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9 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

Joe Buscaglia

 

Peterman outplays McCarron once again
"For the majority of the practice, A.J. McCarron took the first-team reps with the offense as it was his turn during their spring-long rotation, but as the veteran quarterbacks on the team go, Nathan Peterman outperformed McCarron just as he did on Tuesday as well. McCarron had several passes batted down at the line of scrimmage and was having some trouble connecting with his receiver. He salvaged the day with a pair of big plays, one to Andre Holmes in the end zone in a jump ball situation, and another in a one-minute drill to end practice where he just lofted up a pass as time expired and Rod Streater miraculously came down with it in the back of the end zone. On the other hand, Peterman was solid in both his reads and his accuracy all day long. He gunned in a touchdown to Austin Proehl in the back of the end zone, and had a pretty pass that he dropped into a bucket on a deep pass to Robert Foster. Those that don't think Peterman has a legitimate chance to win the job to start the season are sorely mistaken. Now, this is only the spring, and training camp often brings us a bit of a different story as the battles play out, but of the five practices the media has been able to watch, Peterman has been the top guy between the two".

 

It's the first bolded piece of text that I think is really being overlooked ...and by choice in a lot of cases in here.

 

I'd just like to point out that the way Joe B sees it, and the way the people who know what the playcall really was see it may be different.

As you quote, Joe B says "in a one-minute drill to end practice where he just lofted up a pass as time expired and Rod Streater miraculously came down with it in the back of the end zone"

 

Here is the description of the same play from OBD " That was one of our plays and it kind of caught the defense off guard,” said Streater. “I ran to one side and then cut over and AJ put the ball on the money. It was a great throw and made it easy for me to come down with it.”

 

So...the reporter, who doesn't know the play etc says McCarron "just lofted up a pass" and Streater made a miracle catch.

Streater, who presumably knows, describes it as "one of our plays and it kind of caught the defense off guard" and says "AJ put the ball on the money and made (the catch) easy for me"

 

I think McDermott and Daboll are pragmatic enough that Peterman wouldn't be splitting reps with the 1's if they didn't think he had a legit chance to compete with McCarron.

 

I also think anyone who gets all crowy about how one guy allegedly "outplays" in a reporter's opinion of 11-on-11 drills in shorts in June, is also kidding himself.

 

The league and the leagues' cutoff bin is full of OTA warriors who disappear in training camp, and training camp warriors who shrivel up in the regular season (see Edwards, Trent).

 

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4 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

So is this how you moderators get down here on TwoBillsDrive?

 

Start up accounts under different usernames that touch on a similar topic so that you can then merge them under a different thread title?

 

Was taking the 'Prediction' aspect out my original thread title and replacing it with a title that suggests the thread creator is impulsive and unthinking that important?

 

Peterman gaining too much traction in the off-season?

 

It's good to go out on a limb and make a prediction, but when it gets too real you guys collude with one another and take it upon yourselves to reinvent threads?

 

Have never experienced this myself or heard of such a thing happening to another on any sports forum that I've ever been on until now.

 

Interesting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, transient said:

 

 

I can overlook the LA game. The lack of velocity on that pick, however, is galling. I’m pretty sure that pass couldn’t even have caught up with Pete Metzelaars on a dead run releasing into the flat unless he took a good chuck at the LOS. 

He had no business touching the field last year , unless in garbage time.

It was UGLY.

He'd need to take some gigantic steps to be a competent QB. 

 

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The limited reports we've been getting suggest that Peterman has outplayed McCarron in the last few days at least.  However, McCarron is the more recent acquisition and has a bigger contract than Peterman, who is on a fifth rounder's rookie deal.  Not that those things should matter, but they often do.  McCarron has also started more games than Peterman, whose only start was a disaster.  I'm not saying that Peterman can't beat out McCarron, but because McCarron has probably been seen as a safer pick to start, Peterman will have to make it abundantly clear that he is the superior QB to McCarron.  I'm not completely ruling out Allen as a starter in September, but because the plan has been to bring Allen along slowly, I think he will continue to have to wow the coaches, and play close to perfect football in training camp and the preseason to get McDermott to alter the plan to bring him along slowly.

 

So, at this point, I think the odds are about 60/40 McCarron starts.  Peterman has about a 30% chance to start and Allen brings up the rear at 10%.

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10 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

The limited reports we've been getting suggest that Peterman has outplayed McCarron in the last few days at least.  However, McCarron is the more recent acquisition and has a bigger contract than Peterman, who is on a fifth rounder's rookie deal.  Not that those things should matter, but they often do.  McCarron has also started more games than Peterman, whose only start was a disaster.  I'm not saying that Peterman can't beat out McCarron, but because McCarron has probably been seen as a safer pick to start, Peterman will have to make it abundantly clear that he is the superior QB to McCarron.  I'm not completely ruling out Allen as a starter in September, but because the plan has been to bring Allen along slowly, I think he will continue to have to wow the coaches, and play close to perfect football in training camp and the preseason to get McDermott to alter the plan to bring him along slowly.

 

So, at this point, I think the odds are about 60/40 McCarron starts.  Peterman has about a 30% chance to start and Allen brings up the rear at 10%.

The fact Peterman is getting reps tells me that it isn't out of the realm of possibility. It might just be that Peterman was thrown in a little to soon on a poor performing offence and had a bad game. He could also just be bad and always be bad. 

 

I just think if he was that terrible he wouldn't be seeing any reps. Just my opinion though. I think he is in the mix but just how much of a shot he has I can't speculate on right now.

 

I think they saw something in Peterman we didn't get to see. 

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3 minutes ago, Lfod said:

The fact Peterman is getting reps tells me that it isn't out of the realm of possibility. It might just be that Peterman was thrown in a little to soon on a poor performing offence and had a bad game. He could also just be bad and always be bad. 

 

I just think if he was that terrible he wouldn't be seeing any reps. Just my opinion though. I think he is in the mix but just how much of a shot he has I can't speculate on right now.

 

I think they saw something in Peterman we didn't get to see. 

Absolutely agree.  I think the coaching staff was disappointed in Peterman's performance in the Chargers game last year, but they didn't write him off as a possible starter.  When the decision was made to part with Tyrod, I think circumstances were set in motion that are a little bigger than Peterman's own ability, however.

 

The disastrous performance versus the Chargers meant that Beane could not stand pat and just count on Peterman succeeding Tyrod.  He had to plan either to obtain a clear veteran starter (which ultimately proved too expensive) or set up a competiton with multiple viable possibilities.  That's what he did by signing McCarron and drafting Allen.  The percentages I suggested are not much more than my guesses, but  because he has started multiple games, McCarron is going to be seen as a safer pick, and Allen, because he was the 7th overall draft pick automatically is awarded the mantle of "QB of the future."  It may not be this year, but you have to believe the Bills are going to do everything in their power to help Josh Allen develop not only into a starter, but into a franchise QB in order to prove to fans and the league that they were right to make the trade and pick him where they did.  If Allen is not the starter in 2020. if not 2019, lots of people around the league are going to question if Beane made a huge mistake, and that is the last thing Beane wants to happen.

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It will be an open competition between Nate and AJ.  Allen will sit and learn.

 

Nate has the lead now due to experience with the terminology and playbook.  

 

If Nate has put in the time to understand defenses better and work on his mechanics he has an outside chance to unseat AJ as the starter (assuming AJ struggles to pick up a new playbook).

 

Allen will not see the field in the regular season until week 8 at the earliest.

 

Upside...we might have 3 starting capable QB's on the roster making at least 1 of them trade worthy which would bring future high draft picks.

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28 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

The limited reports we've been getting suggest that Peterman has outplayed McCarron in the last few days at least.  However, McCarron is the more recent acquisition and has a bigger contract than Peterman, who is on a fifth rounder's rookie deal.  Not that those things should matter, but they often do.  McCarron has also started more games than Peterman, whose only start was a disaster.  I'm not saying that Peterman can't beat out McCarron, but because McCarron has probably been seen as a safer pick to start, Peterman will have to make it abundantly clear that he is the superior QB to McCarron.  I'm not completely ruling out Allen as a starter in September, but because the plan has been to bring Allen along slowly, I think he will continue to have to wow the coaches, and play close to perfect football in training camp and the preseason to get McDermott to alter the plan to bring him along slowly.

 

So, at this point, I think the odds are about 60/40 McCarron starts.  Peterman has about a 30% chance to start and Allen brings up the rear at 10%.

Peterman second start was much better considering the adverse conditions until he got knocked out.

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28 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

The limited reports we've been getting suggest that Peterman has outplayed McCarron in the last few days at least.  However, McCarron is the more recent acquisition and has a bigger contract than Peterman, who is on a fifth rounder's rookie deal.  Not that those things should matter, but they often do.  McCarron has also started more games than Peterman, whose only start was a disaster.  I'm not saying that Peterman can't beat out McCarron, but because McCarron has probably been seen as a safer pick to start, Peterman will have to make it abundantly clear that he is the superior QB to McCarron.  I'm not completely ruling out Allen as a starter in September, but because the plan has been to bring Allen along slowly, I think he will continue to have to wow the coaches, and play close to perfect football in training camp and the preseason to get McDermott to alter the plan to bring him along slowly.

 

So, at this point, I think the odds are about 60/40 McCarron starts.  Peterman has about a 30% chance to start and Allen brings up the rear at 10%.

I,ll agree on the 60/40 thing. I think the final decision will be made in the locker room. I think players opinions weigh heavily on who they feel they can win with.

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1 hour ago, BurpleBull said:

So is this how you moderators get down here on TwoBillsDrive?

Start up accounts under different usernames that touch on a similar topic so that you can then merge them under a different thread title?

 

:ph34r:

 

Now I'd just like to point out that in discussing non-football topics like forum policy and your "conspiracy theory" of how mods work, you didn't happen to address any of my substantive football points. 

 

Since surely that was an unintentional oversight, here you go again: 

[my previous post]

You quote Joe B: "in a one-minute drill to end practice where he just lofted up a pass as time expired and Rod Streater miraculously came down with it in the back of the end zone"

 

description of the same play from OBD " That was one of our plays and it kind of caught the defense off guard,” said Streater. “I ran to one side and then cut over and AJ put the ball on the money. It was a great throw and made it easy for me to come down with it.”

 

The reporter, who doesn't know the play, says McCarron "just lofted up a pass" and Streater made a miracle catch.

Streater, who presumably knows, describes it as "one of our plays" and says "AJ put the ball on the money and made (the catch) easy for me"

 

Anyone who thinks McDermott and Daboll would be having Peterman split reps if he didn't have a legit shot is kidding themselves, sure.  Anyone who gets all crowy about how one guy allegedly "outplays" in a reporter's opinion of 11-on-11 drills in shorts in June, is also kidding themself.

 

The league and the leagues' cutoff bin is full of OTA warriors who disappear in training camp, and training camp warriors who shrivel up in the regular season (see Edwards, Trent).

 

PS Interesting that your theory of how mods work involves creating different accounts under different usernames. (that's not necessary.  we have tools.)

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3 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

@PetermanThrew5Picks

 

What were we talking about last night?  

we did discuss the process IIRC

 

We have a rule that we don't fact check on the show, but accidentally took a look at his Chargers highlight real. That KB pass was 20 yards so we were glass half full glass half empty debating.

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14 minutes ago, bdutton said:

It will be an open competition between Nate and AJ.  Allen will sit and learn.  Nate has the lead now due to experience with the terminology and playbook.  

 

If Nate has put in the time to understand defenses better and work on his mechanics he has an outside chance to unseat AJ as the starter (assuming AJ struggles to pick up a new playbook).

 

You bring up an interesting point.  Supposedly, one of the things coaches liked last year about Peterman was that he was a "quick study" who could learn and recall plays accurately.

A couple times in OTA media access, I thought McCarron had a bit of a "deer in the headlights" glazy look to him.  He's coming off what, 4 seasons with the same system? and he may not be as "quick" of a study.  That could be factoring in there (though from the some stuff he said, it sounds as though McCarron is working double overtime to master it)

 

10 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

I,ll agree on the 60/40 thing. I think the final decision will be made in the locker room. I think players opinions weigh heavily on who they feel they can win with.

 

I most sincerely hope you are mistaken about that.

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Sorry, I completely forgot that Peterman started the Indianpolis "Snow Game" due to Tyrod's concussion.  Yes, considering the nightmarish conditions for a QB, his performance in that game was respectable.

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Peterman needs to learn to live to fight another day. Diving head first showed some real bravery. Peterman never played timid. 4 interceptions in he still let it fly. Snow game dives for extra yards. You can't knock his bravery or willingness to sacrifice himself that's for sure. 

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20 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

Sorry, I completely forgot that Peterman started the Indianpolis "Snow Game" due to Tyrod's concussion.  Yes, considering the nightmarish conditions for a QB, his performance in that game was respectable.

 

That snow game was AWESOME! Maybe not beautiful football but a highlight for me. It brought back warm memories. As someone pointed out, conditions slowed the game down. That may have helped Peterman....but he DID look good in those conditions. 

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On 6/12/2018 at 10:59 AM, BuffaloHokie13 said:

How are you logically getting from 2 TDs and 6 INTs in ~5 Quarters to 15 TDs and 4 INTs in 10 games? He isn't going to go from a 1:3 TD/INT to a ratio over 3:1 in an offseason. Also, we aren't going to go 10-0 with a QB putting up 1.5 TDs per game.

 

We're going to have a stingy opportunistic D. O isn't going to need to score that many points. Protect  the football. Kick FGs. That's the process.  No matter who is under center this year. 

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3 hours ago, TigerJ said:

The limited reports we've been getting suggest that Peterman has outplayed McCarron in the last few days at least.  However, McCarron is the more recent acquisition and has a bigger contract than Peterman, who is on a fifth rounder's rookie deal.  Not that those things should matter, but they often do.  McCarron has also started more games than Peterman, whose only start was a disaster.  I'm not saying that Peterman can't beat out McCarron, but because McCarron has probably been seen as a safer pick to start, Peterman will have to make it abundantly clear that he is the superior QB to McCarron.  I'm not completely ruling out Allen as a starter in September, but because the plan has been to bring Allen along slowly, I think he will continue to have to wow the coaches, and play close to perfect football in training camp and the preseason to get McDermott to alter the plan to bring him along slowly.

 

So, at this point, I think the odds are about 60/40 McCarron starts.  Peterman has about a 30% chance to start and Allen brings up the rear at 10%.

 

I think Allen will be the starter week one. It will be hard to keep him off the field when he plays great in training camp.

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On 6/13/2018 at 7:40 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

How big a disaster would it be if Peterman turned out to be really good?

I'd have to change my screen name.. but yeah that's the only con I guess if Peterman turns out to be really really good

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20 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I'd have to change my screen name.. but yeah that's the only con I guess if Peterman turns out to be really really good

Your screen name states the truth, no matter if 10 years from now they're measuring him for his HOF gold blazer...Peterman did throw 5 picks.

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2 hours ago, billspro said:

 

I think Allen will be the starter week one. It will be hard to keep him off the field when he plays great in training camp.

 

It'd be nice if that was true, but I really can't see him suddenly becoming a great QB at the highest level in one off season, when he hasn't been great at any other level of his career up through this point.


I guess technically anything is possible, but it'd be a first of its kind situation, and it would be a shock if the Bills were the team to manage that when no other teams could.

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On 5/21/2018 at 12:16 PM, BurpleBull said:

Nathan Peterman will win the starting QB position barring injury. He'll be much improved from last season.

 

Excited about Josh Allen as the starting QB, but Peterman is the guy people aren't talking about right now who will have everyone talking by the end of training camp.

 

He's worked on his mechanics, is said to have added velocity to his throws, has a lot to prove and is no stranger to struggling early in his career and picking himself up.

 

A little talked about fact concerning Peterman is that he's right up there with Allen as Bills QB's who've scored high on the Wonderlic test for those who equate the test to mental sharpness.

 

I still hold to the belief that Peterman was at the very least a third round prospect in his draft class.

 

Peterman will be the guy.

 

So this is how I have it panning out... 

 

1. Peterman

 

2. McCarron

 

3. Allen

 

With Allen at three for his protection as he starts out his young career.

 

I never wanted to bother with this thread... but unbelievably it's somehow reached 29 pages.

 

Still so confident in Peterman???

 

Peterman seems like he's improved, but it was almost impossible not to from what he was doing last year.

 

Despite whatever McDermott's claims are about slotting in camp at this moment, 6 weeks from the start of camp... I'm doubting Peterman is any better than 3rd in line for Week #1.

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24 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I never wanted to bother with this thread... but unbelievably it's somehow reached 29 pages.

 

Still so confident in Peterman???

 

Peterman seems like he's improved, but it was almost impossible not to from what he was doing last year.

 

Despite whatever McDermott's claims are about slotting in camp at this moment, 6 weeks from the start of camp... I'm doubting Peterman is any better than 3rd in line for Week #1.

 

So you are concerned about this thread being 29 pages , but the Tyrod thread which you regularly contribute to ( a player no longer on the team by the way) is 25 pages?

 

Im sure that will be different though somehow..

 

I wish you hadn’t of bothered..

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10 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

So you are concerned about this thread being 29 pages , but the Tyrod thread which you regularly contribute to ( a player no longer on the team by the way) is 25 pages?

 

Im sure that will be different though somehow..

 

Regularly???? :huh:

 

Believe me... I'm not a regular. I've checked in there no more than a handful of times... and a couple of those were easily to criticize the thread for its very existence.

 

Check my posting history for your proof... and saying "you posted 5 times today" would only demonstrate ignorance considering all posts pretty much came at once and I'm not remotely responsible for that thing staying on page 1.

 

I'll happily watch it die.

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Just now, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Regularly???? :huh:

 

Believe me... I'm not a regular. I've checked in there no more than a handful of times... and a couple of those were easily to criticize the thread for its very existence.

 

Check my posting history for your proof... and saying "you posted 5 times today" would only demonstrate ignorance considering all posts pretty much came at once and I'm not remotely responsible for that thing staying on page 1.

 

I'll happily watch it die.

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How do I check how many times you have posted in that thread?

 

My estimate would be somewhere between eleventy million and a gazillion.,,

 

But before we go completely down that rabbit hole... why the issue with a thread about Peterman and not Tyrod?

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Just now, Aussie Joe said:

 

How do I check how many times you have posted in that thread?

 

My estimate would be somewhere between eleventy million and a gazillion.,,

 

But before we go completely down that rabbit hole... why the issue with a thread about Peterman and not Tyrod?

 

Are you computer retarded???

 

Not a personal insult... legit question.

 

Click on username, look at content history, find how many separate days I bothered posting there.

 

Peterman sucked donkey balls more than any other QB I think I've ever seen in a Bills uniform in his limited snaps last year and has an arm that is not remotely NFL caliber, that's why.

 

If he improved and strengthened his arm... well... that's good, but the only direction for him really was up.

 

And trust me... I'm rooting for him because he's in a Bills uniform.

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Just now, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Are you computer retarded???

 

Not a personal insult... legit question.

 

Click on username, look at content history, find how many separate days I bothered posting there.

 

Peterman sucked donkey balls more than any other QB I think I've ever seen in a Bills uniform in his limited snaps last year and has an arm that is not remotely NFL caliber, that's why.

 

If he improved and strengthened his arm... well... that's good, but the only direction for him really was up.

 

And trust me... I'm rooting for him because he's in a Bills uniform.

Yes I’m computer retarted..

 

Cant you just tell me?

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Just now, Aussie Joe said:

 

Hey?

 

you just gave me some click BS..

 

No, I didn't.

 

Have a good night though, bro... remind me how guilty I'm NOT of keeping that Tyrod thread on page 1.

 

Look forward to reading it. :thumbsup:

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

I wouldn’t want to admit it either.,

 

Eleventy Million..

 

Oh... I get it... my bad... you're just a Troll...

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21 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

No, I didn't.

 

Have a good night though, bro... remind me how guilty I'm NOT of keeping that Tyrod thread on page 1.

 

Look forward to reading it. :thumbsup:

 

Oh... I get it... my bad... you're just a Troll...

 

 

Apologies... you have only posted 25 times in the Tyrod thread... not eleventy billion..

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2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I never wanted to bother with this thread... but unbelievably it's somehow reached 29 pages.

 

Still so confident in Peterman???

 

Peterman seems like he's improved, but it was almost impossible not to from what he was doing last year.

 

Despite whatever McDermott's claims are about slotting in camp at this moment, 6 weeks from the start of camp... I'm doubting Peterman is any better than 3rd in line for Week #1.

 

Very much so. 

 

Josh Allen had a very good last showing but that doesn't negate what Peterman put together. 

 

I do believe Peterman is the frontrunner in the minds of McDermott and Daboll to lead the first team offense come training camp, with Allen being brought along gradually.

 

The final day of minicamp was Allen's 'wow' moment of minicamp, we know he has the tools to be a very good QB but there still will be no rush to throw him into the fire.

 

They will continue to be patient with his development.

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https://articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/03/why_buffalo_bills_brass_still_has_faith_in_qb_nathan_peterman.amp

 

Any time the topic steers to Tyrod Taylor, Buffalo Bills coach Sean McDermott and general manager Brandon Beane are quick to mention their other quarterback in conversation.

Despite a rough rookie season in which he threw five interceptions in one half in his first start, Nathan Peterman still has the backing of those in the Bills' building. While it's clear the team is looking to upgrade the quarterback position, Peterman is still in the long-term plans.

 

http://buffalonews.com/2018/06/12/minicamp-notebook-nathan-peterman-has-some-pretty-strikes-with-starters/

 

Nathan Peterman took almost all the snaps with the first-team Tuesday during the first day of the Buffalo Bills' Minicamp.

 

Peterman, the second-year quarterback from Pittsburgh, produced two of the three best throws of the day.

 

The point is we’ve seen good from all the QB’s in OTA’s.  

 

Just what do these reports mean?

 

 

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29 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

https://articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/03/why_buffalo_bills_brass_still_has_faith_in_qb_nathan_peterman.amp

 

Any time the topic steers to Tyrod Taylor, Buffalo Bills coach Sean McDermott and general manager Brandon Beane are quick to mention their other quarterback in conversation.

Despite a rough rookie season in which he threw five interceptions in one half in his first start, Nathan Peterman still has the backing of those in the Bills' building. While it's clear the team is looking to upgrade the quarterback position, Peterman is still in the long-term plans.

 

http://buffalonews.com/2018/06/12/minicamp-notebook-nathan-peterman-has-some-pretty-strikes-with-starters/

 

Nathan Peterman took almost all the snaps with the first-team Tuesday during the first day of the Buffalo Bills' Minicamp.

 

Peterman, the second-year quarterback from Pittsburgh, produced two of the three best throws of the day.

 

The point is we’ve seen good from all the QB’s in OTA’s.  

 

Just what do these reports mean?

 

Well, if I had to guess they mean: 

 

15 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

How much of a fierce pass rush was he facing?   

 

It’s practice people.   Practice 

 

57 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

No, I made a general comment about all the QB’s.   

 

This happens every season.   

 

Great passes and and great catches that don’t happen in live games.  

 

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Peterman had 1 really bad half of football as a rookie and so many wrote him off. He impressed in preseason last year and was competent in the snow game. All reports have indicated that he has improved from his rookie year, which makes sense. 

 

Peterman has a better arm than Mccaron and is a better athlete. He offers some playmaking ability when things break down where Mccaron offers next to nothing. 

 

This is is going to be Josh Allen’s team but until he takes command I would much rather roll with Peterman than Mccaron. The qb in this offense is not going to be permitted to just be a distributor of the football. The line and limited amount of playmakers will cause the qb to have to play off script and Peterman is the better option until Allen is ready. 

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