Magnum Force Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Just now, billsfan89 said: What is odd is that Zay was considered to be a high character guy coming out of college. Maybe he used drugs to cope with having a lot of pressure on him this past season. I hope that he has a nice bounce-back year, mental issues are something a young player can work through. Once again I would like to see them try and get another proven veteran to compete for a top spot but outside of Dez the market is very slim. I agree and wouldn't mind bringing in Eric Decker for a visit also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkep32 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 11 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: I’m not particularly keen on Dez, but if he is signing a one year “prove it” deal for peanuts, then I don’t think he considers the Bills.... And not sure the Bills would want him... wouldnt want him in the locker room/side line/practice yelling why dont you throw me the ball i was wide open. He brings nothing of value to the table. The cowboys didnt even offer him less money they just let him go. Sounds nice on paper but with AJ and allen battling it out for qb1 we dont need a princess yelling in there ear that he was WIDE OPEN! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Dez is basically where Eric Moulds was from 2003-2005. A prematurely over the hill WR due to a heavy legged body that can no longer play explosive football at ground level and needs to out-physical opponents and win far too many 50/50 balls to get his nut. And like Moulds he will still insist on getting his 8-10 targets even though he can't get open. And if you throw him the ball 10 times per game you might get a highly inefficient 1,000 yards out of him if he can stay healthy. That would be difficult to imagine..........that is an ELITE WR amount of targets.....not something a 12 ypc WR can hope for. KB is not really a true #1 but he is far more productive at this point.........about 2.5 ypc more.........which is saying something because he can't get much separation himself. The Bills #2 WR will be lucky to get more than 5-6 targets per game. The Bills need WR help desperately but I can't envision Dez being able to deal with that drop in targets when he thinks he's somehow going to get better and earn a long term deal. Seems like a pipe dream for him and a subsequently recipe for discontent for whoever signs him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 23 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: So, where do you guys stand on the whole Dez thing? ?♂️ ...when Jurrah doesn't even want him at a reduced rate and reports out there say clubs don't even want him at a vet minimum, the SS Minnow hit bottom....pass..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 12 hours ago, NewDayBills said: Is it really? Our QB stable is actually pretty decent. One of the hottest backup QBs over the last 2-3 years and the #7 overall pick. Dez and Benjamin would be disgusting! I'd love Dez on a 1 year prove it deal, get it done. Allen needs all the help he can get. Wait, what? Veteran WR's near the end of their careers rarely want to work with rookies and inexperienced QB's. We have one of the most unproven, under developed, most inexperienced QB group in the entire league. We have a rookie, a 5th round pick who started 2 games (and finished neither), and a 3 year backup who only started 4 games, all in his rookie season. A combined 6 games started between 3 QBs is about the worst situation for a veteran WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 30 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: So, where do you guys stand on the whole Dez thing? ?♂️ Get him in here ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Dez is basically where Eric Moulds was from 2003-2005. A prematurely over the hill WR due to a heavy legged body that can no longer play explosive football at ground level and needs to out-physical opponents and win far too many 50/50 balls to get his nut. And like Moulds he will still insist on getting his 8-10 targets even though he can't get open. And if you throw him the ball 10 times per game you might get a highly inefficient 1,000 yards out of him if he can stay healthy. That would be difficult to imagine..........that is an ELITE WR amount of targets.....not something a 12 ypc WR can hope for. KB is not really a true #1 but he is far more productive at this point.........about 2.5 ypc more.........which is saying something because he can't get much separation himself. The Bills #2 WR will be lucky to get more than 5-6 targets per game. The Bills need WR help desperately but I can't envision Dez being able to deal with that drop in targets when he thinks he's somehow going to get better and earn a long term deal. Seems like a pipe dream for him and a subsequently recipe for discontent for whoever signs him. Agreed. I have the impression KB in the past has traded heavily on the "always open 3 feet over my head" principle. Without healthy knees to enable his vertical leap, he faltered. I'm hoping his knee is healed and he's able to shed the extra pounds to better protect it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 43 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: so many are assuming Zay is going to become an NFL WR this coming season and play the slot position. There is little data to back that up. and that does affect whether Bills pursue a viable proven WR in free agency imo I doubt Dez earns that much buzz at OBD. lol Little data?? I'd think that he was one of the top college WR would equal or trump one year with the Bills with a QB who didn't throw much to WR and when he did oftne wasn't that accurate either. Granted he did drop a fair amount particularly early in the season. But hard to explain how a guy could have 158 catches in one season in college and now feel that he has bad hands. It could be his speed doesn't translate to the NFL, but hard to forget how to catch the ball. I recall Eric Moulds didn't do a whole lot until around his 3rd year and fans were calling him abust, give him some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 22 minutes ago, McBean said: Get him in here ASAP. Monday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 42 minutes ago, bkep32 said: wouldnt want him in the locker room/side line/practice yelling why dont you throw me the ball i was wide open. He brings nothing of value to the table. The cowboys didnt even offer him less money they just let him go. Sounds nice on paper but with AJ and allen battling it out for qb1 we dont need a princess yelling in there ear that he was WIDE OPEN! This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 I really hope this ends up being true. I just can’t see any possible way that it’s this far into it and nobody, anywhere is mentioning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Yuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, BillsFan17 said: I'm saying you based your rationale that we crossed people off our draft board is not all that smart considering you base that on conjecture. My follow up point was Dez isnt going to see Buffalo as a chance to optimize his value. The guy wants a one year deal where he can prove him self and cash in big. Idc if Buffalo offers him a deal or not, just not the best fit for Dez. That being said, if Dez gets uber desperate there is a chance he could consider Buffalo, but he could also just wait until their is an injury in camp or pre season and cash in with a team desperate enough. Fair enough, I made a mistake in claiming that McBeane crossed both Mayfield and Rosen off their draft board. With that said, the rumor that they did so was out there. Considering the way this regime has built their team, excluding those guys from their draft board wouldn’t surprise me in the least. I don’t think this a manner of what Dez wants. Dez has actually elicited very little interest. I’d be shocked if we had any interest in Dez. I doubt that whether or not he wants to come here will ever become a factor. Edited May 6, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 1 minute ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Fair enough, I made a mistake in claiming that McBeane crossed both Mayfield and Rosen off their draft board. With that said, the rumor that they did so was out there. Considering the way this regime has built their team, excluding those guys from their draft board wouldn’t surprise me in the least. I don’t think this a manner of what Dez wants. Dez has actually elicited very little interest. I’d be shocked if we had any interest in Dez. I doubt that whether or not he wants to come here will ever become a factor. So you’re saying that Zay’s brain is in his hands? That’s the problem I saw last year imo. A players brain affects how their body plays, that's a proven thing by sports psychologists. If the pressure and higher competition at the NFL level combined with a lack of success got in Zay's head then it could have crippled his play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: A players brain affects how their body plays, that's a proven thing by sports psychologists. If the pressure and higher competition at the NFL level combined with a lack of success got in Zay's head then it could have crippled his play. Understandable. Admittedly, I’m just really down on Zay. I know that receivers can take a while to develop, so I haven’t given up on him. I just hope that my gut feeling about him is wrong. I still believe that Zay is a slot receiver at best. Unfortunately, I think that this coaching staff wants to use him on the outside too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 3 hours ago, DBilz2500 said: More details emerging: expect the deal to be mostly guaranteed money at around $6-7 million per year. Nice double down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 3 hours ago, DBilz2500 said: More details emerging: expect the deal to be mostly guaranteed money at around $6-7 million per year. Ugh. No thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Maybe Bryant is the national sales rep for that line of eyeglass frames Tyrod was styling in during Super Bowl week? Just a courtesy call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr. Who Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, PIZ said: I wonder what constitutes "bargain-basement price." Badolbilz analysis seems cogent to me, so it would have to be an awfully good bargain, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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