How did Foster make the team?

[Sky Diver]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

And the knock remains. Yet you persist. Own it, acknowledge rather argue. Pray for the best like the rest of us. 

 

Not arguing, putting it in perspective.

[Cripple Creek]

56 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

That takes me back about 40 years.
surely you are not as Olde as I am ?

Ye?

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

And the knock remains. Yet you persist. Own it, acknowledge rather argue. Pray for the best like the rest of us. 

Finally I agree with something you said. 

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

 

Finally I agree with something you said. 

 

That makes me want to take it back.....

12 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Not arguing, putting it in perspective.

 

You are arguing that YOUR perspective is correct. You are ARGUING. 

 

The rest of us are hoping the guy comes around and produces. You are defensive about him. Take a deep breath, step back and look at this from the outside. 

[Sky Diver]

Anyway, with the Coleman signing it looks like PS.

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

 

You love that 34 rep number dont you. 

 

Here are some other states to show HOW effective those 34 reps where. 

 

Targets 5 

Catches 0. Yep that is ZERO, the big Zilch. 

4.41 speed guy though.

[Sky Diver]

1 hour ago, Kmart128 said:

 

Foster had 3 deep balls thrown his direction.

 

1st deep ball caught but thrown out of bounds.

 

2nd deep ball Foster got caught ball watching. He ran with his head starting at the pass instead of putting your head down running and looking back for the ball when it gets to you. Ball should have been caught if he tracked it properly but because he wasn't running at full speed and ball watching it fell out of his reach.

 

3rd deep ball Allen was scrambling and Foster stopped running cause he thought that Allen wasn't going to throw his direction. Would have been an easy TD if Foster didn't stop running. When a player has an arm like Allen you have to be prepared at all times.... He gave up on a play and it should have been a TD.

 

And I haven't even mentioned his drop.

 

Show me an example of a WR not looking back for the ball. The criticism on the second deep ball is ridiculous. What commentator does it come from?

 

 

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

 

You love that 34 rep number dont you. 

 

Here are some other states to show HOW effective those 34 reps where. 

 

Targets 5 

Catches 0. Yep that is ZERO, the big Zilch. 

 

Wrong, as usual. At least your consistent.

Edited August 17, 2018 by Sky Diver

[MAJBobby]

8 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Show me an example of a WR not looking back for the ball. The criticism on the second deep ball is ridiculous. What commentator does it come from?

 

 

 

Wrong, as usual. At least your consistent.

 

Where am I wrong. 

 

He had 5 targets right?

He has 0 catches right?

[Sky Diver]

11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Where am I wrong. 

 

He had 5 targets right?

He has 0 catches right?

 

You were watching the Bills, right? Blue uniforms, white helmets with a Buffalo.

 

What do you call that thing that happens at the 10 sec mark?

 

 

Edited August 17, 2018 by Sky Diver

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

You were watching the Bills, right? Blue uniforms, white helmets with a Buffalo.

I see you cant dispute the facts. Deflect away. 

 

5 targets, 0 catches 

[Sky Diver]

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I see you cant dispute the facts. Deflect away. 

 

5 targets, 0 catches 

 

Maybe this will help.

 

catch

kaCH,keCH/

verb

1.  
   intercept and hold (something that has been thrown, propelled, or dropped).

   "she threw the bottle into the air and caught it again"

   synonyms:

   seize, grab, snatch, take hold of, grasp, grip, trap, clutch, clench; More

    
2.  
   capture (a person or animal that tries or would try to escape).

   "we hadn't caught a single rabbit"

   synonyms:

   capture, seize; More

noun

1.  

   an act of catching something, typically a ball.

    
2.  
   a device for securing something such as a door, window, or box.

   "the window catch was rusty"

   synonyms:

   latch, lock, fastener, clasp, hasp "he secured the catch"

Edited August 17, 2018 by Sky Diver

[Logic]

I feel like this thread should be called "lone Crimson Tide fan battles dozens of realistic Bills fans".

ALL OF US are rooting for him to succeed. What Bills fan in their right mind WOULDN'T want a big, fast, talented receiver to do well and earn a role on offense? All everyone seems to be saying is that he needs some seasoning, he has some things to improve on, and he might not make the 53-man roster based on some drops and concentration lapses that have been happening for about two weeks now. No one says he can't EVER succeed or is a bum, just that he has a lot of work to do to make the roster. Why is that something that must be fought tooth and nail for 11 pages? 

Sheesh.

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Maybe this will help.

 

catch

kaCH,keCH/

verb

1.  
   intercept and hold (something that has been thrown, propelled, or dropped).

   "she threw the bottle into the air and caught it again"

   synonyms:

   seize, grab, snatch, take hold of, grasp, grip, trap, clutch, clench; More

    
2.  
   capture (a person or animal that tries or would try to escape).

   "we hadn't caught a single rabbit"

   synonyms:

   capture, seize; More

noun

1.  

   an act of catching something, typically a ball.

    
2.  
   a device for securing something such as a door, window, or box.

   "the window catch was rusty"

   synonyms:

   latch, lock, fastener, clasp, hasp "he secured the catch"

 

0 receptions (catches) 5 targets. 

 

Fit him for that Gold Jacket 

[Ga boy]

12 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

Yes, I saw the first one that was well out of bounds.  I also saw the second one where Foster was watching the ball for 25 yards and I also saw the 3rd one where he gave up on the play and stopped running.  

 

He got open on deep routes a couple times, no plays made.  1 on the QB.  1 clearly on Foster.  One split roughly 50/50.

 

Then there were the other targets, one where he either ran the wrong route or Allen missed him by 3 yards, 1 50/50 ball where he allowed the DB to undercut him, and one he flat out dropped.

 

He needs to make plays on Friday.  A lot of them.  It wouldn't hurt if he made a special teams tackle or 3 either.

 

 

If the dude is all of that, he better be all of that under the Friday nite lites.  Like to see it happen for him;  otherwise, his only Friday nite lites will be at HS football games back home.

[Ol Dirty B]

12 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

He had great separation on Thursday and just missed on two huge plays, scorching veteran CBs. He caught one, but the ball drifted out of bounds and the other was just outside of his reach.

 

He lit it up in practice on Monday.

 

"On Monday, he pushed that aside to have his best day of training camp by a substantial margin. Foster was all over the place, making catch after catch during team drills..."

 

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-7-observations-from-2018-buffalo-bills-training-camp-day-14

 

He has blazing speed and he knows how to get open. 

 

He was playing 3rd stringers against a secondary that was planning on starting Cockrell, and is now looking at Kevon Seymour.

 

Those guys are garbage he was playing. I like his athleticism and would love a surprise. But quit it with the agenda.

2 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Haven’t been to camp, but from what I’ve read, he was impressive in OTA’s but struggled a bit in camp.

 

If he was terrible and had no chance of making the team, do you think they gave him 34 reps? Do you think Allen’s first pass would have been a bomb to him. And if he can’t track a ball, how does he come down with a 60 yard pass?

 

If I connect the dots, he’s getting a good look.

 

Read my first post. There was nothing about Alabama. When the trolls pop up bashing the university, I’m going to respond. If they want to go off topic and discuss academics, I’ll play along. 

 

You only created this thread because of the Alabama connection. It's so transparent, it'd be better if you just owned it.

12 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Correct. He torched a 4.39 speed guy.

 

Did Steve Tasker point that out?

 

What if Tasker went to Alabama? You'd be having a hell of an identity crisis right now. 

[Sky Diver]

39 minutes ago, Logic said:

I feel like this thread should be called "lone Crimson Tide fan battles dozens of realistic Bills fans".

ALL OF US are rooting for him to succeed. What Bills fan in their right mind WOULDN'T want a big, fast, talented receiver to do well and earn a role on offense? All everyone seems to be saying is that he needs some seasoning, he has some things to improve on, and he might not make the 53-man roster based on some drops and concentration lapses that have been happening for about two weeks now. No one says he can't EVER succeed or is a bum, just that he has a lot of work to do to make the roster. Why is that something that must be fought tooth and nail for 11 pages? 

Sheesh.

 

A lot of the 11 pages are trolling about the academics at Alabama which is completely irrelevant to Foster and the Buffalo Bills. But hey, if you want me to discuss academics, I am happy to set the record straight on what a fine university Alabama is.

 

You must be new because a lot of the posters here aren’t in their right minds. 

 

I obviously disagree with the general assessment of Foster’s play last Thursday. 

25 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

He was playing 3rd stringers against a secondary that was planning on starting Cockrell, and is now looking at Kevon Seymour.

 

Those guys are garbage he was playing. I like his athleticism and would love a surprise. But quit it with the agenda.

 

You only created this thread because of the Alabama connection. It's so transparent, it'd be better if you just owned it.

 

What if Tasker went to Alabama? You'd be having a hell of an identity crisis right now. 

 

Great player, probably a nice guy, but a terrible announcer and commentator.

38 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

0 receptions (catches) 5 targets. 

 

Fit him for that Gold Jacket 

 

Providing you a definition of a catch clearly didn’t help.

 

Here is a video that describes what a catch is.

 

 

Edited August 17, 2018 by Sky Diver

[Ol Dirty B]

4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

A lot of the 11 pages are trolling about the academics at Alabama which is completely irrelevant to Foster and the Buffalo Bills. But hey, if you want me to discuss academics, I am happy to set the record straight on what a fine university Alabama is.

 

You must be new because a lot of the posters here aren’t in their right minds. 

 

I obviously disagree with the general assessment of Foster’s play last Thursday. 

 

Great player, probably a nice guy, but a terrible announcer and commentator.

 

Providing you a definition of a catch clearly didn’t help.

 

I agree on Tasker. He's atrocious, that doesn't change the fact it'd be a huge surprise if Foster makes the team, let alone contributes. Or the fact you only created this thread because he went to Alabama.

 

Just own the bias dude. People would respect your posts a lot more in my opinion. Don't call it independent thinking, it's not.

[Sky Diver]

9 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I agree on Tasker. He's atrocious, that doesn't change the fact it'd be a huge surprise if Foster makes the team, let alone contributes. Or the fact you only created this thread because he went to Alabama.

 

Just own the bias dude. People would respect your posts a lot more in my opinion. Don't call it independent thinking, it's not.

 

Funny since I was abused for criticizing Dareus, who I pegged as a bum early in his career. I was never a fan of the guy.

Edited August 17, 2018 by Sky Diver

[JoPar_v2]

25 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Funny since I was abused for criticizing Dareus, who I pegged as a bum early in his career. I was never a fan of the guy.

Cam Sims had another nice night at least.

[Punching Bag]

5 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

I think he should go straight to the wall.

 

Not surprising.  

[Ol Dirty B]

25 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Funny since I was abused for criticizing Dareus, who I pegged as a bum early in his career. I was never a fan of the guy.

 

Fair enough. It just seems to work the other way. I, like a lot of others hope Foster is a surprise. I just don't see it happening. He has all the physical tools. I just don't think he will. It wasn't as much but his hype reminds me of Da'rick Rogers out of Tennessee if I remember his name correctly. A guy with potential, but at that level more times the potential goes unfulfilled rather than working out. 

[Sky Diver]

18 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Fair enough. It just seems to work the other way. I, like a lot of others hope Foster is a surprise. I just don't see it happening. He has all the physical tools. I just don't think he will. It wasn't as much but his hype reminds me of Da'rick Rogers out of Tennessee if I remember his name correctly. A guy with potential, but at that level more times the potential goes unfulfilled rather than working out. 

 

I remember the hype. He plays for the Argos. There is no hype for Foster. 

 

Rogers had some off the field and behavioral issues, I believe. There is none of that with Foster. Foster played in a much better program/conference and he’s faster than Rogers. I don’t think they are the same type of players.

 

We’ll see how much playing time Foster gets tomorrow.

[Ol Dirty B]

48 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I remember the hype. He plays for the Argos. There is no hype for Foster. 

 

Rogers had some off the field and behavioral issues, I believe. There is none of that with Foster. Foster played in a much better program/conference and he’s faster than Rogers. I don’t think they are the same type of players.

 

We’ll see how much playing time Foster gets tomorrow.

 

You make awful points. Foster played in a better program, had a worse collegiate career. Rogers was supposedly a 3rd round grade or so but wouldn't quit smoking weed. Rogers had a way higher upside. 

 

Tennessee is in the SEC, wtf are you talking about? I'm trying to respect your point, but you have no respect for others points and just make flat out wrong ones. How is Rogers not similar to Foster? They are both bigger WRs with some speed. They both played in the SEC, they both have great potential from a physical stand point.

 

I keep getting warnings so I'm not going to go on with what I think of you now. But you totally lost me on any respect I had for you. That post was atrocious. You make up what you want to see. 

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I remember the hype. He plays for the Argos. There is no hype for Foster. 

 

Rogers had some off the field and behavioral issues, I believe. There is none of that with Foster. Foster played in a much better program/conference and he’s faster than Rogers. I don’t think they are the same type of players.

 

We’ll see how much playing time Foster gets tomorrow.

 

He got a lot of playing time last week. The problem was he didn't play well. I think tonight is in make or break territory for me. The guy he reminds me of (in off-season arc not in terms of playing style) is Dez Lewis. He had the same great time in shorts in OTAs and mini camp, buzz going into camp, struggles to make plays when training camp arrives and then shows up poorly on the field in pre-season.  

 

If Foster doesn't have himself a game tonight he will not be a Buffalo Bill much longer. 

7 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I obviously disagree with the general assessment of Foster’s play last Thursday. 

 

Take the 'Bama glasses off then. 

[Bill from NYC]

5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

You make awful points. Foster played in a better program, had a worse collegiate career. Rogers was supposedly a 3rd round grade or so but wouldn't quit smoking weed. Rogers had a way higher upside. 

 

Tennessee is in the SEC, wtf are you talking about? I'm trying to respect your point, but you have no respect for others points and just make flat out wrong ones. How is Rogers not similar to Foster? They are both bigger WRs with some speed. They both played in the SEC, they both have great potential from a physical stand point.

 

I keep getting warnings so I'm not going to go on with what I think of you now. But you totally lost me on any respect I had for you. That post was atrocious. You make up what you want to see. 

ODB, I don't know if Foster will be any good. I HOPE so but who knows?

 

As for the bold print above, try to understand that Foster played on a team with a great wr Calvin Ridley, AND a qb who was a runner and a game manager. A case could be made that he is not such a good passer at all. Additionally, deep down; Coach Saban prefers running the football over throwing it. He has adapted well (obviously) to the times but seriously.....he would rather run.

 

Foster probably has a lot to learn when compared to other rookies due to the above. He didn't get a whole lot of chances. Why don't we stay calm and see how it plays out?

[MrEpsYtown]

I still think Foster has a shot. He's just so athletic. I think he needs to show improvement in the passing game and needs to flash on special teams. I don't know how likely it is however, but I hope they can at least keep him around on the practice squad. At the end of the day, whoever makes the bottom of the reciever depth chart, be it Foster, Phillips, Reilly, probably isn't dressing on Sundays anyway. 

[ehfeuh57]

he doesn't pass what i call the Randy Moss test.

 

would Randy Moss have caught those balls?

 

then maybe he should have too

[Sky Diver]

6 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

You make awful points. Foster played in a better program, had a worse collegiate career. Rogers was supposedly a 3rd round grade or so but wouldn't quit smoking weed. Rogers had a way higher upside. 

 

Tennessee is in the SEC, wtf are you talking about? I'm trying to respect your point, but you have no respect for others points and just make flat out wrong ones. How is Rogers not similar to Foster? They are both bigger WRs with some speed. They both played in the SEC, they both have great potential from a physical stand point.

 

I keep getting warnings so I'm not going to go on with what I think of you now. But you totally lost me on any respect I had for you. That post was atrocious. You make up what you want to see. 

 

Rogers played one year at Tennessee and then transferred to Tennessee Tech after Tennessee suspended him. Tennessee Tech is a FCS school in the Ohio Valley Conference. Rogers acknowledged he failed 3 drug tests while he was at Tennessee.

 

My points stand. Foster is a 4.4 guy Rogers is a 4.5 guy. Foster has run a 4.34 while at Alabama. He has more than “some speed” and he plays fast. Foster has had no off the field or drug issues. Foster played in a superior college program/conference. If he plays at a school like TT, I’m sure that he would have gotten a lot more touches.

 

Foster played gunner with the first unit during camp, so he has special teams skills. I don’t know about Rogers.

 

Foster made two plays in last week’s game which were very nearly TDs after he torched veteran CBs. His potential is undeniable and he had a great practice on Monday according to an independent account.

 

I choose to be optimistic about Foster, but for some reason that is highly upsetting to some people.

Edited August 17, 2018 by Sky Diver

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Foster made two plays in last week’s game which were very nearly TDs after he torched veteran CBs. His potential is undeniable. 

 

Errr.... no he didn't.  If he had then we would be having a very different conversation here. He does have a ST advantage over the other potential PS WRs though. No denying that. 

[Sky Diver]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Errr.... no he didn't.  If he had then we would be having a very different conversation here. He does have a ST advantage over the other potential PS WRs though. No denying that. 

 

The first ball, which Foster caught, was thrown out of bounds and the second ball was just out of his reach. 

 

He made two excellent football plays to get behind veteran CBs on deep patterns that very easily could have resulted in TDs.

 

Maybe Coleman has the same ability. We’ll see. Otherwise, who do we have that can do what Foster did. We have to have a guy that can stretch the field.

Edited August 17, 2018 by Sky Diver

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Sky Diver said:

 

The first ball, which Foster caught, was thrown out of bounds and the second ball was just out of his reach. 

 

He made two excellent football plays to get behind veteran CBs on deep patterns that very easily could have resulted in TDs.

 

The second ball was not out of reach if he ran the route properly. He nearly made two plays. He didn't make two plays. It's a game of inches. Running fast behind a cornerback is not making a play unless when the ball is thrown your way you come up with it.  

[4merper4mer]

4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

The first ball, which Foster caught, was thrown out of bounds and the second ball was just out of his reach. 

 

He made two excellent football plays to get behind veteran CBs on deep patterns that very easily could have resulted in TDs.

 

Maybe Coleman has the same ability. We’ll see. Otherwise, who do we have that can do what Foster did. We have to have a guy that can stretch the field.

Dude.  Seriously.  You are literally changing the definition of the word play to make your Bama guy look good.  He looked bad.....not good.  Half a player....half a play.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Maybe Coleman has the same ability. We’ll see. Otherwise, who do we have that can do what Foster did. We have to have a guy that can stretch the field.

 

Yea. That's right. Robert Foster, UDFA, with 0 NFL pre-season catches (let alone regular season) has proven more than former 1st round pick Corey Coleman with 56 catches, over 700 yards and 5 touchdowns in real NFL games.

 

We will have to wait and see if Coleman can match the ability zero catch Foster has shown.  I mean come on man, this is ridiculous at this point. 

 

 

[SouthNYfan]

2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

The first ball, which Foster caught, was thrown out of bounds and the second ball was just out of his reach. 

 

He made two excellent football plays to get behind veteran CBs on deep patterns that very easily could have resulted in TDs.

 

You are just terrible at this.

 

The first one was caught as in it made it into his hands, yes.

Regarding it as a catch when talking about football, which is a "reception" then no, it wasn't.

He didn't make an excellent play because he didn't pay attention to his location by the sideline, and didn't even attempt to keep his feet in bounds.

Thusly, his stat like read a fat goose egg for receptions.

The one that was out of his reach read his fault.

He pulled up and waved his arms at it, making to legitimate attempt.

He should have caught that ball, but he didn't, because he made zero effort.

 

For somebody who brags about Alabama's academics you are pretty dense.

[Kmart128]

9 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Show me an example of a WR not looking back for the ball. The criticism on the second deep ball is ridiculous. What commentator does it come from?

 

 

 

Wrong, as usual. At least your consistent.

 

Well duh your supposed to look back for the ball... But not the entire time is in the air... Gotta look back for it when the ball is coming towards you. Foster started looking back for it way to early.

Edited August 17, 2018 by Kmart128

[SouthNYfan]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The second ball was not out of reach if he ran the route properly. He nearly made two plays. He didn't make two plays. It's a game of inches. Running fast behind a cornerback is not making a play unless when the ball is thrown your way you come up with it.  

 

He probably thinks the Bills won SBXXV, because by his definition, Norwood made the kick, since he had enough leg for it, even if it doesn't go between the uprights.

 

3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Dude.  Seriously.  You are literally changing the definition of the word play to make your Bama guy look good.  He looked bad.....not good.  Half a player....half a play.

Changing definitions of rules to fit around what he wants.

Sounds just like what saban does with recruiting, so this isn't surprising.

[Sky Diver]

22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The second ball was not out of reach if he ran the route properly. He nearly made two plays. He didn't make two plays. It's a game of inches. Running fast behind a cornerback is not making a play unless when the ball is thrown your way you come up with it.  

 

He came up with the first pass, but it was thrown out of bounds. That’s hardly Foster’s fault. I disagree about the 2nd pass.

 

He made two excellent football plays to get behind veteran CBs which very nearly resulted in TDs. Other Bills WRs likely don’t make those plays.

16 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:

 

Well duh your supposed to look back for the ball... But not the entire time is in the air... Gotta look back for it when the ball is coming towards you. Foster started looking back for it way to early.

 

Let’s assume for the sake of argument you’re right. He still torched a 4.39 CB by a few yards. Are we really arguing about a 50 or so yard pass that was just off his finger tips?  If he can do that with supposed bad technique, we may have something really special.

Edited August 17, 2018 by Sky Diver

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The second ball was not out of reach if he ran the route properly. He nearly made two plays. He didn't make two plays. It's a game of inches. Running fast behind a cornerback is not making a play unless when the ball is thrown your way you come up with it.  

 

THANK YOU. Beating the CB isn't making a football play.

 

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

He came up with the first pass, but it was thrown out of bounds. That’s hardly Foster’s fault. I disagree about the 2nd pass.

 

He made two excellent football plays to get behind veteran CBs which very nearly resulted in TDs. Other Bills WRs likely don’t make those plays.

 

An excellent football play would be an actual reception on both plays.

He had zero awareness of the sideline and made no effort to stay in on the first one.

The second he made no effort to catch it.

 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

He came up with the first pass, but it was thrown out of bounds. That’s hardly Foster’s fault. I disagree about the 2nd pass.

 

He made two excellent football plays to get behind veteran CBs which very nearly resulted in TDs. Other Bills WRs likely don’t make those plays.

 

Running behind a corner is NOT making a play. 

[Sky Diver]

Foster makes these guys look like they are wearing cement shoes. It looks like he caused a few ankle injuries.