Like A Mofo Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Question: I hard one draft expert on WGR a few days ago state 'The analytics suggest that Josh Allen will not become a franchise QB' What analytics is he referring to? Anyone know where they are available? Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 we sure could use saviorpeterman and his "next gen" stats right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Josh Allen will not look good on analytics. There is no system that is perfect. Allen is an elite talent and has a good chance to be an exception to all analytics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 this thread had the Warren Sharp quotes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 I read that last post quickly and it read "Insightful Analysis from Warren Sap" to me upon first read. Now that is funny. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Tom Brady was a 7th rounder... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said: Question: I hard one draft expert on WGR a few days ago state 'The analytics suggest that Josh Allen will not become a franchise QB' What analytics is he referring to? Anyone know where they are available? Thanks in advance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, BearNorth said: Tom Brady was a 7th rounder... LOL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 22 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said: Question: I hard one draft expert on WGR a few days ago state 'The analytics suggest that Josh Allen will not become a franchise QB' What analytics is he referring to? Anyone know where they are available? Thanks in advance See this analysis that someone posted a while back: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/qbase-2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 24 minutes ago, Mark80 said: I read that last post quickly and it read "Insightful Analysis from Warren Sap" to me upon first read. Now that is funny. Same lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 18 minutes ago, BearNorth said: Tom Brady was a 7th rounder... 6th Rounder actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsflyer12 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 30 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said: Question: I hard one draft expert on WGR a few days ago state 'The analytics suggest that Josh Allen will not become a franchise QB' What analytics is he referring to? Anyone know where they are available? Thanks in advance https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/24/17271686/josh-allen-nfl-draft-2018-stats-analysis-comparisons https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/5/17046116/2018-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-josh-allen-sam-darnold-projections-hype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 42 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said: Question: I hard one draft expert on WGR a few days ago state 'The analytics suggest that Josh Allen will not become a franchise QB' What analytics is he referring to? Anyone know where they are available? Thanks in advance College completion rate. That's about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 31 minutes ago, BearNorth said: Tom Brady was a 7th rounder... I suggest some analytics on your statement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 46 minutes ago, billspro said: Josh Allen will not look good on analytics. There is no system that is perfect. Allen HAS elite traits and has a good chance to be an exception to all analytics. I corrected this because we do not know if he is. The elite talent is still to be determined. Everyone is in love with his measurable and everyone is wondering/hoping if he can be a franchise QB 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) 53 minutes ago, BearNorth said: Tom Brady was a 7th rounder... He was a 6th rounder and he is why QBs like Jimmy Clausen and EJ Manuel go early now. 25 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: College completion rate. That's about it. And how he crumbles under pressure. And how he is bad against the blitz. And how he leaves more clean pockets than the other top 4. And how his adjusted completion percentage was still the worst. And how he actually had the lowest drop rate out of the big 4. And how he had the worst completion percentage in passes under 15 yards. And how.... He's our guy and I will support, but a lot of glaring issues that the staff ignored or didn't care about because he can make plays nobody else can. You can usually tell how bad a guys performance was based on the amount of excuses that need to be made for them. Edited May 3, 2018 by Elite Poster 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Wonder if it's the same analytics the Cleveland Browns relied so heavily on, that told them Carson Wentz would never be a top 15-20 QB in the NFL... Hopefully the Bills end up looking as smart as the Eagles did. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Josh Allen is big. Carson Wentz is big. Josh Allen can throw far. Wentz can throw far. Allen went to an obscure College in a northern state where not many people live. Wentz went to an obscure college in a northern state where not many people live. Thus, Allen = Wentz. Analytics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 I'm keeping an open mind but his final year in d1 was bad. The coaches pulled him way back from 16'. Look at the Oregon, Air Force & Hawaii games. 64, 70, 92....Yikes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Like A Mofo said: Question: I hard one draft expert on WGR a few days ago state 'The analytics suggest that Josh Allen will not become a franchise QB' What analytics is he referring to? Anyone know where they are available? Thanks in advance I just started a thread on this topic; listen to Eric Galko from yesterday on WGR-550. Maybe that was what you were thinking of. For example, since 1999, no college QB with fewer than 30 starts and a completion % in college below 60% has ever amounted to jack at the NFL level. Allen had 27 starts. Completion percentage was 56.2% for his career. There are mathematical models for predicting college QB success in the NFL. The people who actually study that stuff/compute that stuff/know of that stuff almost universally do not think Allen will amount to anything in the NFL. The people who are prone to ignoring it are the people who are ignorant of it to begin with, or place little value in it, i.e., ex football players. Allen COULD be a success, of course, but the data/historical record predicts he will not be successful. He's an unbelievably high risk/reward pick. 1 hour ago, BearNorth said: Tom Brady was a 7th rounder... 6th rounder and one of the greatest statistical anomalies in sports history. You basing your draft strategy off crazy 1 in 10 million lighting strikes? Let me know how that works out for you. Much smarter, more predictable, and more reliable to go where the data leads you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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