RD1, Pick 7: Josh Allen QB - Wyoming

[MarlinTheMagician]

So stoked.  Feel we got better talent at 7 and 16 than Browns got at 1 & 4.  Allen is by all accounts a worker, he has elite arm talent, great running skills and ENORMOUS hands.  Lighted up if you had a man crush on another - he is now our man!  

Lighten

 

 

[Prickly Pete]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Just curious, what makes you say that? Because EJ got a 28 on the wonderlic compared to Allen’s 32 and EJ didn’t have stupid tweets get leaked.

 

why is Allen is 50000x smarter?

 

Yeah, I thought EJM was reasonably bright, and a great dude. I liked EJM, but he wasn't a good QB.

[RussellDopeland]

I was wondering if those, who have already decided that Allen will be a bust, can tell me what tomorrow night's Mega Million numbers are going to be. Point is you can't see what's coming. The draft is not some sort of refined art- it is a glorified crapshoot. These executives have a handful of darts that they are throwing, hoping that some stick. And if they hit the occasional bullseye, that's the cherry on top of the sundae. 

[Alphadawg7]

12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Thanks Alphadawg. This post makes me feel better about the pick.

 

No problem and thanks.  For me, I am just excited to have a QB here with so much potential and a great LB prospect.  Great night IMO.  Looking forward to see what the kid can do.  Like I said, I was a Baker Mayfield guy all the way, but was going to be happy with any of the top 5 QB's, even Lamar.  All had a lot to like about them and had their own set of risks.  Allen though had BY FAR the best off season and really impressed me to start changing my mind on him. 

 

And honestly, Rosen's comments after the draft made me feel like we got the right Josh too.  He's a real hard guy to like...and that concerns me for a QB.

Edited April 27, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Roundybout]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Just curious, what makes you say that? Because EJ got a 28 on the wonderlic compared to Allen’s 32 and EJ didn’t have stupid tweets get leaked.

 

why is Allen is 50000x smarter?

 

Yeah im a little drunk and my brain mixed up EJ and Cardale. My bad.

[Prickly Pete]

Just now, MarlinTheMagician said:

So stoked.  Feel we got better talent at 7 and 16 than Browns got at 1 & 4.  Allen is by all accounts a worker, he has elite arm talent, great running skills and ENORMOUS hands.  Lighted up if you had a man crush on another - he is now our man!  

Lighten

 

 

 

All this and more. He is tough, a big dude, and competitive. I can't see why there would be so much anger. It's a good day!

[RocCityRoller]

2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

QBs with big arms always work out. I mean you only have to go all the way back to Elway to find one that did.

 

Brett Favre?

[JerseyBills]

Cam Newton 2.0!

[Ol Dirty B]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Just curious, what makes you say that? Because EJ got a 28 on the wonderlic compared to Allen’s 32 and EJ didn’t have stupid tweets get leaked.

 

why is Allen is 50000x smarter?

 

1 minute ago, OJABBA said:

 

Yeah, I thought EJM was reasonably bright, and a great dude. I liked EJM, but he wasn't a good QB.

 

I agree, he wasn't a good QB but seems like a good guy, and definitely has never spoken like an idiot off the field. He made some bad decisions on the field, but so would plenty of intelligent people trying to process the game that quickly combined with the physical skills it takes to make accurate throws.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 And honestly, Rosen's comments after the draft made me feel like we got the right Josh too.  

 

Confirmation bias. They made me think "man I wish we had that dude." Equally confirmation bias I accept but the people who thought his personality was off before will think it more the people who like his personality will be drawn even more to him. 

Edited April 27, 2018 by GunnerBill

[Fadingpain]

3 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

I'm not responding because of your response to that ridiculous post.   

 

No one is good at this.  It's predicting the future - a projection of what you hope a young person can become.  The Bills worked hard to come to a decision and they made it.  I think it's unfair to in turn criticize the pick in trying to predict the future ourselves.  I think the right mindset as a fan is to hope and leave it there.  

I wish others would read this as I've read about 10,000 posts declaring the "pros" at the Bills know what they are doing and mere fans on this board are clueless.  

 

Also, what you say is why you don't trade up.  It's a crap shoot; quantity of picks always trumps your perceived quality, b/c you have no idea what you're getting.

 

I totally supported moving up this year however, but for one of Mayfield/Rosen/Darnold.  And only those 3.

 

 

[RFL]

2 hours ago, Watkins90 said:

I don't think he'll be a bust. However, he would have been there at 12. There was no reason to move up. 

Im not so sure,  Dolphins might have takem him

[Rochesterfan]

2 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

LOL Jackson going to fall to the Patriots. 

 

 

Two shots and the Pats didn’t want him - oops.

 

 

[Joe Miner]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

No if we don't like the pick we have to shut up because the Bills don't pay us. We are supposed to suddenly change our objective opinions on a player because our tean drafted him. That to me is disingenuous and I won't do it.

 

Will I hope Allen fails? Of course I won't, I hope I have to eat an almighty bowl of crow. I hope I become known as the guy who doubted Josh Allen... but I don't believe that will happen and nobody, but nobody, has the right to tell me I should. I believe we let a guy who is going to be really good slip through our fingers tonight and in 10 years time it will be another in the catalogue of moments this organisation has had where it has taken the wrong turn. 

 

 

 

 

Please 

 

You have the right to tell others that the Bills made a mistake and try to sway their opinions with your "objective opinion" but they don't have the right to suggest you change your mind?  You've spent the entire offseason grading college players from TV and YouTube videos and presenting it as evidence for people so that your opinion will hold more weight.  You are afforded that right, but others aren't afforded the right to tell you that you are wrong or that you should think the way they do?

 

Generally you're one of the better posters here.  Relax, call it a night and don't let being disappointed turn you in to one of the bitter posters here.

 

All people don't want is an entire offseason + actual season of bitching and I told you so's.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

From ESPN:

 

Pre-Draft Analysis

Allen has elite arm strength, and his accuracy is good when his feet are set properly. He also has better-than-average accuracy when on the move. Allen is one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks to come out of college in the last five years. His ceiling is incredible, but so is his bust potential.

Post-Draft Analysis

The Bills signed former Bengals backup AJ McCarron to a two-year deal, which will buy them time to work on Allen's accuracy and ability to process coverages quickly. Allen's rare arm strength makes him a good fit for the Bills, who have hit a home run if they're able to help Allen reach his considerable potential.

[No Cease Fires]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

And honestly, Rosen's comments after the draft made me feel like we got the right Josh too.  He's a real hard guy to like...and that concerns me for a QB.

 

What comments are these that people keep referencing and never elaborating on?

[RFL]

7 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

I would be fine with that. Wish we kept one second round pick though.

Yeah that was the downside, losing the seconds

[Ol Dirty B]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

And honestly, Rosen's comments after the draft made me feel like we got the right Josh too.  He's a real hard guy to like...and that concerns me for a QB.

 

What comments are these everyone is talking about. All the comments I've seen are fine. He's pissed about being passed over and he's a competitor. It's the same **** you all loved about Mayfield, and you all probably would have loved Rosens comments if he was a bill. 

[MarlinTheMagician]

1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:

Cam Newton 2.0!

Wentz 2.0 too!  YIPPEE!  It went just right. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Just now, RocCityRoller said:

 

Brett Favre?

I'll take that as a good example but that's still close to 30 years ago. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Confirmation bias. They made me think "man I wish we had that dude." Equally confirmation bias I accept but the people who thought his personality was off before will think it more the people who like his personality will be drawn even more to him. 

 

I have no rooted interest against Rosen, would have been behind him had he been a Bill.  But honestly, his comments literally brought Ryan Leaf to mind.  I honestly wonder how Rosen will handle adversity.  I don't know how mentally strong he is.  He strikes me as a guy who likes to talk tough, but is faking it.  

 

I could be wrong, but no joke, all I saw was Ryan Leaf in his presser.  

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

I'm not responding because of your response to that ridiculous post.   

 

No one is good at this.  It's predicting the future - a projection of what you hope a young person can become.  The Bills worked hard to come to a decision and they made it.  I think it's unfair to in turn criticize the pick in trying to predict the future ourselves.  I think the right mindset as a fan is to hope and leave it there.  

 

But equally the right mindset is not to wipe everything you have thought before based on the evidence you have seen from your mind and blindly follow. I hope Allen is great. I just refuse to understand why saying "I didn't think that during the college season and I didn't think that during the draft season so I am not suddenly going to start thinking it now" gets so many people's backs up. I hope he will be great but I don't think that is the most likely outcome. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Pick Analysis

Round 1 • Pick 7 (7)

 

 

I give them a lot of credit for being patient, not going all the way up to No. 2. They got their guy. Think about the culture in that locker room. This is their kind of player. He's got crazy arm talent. This issue with him: Sometimes he throws the ball late. I think he's a project. --Mike Mayock

[Ol Dirty B]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Confirmation bias. They made me think "man I wish we had that dude." Equally confirmation bias I accept but the people who thought his personality was off before will think it more the people who like his personality will be drawn even more to him. 

 

I disagree completely, how are his comments bad but everyone love Mayfields attitude. From the flag in the middle of the field, to the crotch grabbing, to the holding the grudge against Texas for not recruiting him press conference. It's all the same thing. It's a joke.

 

I'm just happy Rosen didn't go to the Dolphins.

[xxxxxxxx]

26 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

AZ wanted Allen 1st - per Rapoport

Yeah, uh, I'm pretty sure that is not what he said 

[MPT]

2 minutes ago, No Cease Fires said:

 

What comments are these that people keep referencing and never elaborating on?

 

1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

What comments are these everyone is talking about. All the comments I've seen are fine. He's pissed about being passed over and he's a competitor. It's the same **** you all loved about Mayfield, and you all probably would have loved Rosens comments if he was a bill. 

 

There is a fake Twitter account with a fake quote from Rosen saying he's glad he didn't go to the Browns, Jets, or Bills. But again, it's fake. 

[JerseyBills]

Just now, MarlinTheMagician said:

Wentz 2.0 too!  YIPPEE!  It went just right. 

Good call.. I really think he's going to be a quality QB.  I think he was their first QB on big board. 

[Chuck Wagon]

Personally I’d rather have the QB who said “I need to prove 9 teams messed up” vs the one who spent the evening swearing he wasn’t racist. But what do I know, this franchise has never been accused of knowing what they are doing at QB. 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Joe Miner said:

 

 

Please 

 

You have the right to tell others that the Bills made a mistake and try to sway their opinions with your "objective opinion" but they don't have the right to suggest you change your mind?  You've spent the entire offseason grading college players from TV and YouTube videos and presenting it as evidence for people so that your opinion will hold more weight.  You are afforded that right, but others aren't afforded the right to tell you that you are wrong or that you should think the way they do?

 

Generally you're one of the better posters here.  Relax, call it a night and don't let being disappointed turn you in to one of the bitter posters here.

 

All people don't want is an entire offseason + actual season of bitching and I told you so's.

 

 

 

No people don't have the right to suggest I change my mind. The only person who can change my mind is Josh Allen. But he will have to do more than be drafted as a Bill to do it. 

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Confirmation bias. They made me think "man I wish we had that dude." Equally confirmation bias I accept but the people who thought his personality was off before will think it more the people who like his personality will be drawn even more to him. 

Exactly.  If you are happy the Bills took Allen, you would love Allen saying what Rosen said.

 

 

[Ol Dirty B]

Just now, MPT said:

 

 

There is a fake Twitter account with a fake quote from Rosen saying he's glad he didn't go to the Browns, Jets, or Bills. But again, it's fake. 

 

I saw that. I just wasn't sure whether people were still referencing that or the comments I just saw them play on SC where he was saying 9 teams made mistakes and he's going to make sure they know about that over the next decade.

[Joe Miner]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

No people don't have the right to suggest I change my mind. The only person who can change my mind is Josh Allen. But he will have to do more than be drafted as a Bill to do it. 

 

Yes, they do.

 

You then have the right not to listen, or to debate them, or to tell them to shut the !@#$ up.

 

In fact, I suggest you change your mind about this topic.  

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I have no rooted interest against Rosen, would have been behind him had he been a Bill.  But honestly, his comments literally brought Ryan Leaf to mind.  I honestly wonder how Rosen will handle adversity.  I don't know how mentally strong he is.  He strikes me as a guy who likes to talk tough, but is faking it.  

 

I could be wrong, but no joke, all I saw was Ryan Leaf in his presser.  

 

We will see who is right. But Rosen is gonna be really good. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

What comments are these everyone is talking about. All the comments I've seen are fine. He's pissed about being passed over and he's a competitor. It's the same **** you all loved about Mayfield, and you all probably would have loved Rosens comments if he was a bill. 

 

But its real with Baker...something about Rosen feels like fake tough guy act.  The fact he sulked and tuned out after not going in top 3 is concerning.  The fact he said that he planned on putting on a fake smile when getting his name called is a red flag.  

 

He comes across as a spoiled baby, not a fiery competitor.  Baker has the make up of Kobe Bryant, wants to kill you on the field.  The kind of fire people feed on.  Rosen's fire is all about himself.  

 

There is a big difference.  Hence...Baker #1 overall, Rosen never even considered for #1.  In fact, only Darnold, Allen, and Baker were ever linked to the Browns...Rosen was never even a real option.  He's a hard guy to like.

[Ol Dirty B]

Josh Allen sounds too happy. He went from 1 to 7 and he talks about how grateful he is and this and that instead of being pissed.

 

It's like he knows he just conned them out their money. Lol I'm half kidding there people, don't take me too serious on that take.

[26CornerBlitz]

4-26: Josh Allen Media Conference Call (13:27)

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Joe Miner said:

 

Yes, they do.

 

You then have the right not to listen, or to debate them, or to tell them to shut the !@#$ up.

 

In fact, I suggest you change your mind about this topic.  

 

No. Minds are changed in evidence. Once Josh Allen has played some games we will have some evidence. Until that point all we have is people saying "don't say negative things about him now that he is a Bill cos it might hurt his feelings." 

 

Nonsense. I am open to changing my mind on Josh Allen as I am any other football player and I am always the first to say when I got it wrong. But minds should be changed by evidence on the field not by anything else. 

[White Linen]

1 minute ago, Fadingpain said:

I wish others would read this as I've read about 10,000 posts declaring the "pros" at the Bills know what they are doing and mere fans on this board are clueless.  

 

Also, what you say is why you don't trade up.  It's a crap shoot; quantity of picks always trumps your perceived quality, b/c you have no idea what you're getting.

 

I totally supported moving up this year however, but for one of Mayfield/Rosen/Darnold.  And only those 3.

 

 

 

I just think a reasonable amount of concession has to be made from fans - that at minimum they can't have the same amount of information as a team.  It's a hunch or a gut feeling on both sides but I give the benefit of the doubt to the team because of information.  

 

For example I watch a good amount of college basketball and my wife watches none.  She could easily beat me in filling out an NCAA bracket.  However that doesn't mean she evaluates better than me, she got lucky.   It may be that she just picked the winner and got more points in the end.  

 

So of course a fan can be right and a team wrong.  It doesn't mean they're stupid or unable to do the job.  They took a shot on Allen - let's see if they got lucky.  

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

We will see who is right. But Rosen is gonna be really good. 

 

He could...I never said he wasn't.  I said he has red flags, just like all the prospects.  Baker was my guy, not Allen, but I also see a ton of potential in Allen too.  So for so many to just declare he will fail is just crazy at this point.  

[JohnC]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And I completely agree with that. As much as I understand why they did it and it made no difference to how he panned out I thought they pulled the rug too quickly on EJ. Allen will end up starting at some point this year, and probably early because McCarron isn't the guy, and he gets at the very least whatever he starts this year and the whole of 2019 before we even try and work out what we have. 

I respectfully but strenuously disagree with your view as to how EJ was treated. If you want to make the argument that EJ wasn't ready to play and was thrown to the wolves that is a reasonable argument to make. But the reality is that Marrone and his staff recognized very early on that EJ was not then good enough and would never be good enough. It wasn't what they say in the games that scared them off as much as what they say in practice that made them quickly come to the conclusion that he was never going to be a starter in this league. Marrone was a prickly character and very unlikable. While Whaley wanted to stick with the EJ experiment Marrone was adamant that he was right in his assessment in the player. Marrone quickly came to the judgment that  GM made a mistake with the selection of EJ and that it was not a correctable mistake. In my mind the dour coach was right. 

 

I also reluctantly disagree with you on when Allen will get playing time. There is too much invested in the selection of Allen to risk screwing up his development. I'm confident that he not only was one of the qbs that this regime targeted early but also that they put together a plan on how to bring him along. It's my opinion that the coaching staff is going to error on the side of being cautious before putting him on the field. KC's approach to Mahome in his rookie year is the model that I think will be followed.