Happy Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: My point is we are running NE offense and he is struggling in said offense. How will he be better in the more advanced program of this offense? But is this program that 'advanced'? We don't exactly have a Tom Brady at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No. I'm saying winning the award sin't a predictor of a long and successful career in the NFL. The way you linked that list I was expecting to see a bunch of scrubs. There is a lot of success on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: But is this program that 'advanced'? We don't exactly have a Tom Brady at QB. Again he is losing Reps to Lee and Croom and Thomas that has NOTHING to do with the QBs. That is ON him. And in this offense which NE runs also is being OUTPLAYED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 minute ago, SWATeam said: The way you linked that list I was expecting to see a bunch of scrubs. There is a lot of success on that list. There is indeed. O'Leary wasn't a highly valued prospect coming into the league and thus far in his NFL career he's been just okay. The point remains, being a Mackey award winner doesn't carry a lot of water in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Again he is losing Reps to Lee and Croom and Thomas that has NOTHING to do with the QBs. That is ON him. And in this offense which NE runs also is being OUTPLAYED. We have no idea what this means at this point. Maybe the coaches are comfortable with O'Leary and want to evaluate the others? We'll see how it plays out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Again he is losing Reps to Lee and Croom and Thomas that has NOTHING to do with the QBs. That is ON him. And in this offense which NE runs also is being OUTPLAYED. You’re assuming that he is losing reps to those guys because of his performance. I don’t know that to be true necessarily. Frequently, in the preseason, coaches will give extra reps to “fringe” players to see what they have. Not asserting that this is the case with O’Leary, but it is a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 As stated by others, we don't know what this move means. I will trust Daboll's decision, especially being a former TE coach with the Pats*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said: You’re assuming that he is losing reps to those guys because of his performance. I don’t know that to be true necessarily. Frequently, in the preseason, coaches will give extra reps to “fringe” players to see what they have. Not asserting that this is the case with O’Leary, but it is a possibility. But you assumed him losing reps isnsomething else hence your lock statement earlier in the thread. So going back to the point of the thread. Yes Nick OLeary is a possible cut. Notice how other positions the coaches are “comfortable” with at the position are not losing their reps. When has Hyde, Poyer, Dawkins, etc etc slipped down to third team reps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: My point is we are running NE offense and he is struggling in said offense. How will he be better in the more advanced program of this offense? 1) I am not defending O 'leary, as I said I could care less if he leaves but is he really struggling in this offense? Failure to understand it? I dont recall reading/hearing anything about that. 2) NE uses the Erhardt-Perkins system, for some players it is actually easier because the terminology is dramatically reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: There is indeed. O'Leary wasn't a highly valued prospect coming into the league and thus far in his NFL career he's been just okay. The point remains, being a Mackey award winner doesn't carry a lot of water in the league. And my point was that O'Leary has a history of success, at the highest level of college football at least, and has shown some flashes in this league. Which is more that can be said for the other TE's not named Clay. That carries more weight with me than training camp reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 In three seasons O'Leary has amassed 473 yards and 2 TDs, for a #2 (and he did start 12 games) TE in the NFL that is pretty pitiful. He is not some great blocking TE. We can and should upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, SWATeam said: And my point was that O'Leary has a history of success, at the highest level of college football at least, and has shown some flashes in this league. Which is more that can be said for the other TE's not named Clay. That carries more weight with me than training camp reports. Ok but the difference is it doesnt for the coaching staff. What they do know is to this point in his career he has been blah. They didnt draft him. And are taking 1st team reps away from him currently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: But you assumed him losing reps isnsomething else hence your lock statement earlier in the thread. So going back to the point of the thread. Yes Nick OLeary is a possible cut. Notice how other positions the coaches are “comfortable” with at the position are not losing their reps. When has Hyde, Poyer, Dawkins, etc etc slipped down to third team reps Quote my “lock statement.” It doesn’t exist. O’Leary is the 2nd TE. There has been lots of shuffling of the 2nd/3rd team players. What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I wouldn’t read too, too much into O’Leary with the 3rd stringers. They may just be trying to give more reps to Thomas, Lee, and Croom to see what shakes out. I think O’Leary is safe as our #2 TE. Ok instead of Lock you said Safe. Same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Maybe his jacked up ankle is hurting his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Ok instead of Lock you said Safe. Same thing. “I think O’Leary is safe...” is quite different than saying he is “a lock” to make the 53. Not even close to the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Quote my “lock statement.” It doesn’t exist. O’Leary is the 2nd TE. There has been lots of shuffling of the 2nd/3rd team players. What are you talking about? So what TE is working with the ones today. Ooo yeah nevermint it isnt Oleary. Like he was earlier on OTAs and Camp. So yes losing reps to other TEs. Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said: “I think O’Leary is safe...” is quite different than saying he is “a lock” to make the 53. Not even close to the same thing. Sure so the safe No 2 TE is not safe to make the top 53. try and spin and twist all you you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: So what TE is working with the ones today. Ooo yeah nevermint it isnt Oleary. Like he was earlier on OTAs and Camp. So yes losing reps to other TEs. What us the status of Clay, why isnt he out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Ok but the difference is it doesnt for the coaching staff. What they do know is to this point in his career he has been blah. They didnt draft him. And are taking 1st team reps away from him currently And it shouldn't, the coaches have access to these guys everyday. Until I see it with my own eyes, I can only go by the information that I have. And as Johnny said, we have no idea what the coaches are thinking with the rotations. Is Milano in trouble because Humber is taking first team reps in his place today? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Sure so the safe No 2 TE is not safe to make the top 53. try and spin and twist all you you want. What? I’m not trying to spin or twist anything. Quote all my posts in this thread. I merely have offered my opinion that O’Leary is safe to make the 53. You have differing opinions. The only fact here is that neither you or I know exactly what the coaches are thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, SWATeam said: And it shouldn't, the coaches have access to these guys everyday. Until I see it with my own eyes, I can only go by the information that I have. And as Johnny said, we have no idea what the coaches are thinking with the rotations. Is Milano in trouble because Humber is taking first team reps in his place today? HAHAHA that was in the article too. Milano was great last year, and I think he is in a better spot than O'Leary. However, LB and TE are both positions we can look to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, SWATeam said: And my point was that O'Leary has a history of success, at the highest level of college football at least, and has shown some flashes in this league. Which is more that can be said for the other TE's not named Clay. That carries more weight with me than training camp reports. Old offensive system with the two previous coordinators. He's guaranteed nothing based on what's actually happening at camp. If he retains his roster spot on the merits, the great if not that's the nature of the beast that is the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, SWATeam said: And it shouldn't, the coaches have access to these guys everyday. Until I see it with my own eyes, I can only go by the information that I have. And as Johnny said, we have no idea what the coaches are thinking with the rotations. Is Milano in trouble because Humber is taking first team reps in his place today? Excellent point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Excellent point. I think Milano is only penciled in as started Should this continue along into the week and the game on Friday, then perhaps there is something more to this. However, the Bills love Milano and likely just needed to challenge him a bit to get a response. The difference is between him and O'Leary is that O'Leary has been bleeding reps a lot longer. If Milano starts taking reps back then I wouldn't worry about it. But O'Leary seems to have some work to do to make the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 19 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: What us the status of Clay, why isnt he out there? He is. Run alot of 2 TE stuff and it has been Croom Today taking those reps 16 minutes ago, SWATeam said: And it shouldn't, the coaches have access to these guys everyday. Until I see it with my own eyes, I can only go by the information that I have. And as Johnny said, we have no idea what the coaches are thinking with the rotations. Is Milano in trouble because Humber is taking first team reps in his place today? If Humber taking Milanos reps continue into multiple days like OLeary’s have then yes Milano should start worrying or upping his play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Croom, especially, has had a good camp. They likely will keep 3 TE’s. I think they keep Clay, OLeary, and Croom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I think Oleary either gets cut or traded. Croom looks great and Khari Lee looks good also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 Just now, wppete said: I think Oleary either gets cut or traded. Croom looks great and Khari Lee looks good also. Thomas is also improving according to reports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Thomas is also improving according to reports. Yea I agree Thomas looks good. I think TEs will look like this. 1. Clay 2. Thomas 3. Croom 4 .Lee (Possibly practice roster) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 For people quoting his stats for the last 3 years, let us not forget the QB that is not here that could not find the center of the field. It might just be possible he'd have better stats with a different QB? I think it's too early to see what this demotion actually means. He's no lock for the 53 especaiily if the others are showing stuff in camp and the games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 This could also be a sign of things changing on offence around here. He was never great, just decent/good and only got alotnof attention because of his grandfather, otherwise most wouldn't care if he makes the roster or not. I dont think having him on the roster makes the team all that much better, but keeping him on the roster doesnt make the team any worse. He is upgradeable..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 hours ago, qwksilver said: For people quoting his stats for the last 3 years, let us not forget the QB that is not here that could not find the center of the field. It might just be possible he'd have better stats with a different QB? I think it's too early to see what this demotion actually means. He's no lock for the 53 especaiily if the others are showing stuff in camp and the games. But let's also entertain the idea that Daboll just might want more athletic TE's for his offense. And right now those guys seem to be outperforming NO in camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 43 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: But let's also entertain the idea that Daboll just might want more athletic TE's for his offense. And right now those guys seem to be outperforming NO in camp. Doesn't everyone want more athletic TE's? He was a 6th round pick for a reason. I'm just saying we don't know the reason for the demotion. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 O'Leary may not be a lock, but I think he still has a very good chance of being on the team this year. He played really good last year when Clay went down with the injury, and from what I've seen from his play, he does not strike me as a liability. I'm glad that Croom is getting more reps, and it's good to hear that Thomas is improving. Let's also remember that O'Leary was with the starters during the Panthers game, so he must be doing something good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 What if he got caught night putting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Beebe Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 4 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: What us the status of Clay, why isnt he out there? That's a good question. I haven't heard his name all preseason. Is he injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 He’ll land on his feet. I mean, being Jack Nicholson’s nephew and all... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Thomas may be a likelier cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 Sal Capaccio also thinks that NO could very well be on the proverbial bubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 hours ago, That's No Moon said: What if he got caught night putting? C’mon , you’ve got the wrong guy. It wasn’t Bob Hope either. Everyone knows that was Mitch Cumstein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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