balls for him at this point. Anything more and we hit the jackpot. His base salary is all that transfers to a team if traded. That's a bit over $6M and presumably the trade would happen with only around $4M of that remaining unpaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Got it. Do they also automatically assume responsibility for his 6.1 base in 2019 as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) Trade him to the Raiders to get AJ back ... Gruden would go for it !! Edited September 10, 2018 by T master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I only say trade shady out of good faith to him. That guy doesn't deserve this crap team And yes I know what he's making yada yada go on about your mother bagging groceries I don't care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, YodaMan79 said: Did you even read the summary? It's all stuff that's been documented by the Philadelphia Inquirer and other "legitimate" publications. Guy's a known cancer and a d!ck. Take off your blinders. How about this: http://www2.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/lesean-mccoy-buffalo-bills-allegations-philadelphia-eagles-marcus-hayes-20180711.html https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2016/02/list_of_lesean_mccoys_off-field_incidents_grows_amid_philadelphia_police_investi.html Do you see a pattern here? I wanted no part of him in a Bills uniform. Having contacts in the media, going back to his rookie season people have been cleaning up his messes for a while. “Having contacts in the media.” That’s rich. Please do tell of all your contacts at major Philly media outlets that certainly aren’t just mouth-breathing bloggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Sorry. I can't help stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 4 hours ago, swnybillsfan said: on one hand, you would never get value for him. on the other hand, a case could be made to trade everyone for anything you can get! Isn't that kinda how we got here in the first place? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, NewEra said: No, you’re delusional. If we trade him, we’ll get more than a 6th. Care to make a wager? Wait.. Who’s delusional? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 If Allen is the guy now, Shady is his only chance at not having a complete trainwreck start to his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: They need support for Allen but the way they've slow-played the "building" portion of this re-build it's hard to imagine them having the roster they want before 2020. Which puts Shady in the retirement before even the faintest of SB hopes can be expected. What I mean by slow play is something like, for example, if they had traded for Mack they'd have an impact pass rusher on board to help cover up other deficiencies right now...............but the assumption now is that they will use their first rounder next year on a pass rusher early and it's usually a 2 year wait for that pass rusher to start playing up to his draft profile(assuming they do become successful). I get that Shady will be too old by the time Allen is ready to win (assuming he's ever ready to win) but that really wasn't my point. We have a crap oline and receivers who can't separate. If you trade our one offensive threat defenses are going to just tee off on Allen. The kid is really raw. If you're going to jump the gun and play him before he's ready you need to keep some help on the offense to take a little pressure off him. Otherwise he's likely to flame out, lose his confidence, get hurt, or some combination of all three. Edit: the best outcome would be to trade Shady for a vet QB who could start the rest of the year while Allen watches and learns. Maybe you sneak a few starts in for him toward the end of the year when we're out of it and the pressure is off. Edited September 10, 2018 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Wait.. Who’s delusional? If we trade Shady, we will get more than a 6th. $20, $50, $100? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, VW82 said: I get that Shady will be too old by the time Allen is ready to win (assuming he's ever ready to win) but that really wasn't my point. We have a crap oline and receivers who can't separate. If you trade our one threat defenses are going to just tee off on Allen. The kid is really raw. If you're going to jump the gun and play him before he's ready you need to keep some help on the offense to take a little pressure off him. Otherwise he's likely to flame out, lose his confidence, get hurt, or some combination of all three. Oh I agree that they've poorly handled the situation. But they do need assets for 2019 and beyond. The smart thing is probably to get a Matt Moore-type QB in here(though Moore himself would likely turn the gig down) and limit Allen's exposure this year altogether. I mean literally like cherry picking which games to play Allen and which to just let him watch unless he remarkably defies the odds and starts raising the level of the talent around him to make the team more competitive. The veterans wouldn't appreciate that kind of week-to-week QB incubation approach.........but that's part of the quandary and why moving those not in the 2019 plans makes sense. You CAN'T allow yourselves to wreck the QB......even at the expense of not getting him on the field as much as you'd prefer...and tbh as good as McCoy has been, I am not sure he is enough to significantly help Allen if the defense is giving up 28 points in the first half of games. Perhaps that roster spot goes to a guy off someone's practice squad and that guy turns into a contributor in 2019? Edited September 10, 2018 by BADOLBILZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 4 hours ago, nucci said: did you watch that game? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBorBust2018 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Rigotz said: It’s pretty obvious the Bills are gonna struggle badly this season. If we can get a nice pick for McCoy, this is pretty much a full rebuild and he’s only got 3-4 pro bowl years left, maximum. Reality seems to finally be setting in for Bills fans about this season. We need to trade him now, right? 3-4 pro bowl years. Keep deluding yourself. McCoy’s best years are behind him. This guy will have nothing left in the tank after this season. Edited September 10, 2018 by QBorBust2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Jauronimo said: Isn't that kinda how we got here in the first place? indeed. we are at the ground floor of the rebuild. i am merely looking at the possibility of going down to the basement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 At this point it only makes sense to shop Lesean for maximum value. We are not going anywhere with his talent right now, but instead, we can maximize it for the future. IMO, whatever he brings draft pick wise would be more suited on an Oline pick in the near future. The plus side to this for him is he will probably get a chance to actually go somewhere where he has a chance to win now, especially since he's closing fast on the twilight of his career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, TwistofFate said: At this point it only makes sense to shop Lesean for maximum value. We are not going anywhere with his talent right now, but instead, we can maximize it for the future. IMO, whatever he brings draft pick wise would be more suited on an Oline pick in the near future. The plus side to this for him is he will probably get a chance to actually go somewhere where he has a chance to win now, especially since he's closing fast on the twilight of his career. It’s the right thing for the team and for McCoy who has been nothing but a leader since being here. I thank you for your service McCoy. Maybe you can get a fourth? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Such a click bait title. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: At this point it only makes sense to shop Lesean for maximum value. We are not going anywhere with his talent right now, but instead, we can maximize it for the future. IMO, whatever he brings draft pick wise would be more suited on an Oline pick in the near future. The plus side to this for him is he will probably get a chance to actually go somewhere where he has a chance to win now, especially since he's closing fast on the twilight of his career. Fix the title of your post. If you know this for a fact, quote your source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: At this point it only makes sense to shop Lesean for maximum value. We are not going anywhere with his talent right now, but instead, we can maximize it for the future. IMO, whatever he brings draft pick wise would be more suited on an Oline pick in the near future. The plus side to this for him is he will probably get a chance to actually go somewhere where he has a chance to win now, especially since he's closing fast on the twilight of his career. which teams do you think would consider McCoy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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