Bucky Gleason Leaving TBN After Requesting a Buyout - Jerry Sullivan and Now Tim Graham Out

[Peter]

30 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

 

you’ve dug yourself a mighty fine hole there.

so why not keep digging.

?

 

jw

 

Really?

 

I doubt that.

 

Perhaps you are referring to the part of my earlier post when I wrote:

 

- I always respected you;

 

- It is clear the the Pegulas and the people that work for their teams do as well;

 

- there is a huge difference between you, Vic, and Tim, on the one hand, and Sully, Bucky, and Harrington on the other.

 

As I also wrote, to paraphrase Chris Berman: No one circles the wagons like Buffalo Sports media when one of their own is criticized.

 

I hate to see anyone lose their jobs.  After all that has happened, we can only hope for Sully and Bucky's sake that they will gain some perspective and empathy.  Maybe, just maybe, they actually will do some self reflection and will not be so quick to incessantly, overly criticize people . . .  and with the maximum amount of snark.

 

God bless.

16 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Terry Pegula is self taught in geology. 

 

He holds a degree in Petroleum and Natural Gas Engineering from Penn State and spent a decade working for Getty and other oil companies before founding East Resources. His “luck” was many years in the making as his training, diligence, technical advances, and timing served to make informed speculations. He’s the quintessential American success story; completely self made. 

 

Any suggestion that he got “lucky” a la Jed Clampett is uninformed at best. 

 

Well said.

 

He made his own luck and put himself in the position to be where he is today.

 

Interestingly, so did Sully . . . he put himself in the position that he finds himself in today . . . as did Bucky.

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, Peter said:

 

Really?

 

I doubt that.

 

Perhaps you are referring to the part of my earlier post when I wrote:

 

- I always respected you;

 

- It is clear the the Pegulas and the people that work for their teams do as well;

 

- there is a huge difference between you, Vic, and Tim, on the one hand, and Sully, Bucky, and Harrington on the other.

 

As I also wrote, to paraphrase Chris Berman: No one circles the wagons like Buffalo Sports media when one of their own is criticized.

 

I hate to see anyone lose their jobs.  After all that has happened, we can only hope for Sully and Bucky's sake that they will gain some perspective and empathy.  Maybe, just maybe, they actually will do some self reflection and will not be so quick to incessantly, overly criticize people . . .  and with the maximum amount of snark.

 

God bless.

A smart man once told me not to get so frustrated with everyone that is different from myself. He said everyone had a purpose. In one list you have the overly proffesional guys who report facts, in the other list you have guys that ask hard/dirty questions that no one else wants to ask. JW used examples of important questions that BG and JS posed towards ownership and Whaley. I’m not ok with those hard questions being never asked again.

 

As a fan it was very important that Whaley fell so hard on his face that day and it may have expedited the rebuild/retool. 

 

In short, even if you didn’t agree with JS/BG or disliked their style, they had a place. 

[Peter]

1 minute ago, Commonsense said:

A smart man once told me not to get so frustrated with everyone that is different from myself. He said everyone had a purpose. In one list you have the overly proffesional guys who report facts, in the other list you have guys that ask hard/dirty questions that no one else wants to ask. JW used examples of important questions that BG and JS posed towards ownership and Whaley. I’m not ok with those hard questions being never asked again.

 

As a fan it was very important that Whaley fell so hard on his face that day and it may have expedited the rebuild/retool. 

 

In short, even if you didn’t agree with JS/BG or disliked their style, they had a place. 

 

I have no problem with tough questions.  That is not the point.  

[JohnC]

10 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

All things happen for a reason. I like where we are right now.

The reason why there was so much tumult in the organization was very evident. It related to dysfunction and incompetence. 

 

The Bills are certainly in a better spot with this new regime. They have brought order, coherency and competency to this former rag tag operation. Without having to agree with every move at least they were understandable and made sense. I believe that the Bills are still a couple to few years away from being a serious team. But at least now you can see a direction and am identity forming in this once formless organization. 

Edited May 31, 2018 by JohnC

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

I think of you more as a Mary Poppins type. With a rapier in her umbrella handle.

I'm not sure how that applies here, but for some reason it does. ?

 

'Spoonful of sugar'  not me.  'Feed the Birds' sometimes. 

 

I'm more the "Speak softly and carry a shilelagh" type I believe.

[Cripple Creek]

15 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

A smart man once told me not to get so frustrated with everyone that is different from myself. He said everyone had a purpose. In one list you have the overly proffesional guys who report facts, in the other list you have guys that ask hard/dirty questions that no one else wants to ask. JW used examples of important questions that BG and JS posed towards ownership and Whaley. I’m not ok with those hard questions being never asked again.

 

As a fan it was very important that Whaley fell so hard on his face that day and it may have expedited the rebuild/retool. 

 

In short, even if you didn’t agree with JS/BG or disliked their style, they had a place. 

Those same questions, and much more pointed ones, are asked here on a regular basis. Do you really believe that without Sullivan and/or Harrington those questions will go unasked?

 

i highly doubt that will be the case. If it is then all jw need do is look in the mirror.

[CommonCents]

Just now, Cripple Creek said:

Those same questions, and much more pointed ones, are asked here on a regular basis. Do you really believe that without Sullivan and/or Harrington those questions will go unasked?

 

i highly doubt that will be the case. If it is then all jw need do is look in the mirror.

That’s what’s great about TBD, there is balance. Everyone serves a purpose. If you take out all the posters who second guess OBD what do you then have?

 

It’s a safe bet that BN will be looking to hire someone that is less willing to rock the boat.

 

It’s entertainment for us fans on and off the field, I don’t need the Pegula’s being praised for every decision to continue being a fan.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Those same questions, and much more pointed ones, are asked here on a regular basis. Do you really believe that without Sullivan and/or Harrington those questions will go unasked?

 

i highly doubt that will be the case. If it is then all jw need do is look in the mirror.

 

I'll go one step further.  Of recent years, the "hard questions" being asked by Sullivan and Gleason were sometimes asked in an insulting and/or adversarial way that lacked real potential elicit meaningful information in response, nor IMHO was it intended to do so.  An example would be one I believe Wawrow brought up, Sullivan's "What is it you do exactly?" question of Whaley.  "Can you clarify for us your role in...." or "is it true that you did...."  could elicit meaningful information.  "What is it you do exactly?" was pure snark, the journalist equivalent of a "LAMP" here.

 

I think any "vacuum" will be filled by others asking hard questions, and in a more meaningful way actually intended to potentially elicit information.  There's a lot of room between PR guys like Chris Brown/Murphy and what Gleason/Sullivan had become.

[Mike in Horseheads]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'll go one step further.  Of recent years, the "hard questions" being asked by Sullivan and Gleason were sometimes asked in an insulting and/or adversarial way that lacked real potential elicit meaningful information in response, nor IMHO was it intended to do so.  An example would be one I believe Wawrow brought up, Sullivan's "What is it you do exactly?" question of Whaley.  "Can you clarify for us your role in...." or "is it true that you did...."  could elicit meaningful information.  "What is it you do exactly?" was pure snark, the journalist equivalent of a "LAMP" here.

 

I think any "vacuum" will be filled by others asking hard questions, and in a more meaningful way actually intended to potentially elicit information.  There's a lot of room between PR guys like Chris Brown/Murphy and what Gleason/Sullivan had become.

When practically the first question out of Sully's mouth to Pegula when he bought the Bills was about building a new stadium their relationship was over. Good riddens Sully and your snarky ass questions.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Wow.  This thing kinda got out of hand while I was asleep...... reading it objectively I don't think either side comes out very well. Maybe let's all take a breath and move on.  

 

 

Your unnecessary "speak for yourself" take wasn't a good look either.    Your takes certainly hadn't come off as "dancing on the grave" that dave had talked of and you kind of interjected yourself into that category for no reason, IMO.   Which lead you to explain why you are better equipped to critique Sully.  Are most literary critics esteemed authors themselves? ?

 

But as for this thread........sometimes you gotta' play Jauron Ball and drag them into the mud they are making and see how they like it.

 

Tim Graham learned that.....perhaps here.......and uses it well on twitter I am told.?

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Your unnecessary "speak for yourself" take wasn't a good look either.    Your takes certainly hadn't come off as "dancing on the grave" that dave had talked of and you kind of interjected yourself into that category for no reason, IMO.   Which lead you to explain why you are better equipped to critique Sully.  Are most literary critics esteemed authors themselves? ?

 

But as for this thread........sometimes you gotta' play Jauron Ball and drag them into the mud they are making and see how they like it.

 

Tim Graham learned that.....perhaps here.......and uses it well on twitter I am told.?

 

I wasn't suggesting critics have to be writers.  I don't agree with that at all in fact.  But the accusation seemed to be without being a writer your criticism was somehow invalid.  EDIT: Actually worth saying that when dave clarified what he was trying to convey in his original post I had no argument with his point.  Dave and I managed to have that exchange without resorting to silliness.  

 

But what went on last night was just a bit childish back and forth in my opinion. 

Edited May 31, 2018 by GunnerBill

[May Day 10]

23 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

When practically the first question out of Sully's mouth to Pegula when he bought the Bills was about building a new stadium their relationship was over. Good riddens Sully and your snarky ass questions.

 

 

It started when Pegula bought the Sabres and tried to publicly instruct the media to be overly positive and write nice things about Tim Connolly instead of wondering why the Sabres refused to move on from him.  TBN mocked him (as it was a ridiculous notion), and since the relationship has been pretty rocky.  

 

It goes both ways too.  Pegulas have been every bit as spiteful as TBN columnists.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I wasn't suggesting critics have to be writers.  I don't agree with that at all in fact.  But the accusation seemed to be without being a writer your criticism was somehow invalid.  

 

But what went on last night was just a bit childish back and forth in my opinion. 

 

Keeping it civil starts with avoiding the unnecessary responses.   You could see the people he was referring to.   They aren't our best and brightest so lumping yourself in with them and adding unnecessary weight to their cause made no sense.

 

[Delete This Account]

10 hours ago, Peter said:

 

You have read the agreement?

 

If so, please tell us how much they were paid in their buy outs. I know you will not but I suspect that it was not a lot for someone who worked there for 29 years.

 

Please also explain why Bucky and Harrington could not keep their stories straight.  Bucky tweeted that he initiated the buy out: "I requested, received and accepted a buyout from TBN."

 

Harrington, on the other hand, admitted that TBN initiated this: "Voluntary buyouts were offered and people are making personal, life-changing decisions."

 

It is typical in any end of employment pay out for the employer to insist on the waiver of any claims and a non disclosure agreement or at least a non disparagement clause.  If TBN did not do so when making these payments, this would surprise me very much . . . and I would wonder what their attorneys' advice was.

 

what are you, nuts.

i'm not going to share with you what i know based on personal conversations i've had that will remain personal.

 

you make some baseless claim.

are called out for it.

and now it's on me to provide proof. how about you provide proof that these nda's actually exist.

 

you're wrong. deal with it.

 

jw

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Keeping it civil starts with avoiding the unnecessary responses.   You could see the people he was referring to.   They aren't our best and brightest so lumping yourself in with them and adding unnecessary weight to their cause made no sense.

 

 

I clearly didn't think the response was unnecessary. As for best and brightest.... I try not to have too many fixed opinions about posters. I take them for what each individual post says. 

[CommonCents]

38 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'll go one step further.  Of recent years, the "hard questions" being asked by Sullivan and Gleason were sometimes asked in an insulting and/or adversarial way that lacked real potential elicit meaningful information in response, nor IMHO was it intended to do so.  An example would be one I believe Wawrow brought up, Sullivan's "What is it you do exactly?" question of Whaley.  "Can you clarify for us your role in...." or "is it true that you did...."  could elicit meaningful information.  "What is it you do exactly?" was pure snark, the journalist equivalent of a "LAMP" here.

 

I think any "vacuum" will be filled by others asking hard questions, and in a more meaningful way actually intended to potentially elicit information.  There's a lot of room between PR guys like Chris Brown/Murphy and what Gleason/Sullivan had become.

It’s all personal preference.

 

I thought the “what is it you do exactly” was perfect. I had heard enough of Whaley stumbling his way through his time as GM, I didn’t need to hear anymore. That question put the exclamation point on Clown Show! 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Keeping it civil starts with avoiding the unnecessary responses.   You could see the people he was referring to.   They aren't our best and brightest so lumping yourself in with them and adding unnecessary weight to their cause made no sense.

 

You are again referring to me I believe.  Want to compare IQs?

 

Seriously, you are not the arbiter of posting.  I'm sorry you did not like my postings in this thread, but I have pointed out a number of times now that the whole luck or not  thing was a straw man designed to avoid the main topic of the thread.  I continue to wait for an answer from jw on whether he thought the frequent insults and churlishness exhibited by S&G were his idea of professional journalism.  I have not received an answer.  I asked for your thoughts on it; I have not received an answer, other than cheap shots about intelligence.

 

Are you willing to discuss actual issues or do you just want to throw around cheap shots?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

It’s all personal preference.

 

I thought the “what is it you do exactly” was perfect. I had heard enough of Whaley stumbling his way through his time as GM, I didn’t need to hear anymore. That question put the exclamation point on Clown Show! 

 

I understand that it was a great "Zinger!" and popular with people who had had enough of Whaley.

But ask yourself if it was an effective journalistic question actually intended or designed to elicit information - the prototypical "hard question" of journalism.

 

I think it was not.  YMMV.

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I clearly didn't think the response was unnecessary. As for best and brightest.... I try not to have too many fixed opinions about posters. I take them for what each individual post says. 

 

You mean like people should take each individual Sully or Bucky piece rather than lump them in?    Because there actually were plenty of positively spun pieces written.   3 seasons above .500 in 18 years just doesn't provide much to work with, unfortunately.   And of course all the things that the supposed "bad guys" knew over the years that were never said.   The narrative that people anyone in the local media are "out to get" the Bills or Sabres is wrong and that's the fuel for the grave dancing, IMO. 

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I understand that it was a great "Zinger!" and popular with people who had had enough of Whaley.

But ask yourself if it was an effective journalistic question actually intended or designed to elicit information - the prototypical "hard question" of journalism.

 

I think it was not.  YMMV.

 

It was a reactionary question.    The media........and subsequently the fanbase........was getting the  run-around that week.    It was ridiculous.    Try pulling that off in markets just 300-400 miles east of here.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

It was a reactionary question.    The media........and subsequently the fanbase........was getting the  run-around that week.    It was ridiculous.    Try pulling that off in markets just 300-400 miles east of here.

 

It sounds as though we agree.  You say "reactionary question", I say "zinger" or snark.

 

The point is, we both appear to agree it wasn't an example of a "hard journalistic question" per se as some have brought up may be missed or left as a gap with Sullivan and Gleason's departure.

[oldmanfan]

I have said several times here Sullivan and Gleason were and are good writers.  I liked much of Sully's stuff, particularly his stuff on his golf pursuits, some of his Olympics and college material.  Gleason when not writing about the Bills or Sabres was frequently very good.  I like Wawrow's work.

 

My criticism of Sullivan and Gleason is that they would frequently get overly snarky and resort to personal attacks when writing about the Bills and Sabres.  I have no problem with negative takes; God knows both teams have earned that. I just don't think that type of writing was professional; guys like Felser were critical without resorting to that.

 

For some reason these guys and other reporters get very nasty if someone challenges them.  Sullivan used to write his question and answer column and would just get over the top if anyone differed with him.  Graham is another guy.  A very good writer, some of his stuff brings tears to your eyes.  But he wrote an article about EJ once where he told EJ to his face he thought he wasn't good, made himself the story in my opinion.  When I emailed to offer my view he got really nasty and insulting.  Others here have mentioned the Twitter feeds from these guys get insulting (I don't do Twitter).  And I think if you look at jw's posts here he has also been pretty nasty (and I have in response and likely should not have).

 

Why is it this attitude appears so prevalent?  Why not write tough, critical work without the insults, and carry on reasonable dialog and debate?

[plenzmd1]

15 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 The narrative that people anyone in the local media are "out to get" the Bills or Sabres is wrong and that's the fuel for the grave dancing, IMO. 

 

 

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I think this misses the point entirely..forget whether someone was out to get the Bills or not, it comes down to whether the customers wanted to read these guys and were willing to PAY to read these guys. I think the BN said our business is better without these folks, plain and simple. You can cry to the heavens they were good journalists and should not have been let go, but seems the BN made a business decision. In all honesty..did you pay the money for a subscription?

 

It is much like Fox News...you can agree or disagree with guys like Hannity and Carlson..but damn, they bring in viewers and advertisers..Buck and Sully doing the opposite.

[IDBillzFan]

9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Ask yourself if it's worth it.

 

LA did not.........he bickered on the same premise you are........"I don't care who you are".......TG and Lori then left and LA and a few others got called out for it.........LA got defensive and has dedicated his TSW life to bringing to light the crimes of Tim Graham.

 

But yes I was joking.......that's what the laughing emoji was for.......everybody knows LA is a total Tim Graham-hate-fueled nut job.

 

 

Sometimes you're more unhinged than Richie Incognito in a weight room.

 

Please do this: Count all my posts at TSW in the past five years, then count how many of them were hate-fueled Tim Graham posts. Show everybody how I have dedicated my TSW time to everything Tim Graham.

 

Do it. And when you're done, come back here with your evidence and I'll accept your apology for lying.

[Delete This Account]

3 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

 

Sometimes you're more unhinged than Richie Incognito in a weight room.

 

Please do this: Count all my posts at TSW in the past five years, then count how many of them were hate-fueled Tim Graham posts. Show everybody how I have dedicated my TSW time to everything Tim Graham.

 

Do it. And when you're done, come back here with your evidence and I'll accept your apology for lying.

 

Now this thread is finally getting interesting.

 

?

 

jw

[BADOLBILZ]

17 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I have said several times here Sullivan and Gleason were and are good writers.  I liked much of Sully's stuff, particularly his stuff on his golf pursuits, some of his Olympics and college material.  Gleason when not writing about the Bills or Sabres was frequently very good.  I like Wawrow's work.

 

My criticism of Sullivan and Gleason is that they would frequently get overly snarky and resort to personal attacks when writing about the Bills and Sabres.  I have no problem with negative takes; God knows both teams have earned that. I just don't think that type of writing was professional; guys like Felser were critical without resorting to that.

 

For some reason these guys and other reporters get very nasty if someone challenges them.  Sullivan used to write his question and answer column and would just get over the top if anyone differed with him.  Graham is another guy.  A very good writer, some of his stuff brings tears to your eyes.  But he wrote an article about EJ once where he told EJ to his face he thought he wasn't good, made himself the story in my opinion.  When I emailed to offer my view he got really nasty and insulting.  Others here have mentioned the Twitter feeds from these guys get insulting (I don't do Twitter).  And I think if you look at jw's posts here he has also been pretty nasty (and I have in response and likely should not have).

 

Why is it this attitude appears so prevalent?  Why not write tough, critical work without the insults, and carry on reasonable dialog and debate?

 

 

"Life is a comedy for those that think.........and a tragedy for those who feel" 

 

- PTR

 

If EJ was in the NYC market he would have laughed it off because you know you aren't going to be coddled there.

 

I heard James Harden the other night getting called out for going 0-11 from three and rather than being mad about it he was self deprecating.    That's how you diffuse that type of criticism.   Not getting mad about people pointing out that you aren't performing to the level necessary.    Criticism for poor play is part of the fat paycheck and fame/privilege provided.

[Peter]

56 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

 

what are you, nuts.

i'm not going to share with you what i know based on personal conversations i've had that will remain personal.

 

you make some baseless claim.

are called out for it.

and now it's on me to provide proof. how about you provide proof that these nda's actually exist.

 

you're wrong. deal with it.

 

jw

 

Your reading comprehension apparently is not as good as I would have thought. 

 

Apparently, you skipped over the part where I wrote: "I know you will not [tell us how much they were paid]."

 

I also have a very hard time believing that, in your "personal conversations" with Sully/Bucky, the subject of an NDA was among the things you discussed or that you went over clauses relating to non disparagement etc. 

 

Which part of my claims are baseless:

 

That I respect you?

 

That you and Vic and Tim are worlds better than these two guys?

 

That Sully and Bucky have a deep personal disdain for the Pegulas?

 

That employment separation agreements typically include a waiver of claims and an NDA or some sort of non disparagement?

 

That Bucky and Harrington were inconsistent in the way that they portrayed the buyouts (Bucky tried to make it sound like it was all his idea)?

 

That no one circles the wagons like Buffalo sports media when one of their own is criticized?

 

That I hope Sully and Bucky gain some perspective from all that has happened and use that perspective if and when they ever have an opportunity to write articles and will not be so quick to incessantly and overly criticize with the maximum amount of snark?

Edited May 31, 2018 by Peter

[BADOLBILZ]

11 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

 

Sometimes you're more unhinged than Richie Incognito in a weight room.

 

Please do this: Count all my posts at TSW in the past five years, then count how many of them were hate-fueled Tim Graham posts. Show everybody how I have dedicated my TSW time to everything Tim Graham.

 

Do it. And when you're done, come back here with your evidence and I'll accept your apology for lying.

 

 

Every single one starts with it in your avatar.

 

It's just an entirely weird thing to obsess on.

 

Everyone knows it but you apparently.

[IDBillzFan]

Just now, john wawrow said:

 

Now this thread is finally getting interesting.

 

?

 

jw

 

It is, but it won't last long. Here's how it will go:

 

• He'll explain how he doesn't need to prove anything, and then reference how I argued with TG in a thread years ago that led to TG leaving TBD.
• I'll post the thread he's referencing...a thread I literally did not post in...and he'll say it doesn't matter, he knows what he knows.
• Then he'll call me names and take shots at me personally about something that he remembers back when Shout! was still in print.
• This thread will be closed.
• He'll come back to a different thread and explain how everyone is ruining TBD.

 

[oldmanfan]

You are missing the point.  Deliberately or not I'm not sure.  My point is the reporter to me made himself the story.  And when I challenged him in it he got really insulting and nasty.

 

Why is it the reporters can't just write without making it personal?  It happens too often these days, and didn't when I was younger.

[K-9]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Every single one starts with it in your avatar.

 

It's just an entirely weird thing to obsess on.

 

Everyone knows it but you apparently.

I knew it, you HATE the letter B! 

[BADOLBILZ]

16 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

I think this misses the point entirely..forget whether someone was out to get the Bills or not, it comes down to whether the customers wanted to read these guys and were willing to PAY to read these guys. I think the BN said our business is better without these folks, plain and simple. You can cry to the heavens they were good journalists and should not have been let go, but seems the BN made a business decision. In all honesty..did you pay the money for a subscription?

 

It is much like Fox News...you can agree or disagree with guys like Hannity and Carlson..but damn, they bring in viewers and advertisers..Buck and Sully doing the opposite.

 

 

I think it's more about the indifference created by unending failure of the organization to field ANYTHING CLOSE to a championship contender IMO.    Fox News deals with contenders.   That's why that model works.   Expectations are so low in Bills Country that sweating the details has no appeal to anyone.  The amount of Sully haters is the same.    They won by attrition.   If the team gets competitive again it should re-ignite the competitive spark in fans that makes critical "we can do better" pieces appealing.   It will just be a different person writing the column.   It sells in competitive markets and always will.    So if you don't like it.........root for continued losing and mediocrity like 7-9 win seasons and more of the same from the Sabres.    Hopefully our new QB and defensemen excel and help keep you guys miserable.

[Cripple Creek]

13 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

It is, but it won't last long. Here's how it will go:

 

• He'll explain how he doesn't need to prove anything, and then reference how I argued with TG in a thread years ago that led to TG leaving TBD.
• I'll post the thread he's referencing...a thread I literally did not post in...and he'll say it doesn't matter, he knows what he knows.
• Then he'll call me names and take shots at me personally about something that he remembers back when Shout! was still in print.
• This thread will be closed.
• He'll come back to a different thread and explain how everyone is ruining TBD.

 

Quoted for truth though you did leave out the bluster and drooling.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Commonsense said:

That’s what’s great about TBD, there is balance. Everyone serves a purpose. If you take out all the posters who second guess OBD what do you then have?

It’s a safe bet that BN will be looking to hire someone that is less willing to rock the boat.

It’s entertainment for us fans on and off the field, I don’t need the Pegula’s being praised for every decision to continue being a fan.

 

I could be mistaken, but I don't think TBN will be hiring right now.  I think the option of accepting "buy outs" is being offered to cut "headcount" permanently.

[Lurker]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I could be mistaken, but I don't think TBN will be hiring right now.  I think the option of accepting "buy outs" is being offered to cut "headcount" permanently.

 

I suspect they'll add one columnist to replace two...

[May Day 10]

54 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

It was a reactionary question.    The media........and subsequently the fanbase........was getting the  run-around that week.    It was ridiculous.    Try pulling that off in markets just 300-400 miles east of here.

 

We were getting the run-around for almost 20 years, with the Bills' poor moves and .  When the Pegulas purchased the team, Sullivan and Gleason were on point to ask about hiring a team president.  Instead they stuck with the people in place, and predictably, the franchise hit a series of embarrassing icebergs. 

 

Same thing with the Sabres.  Pegula came in and resisted change and bringing in experience.  Retained management and only started to make changes when fan and media pressure became too much (and even then they made a botch of it).  There has been a series of awful moves there.

 

As a result, we have a few inexperienced management teams for each franchise, with Terry and Kim firmly involved, to the point that Terry is helping assess quarterbacks and Kim is President of both teams.  If this structure works out.... great.  If not, I don't want another move bypassing experience in upper management.  I would like critical voices in the media calling them out on it.  

 

 

Because they obviously want to be deeply involved and hands on with these teams, I just hope that the Pegulas' influence and power isnt becoming too strong and will be above criticism (or at least will have the ability to avoid a lot of it locally).  They neutered WGR when they brought the Bills broadcasting rights over.  1270 the Fan hasnt been able to get the listener base to maintain a radio show.  I wonder how much they have to do with these moves at TBN.  It would probably be pretty easy to tilt their business decisions with financial investment or patronage.  

[CardinalScotts]

On 5/25/2018 at 11:38 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I never liked Bucky's work but man what a disgusting **** show the last 15 years......and truthfully MOST of Ralph's ownership was.     Some things needed to be said.

for sure but was doesnt need to be said is Lumping in the new regime with the old ones...but they do. Completely unprofessional and unfair

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Lurker said:

I suspect they'll add one columnist to replace two...

 

I think they'll add zero columnists.  From what has been published about their union agreement, I would think the reporters who accepted being "downsized" would have a grievance if TBN hired new reporters or columnists.

[BADOLBILZ]

21 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

It is, but it won't last long. Here's how it will go:

 

• He'll explain how he doesn't need to prove anything, and then reference how I argued with TG in a thread years ago that led to TG leaving TBD.
• I'll post the thread he's referencing...a thread I literally did not post in...and he'll say it doesn't matter, he knows what he knows.
• Then he'll call me names and take shots at me personally about something that he remembers back when Shout! was still in print.
• This thread will be closed.
• He'll come back to a different thread and explain how everyone is ruining TBD.

 

 

 

I don't bash this forum.  Individual posters, absolutely.   We can be better but it's a great forum and I am not passive about expressing that.

 

You've just consistently been on the wrong side of right here.........you were one of the original DOOOOOOOMED posters back in the early 2000's when you shouted down anyone who was concerned about the direction of the organization.........which then eroded into a team that missed the playoffs for 17 years.    I called you out for your irrational takes then.   I do it now.   You've earned it.

[Bill from NYC]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I could be mistaken, but I don't think TBN will be hiring right now.  I think the option of accepting "buy outs" is being offered to cut "headcount" permanently.

I wish they would hire Badol to report on the Bills and provide an in depth, knowledgeable, accurate, honest, intricate analysis for all things Buffalo Bills because that is exactly what he has done here for decades.

 

Nobody is ever 100% accurate but my experience on TSW (also 2 decades) tells me that if you disagree with Badol about football matters, chances are you are going to be wrong. Nick Saban however might be able to teach him a thing or 2.  

[Lurker]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think they'll add zero columnists.  From what has been published about their union agreement, I would think the reporters who accepted being "downsized" would have a grievance if they hired new reporters or columnists.

 

Not at all.   The BN saves money from a 2-for-1 hire, so there's nothing the Guild can grieve...